vinyl siding for a pole building

rambler · Dec 9, 2004

Re: vinyl siding for a pole building

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- OSB ran horizontally, with the only support initially being the posts.
- Before vinyl installation, place 2x6 framing inside, except rather than how you did, run it like a stick-built wall, vertically.
- accomodate windows in the 2x6 framing and then cut OSB to coincide.
- vinyl side last
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I think that would be an extermely flexable, weak side-wall. What will you be anchoring the vertical studs too? Will you be putting something across the top & bottom at least?

Wind load would rip it to shreds around 'here' without any horizontal beams.

As to the last question above mine - same thing, pole buildings are designed with strong vertical columns, and you need to cross-brace with some sort of stiffeners horizontally. It is just a fact of building, if you choose pole building, you need to stiffen horizontally.

--->Paul

LBrown59 · Dec 9, 2004

Re: vinyl siding for a pole building

2. Install 3/4" vertical battens (1 x 2) over the exterior side of the OSB at say 16" on center and at the perimeter of the wall.

***This will create a void behind the siding and make it more prone to impact damage.
Chris
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2. Nail on the 1x twos by nailing through them and the osb and into the 2x4 purloins. Don't nail between the purloins or you might create the problem you're trying to prevent - I.E. the protruding nails.
***That's why you need vinyl siding that has its own backing (I.E., BACKER BOARD) for this type installation.
Vinyl siding that has its own backing can be nailed directly to studs without installing any OSB or other sheathing.

Years ago when mobile homes first came out with vinyl siding the siding had it's own backing.
It's been my experience over the last 31 years that this industry is frequently light years ahead of the conventional building industry.

LBrown59 · Dec 9, 2004

Re: vinyl siding for a pole building

( Beautiful job Mike. Now some more questions. Would you see any problems with:
- 4 x 6 poles placed 8' on center
- no perlins
- OSB ran horizontally, with the only support initially being the posts.
- Before vinyl installation, place 2x6 framing inside, except rather than how you did, run it like a stick-built wall, vertically.
- accomodate windows in the 2x6 framing and then cut OSB to coincide.
- vinyl side last

I realize the siding installation over the OSB installed in this manner may leave a less than flat wall since the posts become the joining points and nothing really spans them except for the siding. However, there is some siding nowadays that has a fiberglass rod directly adjacent to the nailing flange so something like that, coupled with loose nailing, might result in a fairly flat wall. What do you think? )

Beautiful job Mike. Now some more questions. Would you see any problems with:
1* 4 x 6 poles placed 8' on center
2*- no perlins
3*- OSB ran horizontally, with the only support initially being the posts.
4*- Before vinyl installation, place 2x6 framing inside, except rather than how you did, run it like a stick-built wall, vertically.
djradz
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1*That' how I did mine.
2*Wouldn't recommend that cause an 8 foot span of the OSB is 2 flexible and it would weaken the strength of the buildings framing..
3*I ran the osb horizontally on my building so as to match it up with the purloins.
8 feet is two long a span for the OSB That's why the purloins are a must to strengthen the buildings frame and to stiffen up the osb.
4*This wouldn't do anything except proved a place for the 2x6 to hang on to so it can swing back and forth on the OSB as the sheathing moves in and out.
Why use a 2*6 when all you are trying to do is hide or cover the nails piercing through the osb.
A 2 3 or 4 inch I inch thick board or a 2*2 or 2x4 is more than adequate to hide and cover the nails.
My land the nails for the Vinyl Siding aren't any where near 6 inches long.

srs · Dec 10, 2004

Re: vinyl siding for a pole building

you need to cross-brace with some sort of stiffeners horizontally. It is just a fact of building, if you choose pole building, you need to stiffen horizontally.

Paul, I thought that when framing the interior of a pole building (between posts) one would stick build a wall with vertical studs having both a top and bottom plate. Same as you would build a wall for a home. Insulation, wiring, etc. could then be placed between the studs. The OSB would be attached to this interior frame and that would "stiffen" the wall properly. So what I am suggesting apparently is completely wrong, yes?? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

johnday · Dec 10, 2004

Re: vinyl siding for a pole building

srs; No, not completely. It's possible to do as you say. But, the OSB nailed to the girts and and skirt board on the exterior are used for what is called wind bracing. In place of OSB when using metal siding you should run "diagonal" bracing at each corner. This will keep the building from racking. You should also run "diagonal" bracing on the top of the bottom chord on your trusses also. You can't believe how this strengthens a building. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

rambler · Dec 10, 2004

Re: vinyl siding for a pole building

( you need to cross-brace with some sort of stiffeners horizontally. It is just a fact of building, if you choose pole building, you need to stiffen horizontally.

Paul, I thought that when framing the interior of a pole building (between posts) one would stick build a wall with vertical studs having both a top and bottom plate. Same as you would build a wall for a home. Insulation, wiring, etc. could then be placed between the studs. The OSB would be attached to this interior frame and that would "stiffen" the wall properly. So what I am suggesting apparently is completely wrong, yes?? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif )

Around here one runs the sticks horizontally. And screws metal to the inside wall. For insurance, fire code, and so on there is little use for OSB in a pole building. They make huge sheets of fiberglass insulation, you hang from the top, it is 8-9 feet wide. Slap on the perloins inside the poles lightly clamping the insulation, screw your tin to the purloins, and good to go. I'm just not familiar with OSB being used in a pole building at all really, trying to grasp how & why anyone would?

Angle straps on the corners will stiffen it if you need that on your particular design.

--->Paul

LBrown59 · Dec 10, 2004

Re: vinyl siding for a pole building

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I think I figured out a way to nail the vinyl siding to a pole building without any nails sticking out.
1*Run the osb horizontally and nail it to the Purloins using nails that aren't long enough go clear thought the OSB and the purloins
2*From the inside place either a 2x2 or a 2x4 vertically between each of the purloins from the top to the bottom of the wall. Do this every 24' on center from one end of the wall to the other.
3**Next mark the 24'' centers on the outside of the OSB.
4*Now nail the siding on at the marked 24 inch centers again bring sure the nails are shorter than the combined thickness of the osb and the 2 bys.
The nails used to attach the osb to the purloins should work for this as well.

Some side notes
You could go 16 inch centers rather than 24' centers.

The vertical 2 bys don't have to be permanently attached to the purloins as the siding nails will permanently attach them to the OSB.
Just toe nail them into the purloins on each end leaving the nail heads out far enough so that you can easily pull them after the siding is installed.
Another take on this would be to use a 2x4 notched out from top to bottom for the purloins then nail it through the notches into the purloins.
Again place these 24 or 16 inches on center your option.

The purpose of the 2 bys is to serve as covers or caps over the nail points not as part of the structural framing of the building. That has been taken care of by the post and the purloins.

Wish I would have done something like this on my building.
It's already built with all those hundreds of nails sticking out. Now I have to deal with the problem of how to fix the mess.

I can see it's a lot easier and better to prevent the problem that it is to fix it.

srs · Dec 11, 2004

Re: vinyl siding for a pole building

( But, the OSB nailed to the girts and and skirt board on the exterior are used for what is called wind bracing.
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I'm just not familiar with OSB being used in a pole building at all really, trying to grasp how & why anyone would?

Johnday and rambler, perhaps I didn't clarify my question better. I questioned PineRidge's use of horizontal studding in his "attached" photo dated 12-5-04. I realize now that he will use metal siding for the INTERIOR of his building. In Maryland pole barns are constructed with the typical exterior metal installed over horizontal 2 X 4's. The INTERIOR is finished two ways; one with a large roll of insulation, vapor barrier, horizontal 2 X 4's, then either metal or OSB plywood. Another way that the INTERIOR is finished is to install a vertical stud wall between the posts. 16" insulation is placed in the cavities, then drywall or OSB or whatever completes the INTERIOR. The reason for the OSB or plywood, etc. is that you can use screws to attach tools, etc, whatever, directly to the OSB. What threw me with PineRidge's photo (in my little cavity called a brain /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif) was why would anyone put the studding horizontal and not vertical, it never occurred to me that he would be using metal on the inside. My error. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

johnday · Dec 11, 2004

Re: vinyl siding for a pole building

srs; Mike's [pineridge] barn photo appears to be before he finished the interior. I thought he said he was going to or did line the interior with OSB.

With vinyl you need something to attache it to on the exterior, studs on opposite side of OSB is the preferred way, the roofing nails won't pull out as easily from solid wood.

The way you guys build pole barns in Maryland is the way we build them here too. With a little fore thought like Mike did, you can finish the inside easier. But the method you describe would work also. Whatever one you wish to do would be fine, one is just a little more $ than the other. I think my question would be, why would you want to put metal on the inside? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

srs · Dec 11, 2004

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( I think my question would be, why would you want to put metal on the inside? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif )

I personally would not put metal on the inside. Morton Buildings, however use it all the time. They suggest using a perforated metal to reduce the echo. I guess it is ones own choice. A few areas where metal might be better would be if you had a small welding or wash down area. Thanks.