Loader Updates to the DL100 loader for more lifting?

[Bolens1886]

Hi everyone, I have a 2008 GC2610 and I'm finding that I need more lift with the loader. I find myself trying to lift a pallet with about 550 lbs with a set of clamp on forks and can barely get it off the ground. Has anyone changed the cylinders and if so what did you use? From what I can tell Massey used this size to give speed of operation over lift capacity. Any thoughts?

 

[Roadworthy]

My only thought would be whether the frame of the loader itself would hold up to the added forces you plan to apply. Well, there's also the mounts and the frame of the tractor itself. Think this one over hard before undertaking it. Of course if Massey used the same frame and different cylinders for beefier loaders that would partially answer your question.

 

[cglaser104]

I've often heard that that DL100 was a better built loader than the more modern FL95 that replaced it. The problem is the DL100 is a different vendor than the more current DL95 so it's not apples to apples. That said, your capacity might be related to the valve body and/or the relieve setting for the FEL more than it's a RAM issue. It's also worth verifying that the front axle is the same casting as it is on newer GC17xx to handle the payload.

 

[jeff9366]

Massey Ferguson GC2610 - attachments
2008 - 2012
Backhoe loader tractor
Next model: Massey Ferguson GC1720
Series back: Massey Ferguson GC2410

Loader:
Loader type: Massey Ferguson DL100
Height (to pin): 73 inches [185 cm]
Dump angle: 43
Rollback angle: 23
Breakout force (lift): 950 lbs [430 kg]
Lift to full height (at pin): 678 lbs [307 kg]
Lift to full height (at 500mm): 470 lbs [213 kg]
Bucket width: 48 inches [121 cm]

I find myself trying to lift a pallet with about 550 lbs with a set of clamp on forks and can barely get it off the ground. Has anyone changed the cylinders and if so what did you use?

550 pounds on a pallet extending well past the Loader pins, plus 125 pounds for clamp on forks extending well past the bucket, puts you at rated Loader lift capacity with load just off the ground.

Any lift above a few inches will put you and tractor at hazard of a rollover. You have no margin for error.

Remove 150 pounds from the pallet if you need to lift pallet a LITTLE higher. You may gain 2" of lift height by inflating front tires to max recommended pressure.



Five reasons owner/operators trade up from Subcompact Tractors:
More tractor weight.
More FEL lift capacity.
More ground clearance.
Three-range (3) HST (Lower LOW, Higher, HIGH) ~~ rather than two-range (2) HST.
Larger wheels and tires yield more tractive power pulling ground contact implements and logs, pushing a loader bucket into dirt and pushing snow. Larger wheels and tires permit heavier tractors to bridge holes, ruts and tree debris with less operator perturbation.

 

[ovrszd]

As Jeff points out, the distance forward is what's killing you. Biggest downfall of clamp on forks.

I'd never suggest a change in cylinder size on an FEL.

A pressure check of the relief valve might be in order. Again, I'd be very reluctant to start turning it up. It's there for a reason.

 

[Bolens1886]

Thanks for all the good input. I questioned this as my previous 1971 Bolens 1886 with the Johnson loader handled moving the pallets and it was much less of a loader and frame. The cylinders were about 50% larger in diameter compared to the Massey. I admit it would lift it about a foot off the ground which was enough to traverse the terrain. The forks are tubular and only weigh about 30 lbs each.

 

[jeff9366]

Kubota B2650 - attachments

2013 - B50 Series
Compact Utility tractor
Previous model: Kubota B2630

Loader type: Kubota LA534A
Height (to pin): 84.6 inches [214 cm]
Clearance, dumped bucket: 67.4 inches [171 cm]
Dump angle: 38.1
Rollback angle: 28.6
Breakout force (at pin): 2321 lbs [1052 kg]
Breakout force (at 500mm): 1691 lbs [767 kg]
Lift to full height (at pin): 1146 lbs [519 kg]
Lift to full height (at 500mm): 827 lbs [375 kg]



Kubota B-series compact tractors are one increment heavier/larger than Kubota BX subcompact tractors.

VIDEO: YouTube

 

[MF RED in MT]

Hi everyone, I have a 2008 GC2610 and I'm finding that I need more lift with the loader. I find myself trying to lift a pallet with about 550 lbs with a set of clamp on forks and can barely get it off the ground. Has anyone changed the cylinders and if so what did you use? From what I can tell Massey used this size to give speed of operation over lift capacity. Any thoughts?

You possibly could have the loaded pallet (loaded upper pallet slightly offset towards the tractor overhanding slightly from the empty pallet) sitting on top of an empty pallet, and then insert your forks all the way into the upper pallet with the load, and then raise your forks up to contact the pallet, then tip your forks back to create space from the empty pallet? This should give you enough ground clearance to move the load? Unknown what product you are trying to lift, possibly you could shift some of the weight towards the bucket while it's still on the loaded pallet?

I have done a similar process with a couple of 8" log rounds laying on their side under my bucket platform extension I built to load up with firewood rounds and move into my woodshed.

Good luck finding a solution, KC

 

[eagle5473]

Can you use 3 point fork instead?

 

[Bolens1886]

Jeff you make good points an a larger unit, but I choose this size for many reasons. One thing I do as a side line is install solar arrays. Thus the weigh of the machine is critical as to not chew up lawns and be light enough to drive over septic fields. So as KC asked what I'm moving around, the solar panels that I have been using come 10 to a pallet they of course are glass and metal frame. Each one weighs about 47 lbs, thus with the pallet and cardboard packing as they are packaged on edge that makes them about 550 lbs. The pallet is 4 ft by 6 ft, I come in on the 6 ft side so that I only have 4 ft hanging off the front. So when I'm putting in a ground mount system I need to often go over some dips and valleys to get the panels to the site. Most of the time it isn't too bad doing roof mount systems as the ground is pretty level. To reduce the number of panels to be moved at one time is not very safe for the panel, from experience I tried it and had to wait to finish the install for new panels to arrive..not to mention eat the cost.

 

[jeff9366]

When I'm putting in a ground mount system I need to go over dips and valleys to get the panels to the site. Most of the time it isn't too bad doing roof mount systems as the ground is pretty level.

Additional ground clearance due to larger wheels and tires will make your transportation more secure and easier. Larger tires will bridge ruts, burrows, holes and construction debris that subcompact tires fall into or disrupt crossing.

To reduce the number of panels to be moved at one time is not very safe for the panel, from experience I tried it and had to wait to finish the install for new panels to arrive..not to mention eat the cost.

If you get SSQA pallet forks with B2650, which has a frame protecting the operator, then run a 3" wide, tension-adjustable ratchet strap around the solar panels and the frame, your panel load will go nowhere.

VENDER: Small Compact Tractor and Mini Skid Steer Pallet Forks



Massey Ferguson GC2610
2008 - 2012
Backhoe loader tractor
Dimensions:
Weight (shipping): 2,670 lbs [1211 kg] <-------((Probably includes Backhoe + Loader.))
Wheelbase: 57.1 inches [145 cm]
Length: 177 inches [449 cm] <--------((Probably includes Backhoe + Loader.))
Width: 53.9 inches [136 cm]
Height (ROPS): 86 inches [218 cm]
Ground clearance: 6.7 inches [17 cm]


Kubota B2650
Compact Utility tractor
Dimensions:
Weight: 1786 lbs [810 kg] <------[without Loader.]
((Will require 3-pt Counterbalance of 450 pounds ~or~ loaded tires + wheel weights.))

Wheelbase: 65.6 inches [166 cm]
Length: 101.2 inches [257 cm]
Width: 53.7 inches [136 cm]
Height (ROPS): 88.4 inches [224 cm]
Ground clearance: 14.6 inches [37 cm]





Five reasons owner/operators trade up from Subcompact Tractors:
More tractor weight.
More FEL lift capacity.
More ground clearance.
Three-range (3) HST (Lower LOW, Higher, HIGH) ~~ rather than two-range (2) HST.
Larger wheels and tires and longer wheelbase enhance mobility.

 

[MF RED in MT]

Jeff you make good points an a larger unit, but I choose this size for many reasons. One thing I do as a side line is install solar arrays. Thus the weigh of the machine is critical as to not chew up lawns and be light enough to drive over septic fields. So as KC asked what I'm moving around, the solar panels that I have been using come 10 to a pallet they of course are glass and metal frame. Each one weighs about 47 lbs, thus with the pallet and cardboard packing as they are packaged on edge that makes them about 550 lbs. The pallet is 4 ft by 6 ft, I come in on the 6 ft side so that I only have 4 ft hanging off the front. So when I'm putting in a ground mount system I need to often go over some dips and valleys to get the panels to the site. Most of the time it isn't too bad doing roof mount systems as the ground is pretty level. To reduce the number of panels to be moved at one time is not very safe for the panel, from experience I tried it and had to wait to finish the install for new panels to arrive..not to mention eat the cost.

I agree with jeff9366, a SSQA system with a dedicated set of forks with a vertical frame might be the way for you to go?

That would put your loaded pallet about 18" closer to the tractor and maybe increase your lifting weight enough for your process.

Something like this: UA 36” Pallet Fork Frame Attachment with Headache Rack and Hitch | Made in USA

KC

 

[murphy1244]

Additional ground clearance due to larger wheels and tires will make your transportation more secure and easier. Larger tires will bridge ruts, burrows, holes and construction debris that subcompact tires fall into or disrupt passing over.


If you get SSQA pallet forks, which have a frame protecting the operator, then run a 3" wide, tension-adjustable ratchet strap around the solar panels and the frame, your panel load will go nowhere.

VENDER: Small Compact Tractor and Mini Skid Steer Pallet Forks



Massey Ferguson GC2610
2008 - 2012
Backhoe loader tractor
Dimensions:
Weight (shipping): 2,670 lbs [1211 kg] ((Probably includes Backhoe.))
Wheelbase: 57.1 inches [145 cm]
Length: 177 inches [449 cm] ((Probably includes Backhoe.))
Width: 53.9 inches [136 cm]
Height (ROPS): 86 inches [218 cm]
Ground clearance: 6.7 inches [17 cm]


Kubota B2650
Compact Utility tractor
Dimensions:
Weight: 1786 lbs [810 kg] (ROPS)
((Will require 3-pt Counterbalance of 450 pounds ~or~ loaded tires + wheel weights.))

Wheelbase: 65.6 inches [166 cm]
Length: 101.2 inches [257 cm]
Width: 53.7 inches [136 cm]
Height (ROPS): 88.4 inches [224 cm]
Ground clearance: 14.6 inches [37 cm]





Five reasons owner/operators trade up from Subcompact Tractors:
More tractor weight.
More FEL lift capacity.
More ground clearance.
Three-range (3) HST (Lower LOW, Higher, HIGH) ~~ rather than two-range (2) HST.
Larger wheels and tires and longer wheelbase enhance mobility.

Very good reply Jeff!

 

[not2old]

I too would like a little more capacity to my DL100 loader. I don't yet have my forks finished but dismissed SSQA due to the weight of the adapter. Moving the pallet closer to the pivot point will increase the carrying capacity but will cost about 80 lbs. due to the weight of the adapter which I thought made it not worth the effort. My home made adapter weighs about 10 lbs. It works well with my home made snow bucket (6 ft. wide) but I haven't gotten around to making the forks yet.

 

[cdaigle430]

I too would like a little more capacity to my DL100 loader. I don't yet have my forks finished but dismissed SSQA due to the weight of the adapter. Moving the pallet closer to the pivot point will increase the carrying capacity but will cost about 80 lbs. due to the weight of the adapter which I thought made it not worth the effort. My home made adapter weighs about 10 lbs. It works well with my home made snow bucket (6 ft. wide) but I haven't gotten around to making the forks yet.

I have a similar challenge and I am looking to switch from using the loader (DL100) to the 3PH. More stability and and more lift capacity and safety

Something like this but maybe a bit cheaper I hope-


Somone on here that owns a Kubota BX23 took some old forklift parts and made their own 3ph forklift-had a picture of the BX23 lifting a full size pickup truck.

TX79 3-Point Forklift by CM • Tractor Tools Direct

 

[MF RED in MT]

I have a similar challenge and I am looking to switch from using the loader (DL100) to the 3PH. More stability and and more lift capacity and safety

Something like this but maybe a bit cheaper I hope-


Somone on here that owns a Kubota BX23 took some old forklift parts and made their own 3ph forklift-had a picture of the BX23 lifting a full size pickup truck.

TX79 3-Point Forklift by CM Tractor Tools Direct

$$$$, OUCH...

With the 3 point lift they recommend the TX63 for subcompacts $2999, only, which weighs 273 lbs., and lift of 1103 lbs., total high of lift is 63".

I have been looking at the "TACH-N-GO" quick attach bracket for the FEL, bracket weighs 75 lbs., and the quick attach forks weigh 110 lbs. versus my MF bucket weighing 177 lbs.

It seems like price for these 2 items including shipping would be just shy of $2000.

The plus is when using the quick attach forks, a pallet is lifted closer to the tractor about the width of the bucket.

The drawback I see is when I would remove the forks and reconnect my bucket, there is an added weight of 75 lbs.

Our small tractors still have much lower lifting limits versus larger tractors and that will not change.

Hope this adds an option for someone and does not confuse this issue,

KC

TACH-N-GO TACH-N-GO QUICK ATTACH