Using off-road diesel on road

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Just to complicate matters. In some states you can get a Fuel Tax Refund if you used taxed fuel in an off road use.
 
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I see that a post was deleted. I was a bit horrified when I got an Admin message about not having access as I was replying that the post did not seem appropriate. Good job mods. That was fast.
 
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dirtworksequip said:
Just to complicate matters. In some states you can get a Fuel Tax Refund if you used taxed fuel in an off road use.
Actually I don't think this complicates anything at all.

The laws are pretty clear on what off-road fuel is to be used for. The laws are also pretty clear that farmers can use on-road fuel in their tractors and get a tax credit back for the fuel used in off road applications. No biggie.

BBinTX said:
How would any country, free or not, exist without taxation. I am certainly not fond of big government, but this or any other country cannot exist without the infrastructure supported by taxes. That infrastructure is not free.
Exactly. I don't want to pay taxes, I don't even particularly like government, especially big government. But there is a need for it. It would be great if the politicians wouldn't abuse OUR money that we pay in taxes. But none of that gives anyone the right to steal, cheat or lie about their tax obligations.

It seems like some folks here think that it is ok to be a thief as long as you steal from the government. Sorry folks, but WE are the government. Stealing from the government is no differnet than stealing from your neighbors.

firemanpat2910 said:
I confess I have run red dyed fuel on the interstates, But it was bought from an onroad pump and all taxes were paid. Right after hurricane. . .
I'd suggest that all sorts of laws were relaxed right after the hurricanes last year, I think were probably legal without even realizing it.
 
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Bedlam said:
Just a clarification.the red dyed fuel is off road? I have purchased it at the pumps that the trucks use, and its red.
Thanks
Al

Are you sure you did not buy fuel at the reefer pump??? Refer fuel is not taxed as far as I know.
 
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rback33 said:
... as I was replying that the post did not seem appropriate. Good job mods. That was fast.
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Jerry:

I've been retired for nearly eight years and things change, so I'm speculating on this, but if a vehicle carries a highway registration and is driven on a road, then they are required to use tax paid fuel. A farm tractor, on the other hand when being driven down the road is still considered an off road vehicle and is exempt from the tax. Authorities know that farm tractors don't drive on the road very far or very often and administring that isses would be impossible..

I believe that the refrigerator compressor engines on refrigerated trailers on over the road rigs must also use tax paid diesel. I know the truckers out there can correct me if I'm wrong on this.

Regarding the armed robbery comments, like it or not, taxes are the dues we pay to live in this great country, just like service in the military for many of us is part of those dues. A free country doesn't mean freedom doesn't have a price. People that don't like the cost of living here and our taxes should see what most of the rest of the world is like. I've been in 15 or 20 countries and a half dozen protectorates on four continents and all 50 states and I think I know of what I speak. This country and it's tax system may not be perfect, but it's the closest thing in the world to perfection. Some other "free" countries may be able to brag about lower taxes, but I'd wager they don't have a military worth spit to protect them. We kick a*s and take names on their behalf.

I'm not saying I like all the programs the government spends money on or that taxes couldn't and shouldn't be lower. There is fraud, waste and abuse, but it's still a lot lower than in many other countries

US tax collection and administration costs, by the way, are among the LOWEST IN THE WORLD. Last I heard it was around 4 - 6 % vs Britian at 10 - 12% and on up for other countries.

I'll get off my soap box now
 
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Live and let live is a simple thing to say. Would it be popular to say live and let live if other laws were purposedly violated, murder, rape, robbery, and so on. If these are BAD and not in the live and let live category then where does purposely breaking the law become OK? At what level of crime?

Why is it OK to steal in the form of tax evasion? It isn't like the Government is infinitely wealthy and some theoretical entity that isn't harmed by thieves. The Government is us! It is not a victimless crime. All honest tax paying citizens are victims.

I'm reminded of the story about a conversation between a want to be customer of a lady of the evening and a girl at a bar. He enquires about her sleeping with him for a million bucks and she says sure. He says, OK how about for $5. She says, hey what do you take me for, a prostitute? He says we established that fact with the answer to my first question and now we are just haggling over the price!

Are we just haggling over price? Is stealing from all of us just a little bit somehow OK but stealing a lot from just one of us is not? How is tax evasionk more moral than counterfitting money or stamps? Tax evasion is the crime that put Al Capone away. Shoulid he not have been prosecuted?

Are we devolving into a society embued with situational morality and no intrinsic values? Aren't laws intended to apply to everyone all the time unless there are extenuating circumstances, that can be brought out by the legal process? We the people ARE the legal process! I think we are way too far toward the persuasion that it is us against the Government and the police and any thing that any of us can do and get away with is a victory somehow for the common man. That is a slipery slope that we should avoid testing as it is a decivilizing force.

If you don't agree, then what is it that makes us happy to drive in a formation of cars, all traveling at 20-25 MPH above the speed limit as if permission to do so were in the bill of rights and cry like a wounded baby if ticketed?

Why would so many of us here, aparently, ignore if not condone blatant repetitive tax evasion? Well I gotta go. I gotta get to the church and steal some $ from the poor box to help wilth Christmas shopping, after all, stores are getting so uppity about shoplifting I have to actually buy some of the things I get. Then later I'll take my truck and tractor to the county gravel pile and "borrow" some gravel. Then I have to go to the corner hydrant and run a few acre feet of water into one of my ponds. Since all this stuff is not really owed by a single person it makes it OK or at least as OK as cheating on road taxes which apparrently is not such a big deal since it does not directly impact CHILDREN.

Contrary to popular comments, we don't all cheat on our taxes or even get all we are entitled to so as to not get too close to the hassle of a fracas with the IRS. I have a friend who was audited 5 years straight and got a larger refund evey time. I think they were vindictive, he was inconvenienced, and the people had their tax $ wasted trying to squeeze money and having to pay out even more.

I'm not sure about revenuers skulking around parking lots testing fuel tanks. I have a locked tank and concealed carry. It would be an interesting series of events if I caught someone fussing with my fuel cap.

Pat
 
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kevinj said:
Are you sure you did not buy fuel at the reefer pump??? Refer fuel is not taxed as far as I know.

Now I have never puller a reefer, but going back to my truck driving days the reefer pump seemed to pour out the same diesel as the other pumps and always looked to me like it was on the same fuel bill as the rest. In fact I never remember seeing a meter on some of the pumps which leads me to believe it was metered through the main pump.

As far as political debate, lets leave it outta here. I have my own views and I have seen several that don't agree with mine. I respect that and would love to discuss it elsewhere, but this is not the place to bring it. I am just thankful to have the right to agree to disagree.:D
 
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patrick_g, you spoiled my fun.

I was going to post my version of the same thing, but you did it better.

A tip of the hat to you.
 
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patrick_g:

Not to worry, those skulking dyed diesel fuel inspectors wear uniforms. Looks like you got on my soap box when I got off. Nice reply.
 
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