Sully2
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Soundguy: Glad that someone see's the point I attempted to make!!!
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Sully2
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kenmac said:
No you dont! You FLAT DONT GET IT!!! And I never said any such thing!
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Look out Sully, sit down, I think I sort of agree with you. 
In applications where I likely will push an engine extremely hard or where it is possible to run an engine relatively hot, I will opt for the top of the line full synthetic PAO based oil. For example, in a 572ci 740 hp big block I have in a show/race car, I use the absolute best synthetic racing oil money can buy. When I was mowing commercially I used high quality full synthetic in my ZTR mowers because it was very possible to get the intake screen on the radiator full of crap and have the engine get hot without even knowing it was happening. In those cases I use top quality oil.
In most of my vehicles I just use an oil that meets or exceeds the mfg requirements and I keep the oil changed before required. I actually have a little log book in every vehicle I own that I log every bit of maintenance done to the vehicle. I always know exactly when my oil was changed, what was used for both the oil and filter, when tires were rotated, when air filters, fuel filters, etc. were changed. I just don't see the need to spend the extra money for more expensive oil in those instances.
In applications where I likely will push an engine extremely hard or where it is possible to run an engine relatively hot, I will opt for the top of the line full synthetic PAO based oil. For example, in a 572ci 740 hp big block I have in a show/race car, I use the absolute best synthetic racing oil money can buy. When I was mowing commercially I used high quality full synthetic in my ZTR mowers because it was very possible to get the intake screen on the radiator full of crap and have the engine get hot without even knowing it was happening. In those cases I use top quality oil.
In most of my vehicles I just use an oil that meets or exceeds the mfg requirements and I keep the oil changed before required. I actually have a little log book in every vehicle I own that I log every bit of maintenance done to the vehicle. I always know exactly when my oil was changed, what was used for both the oil and filter, when tires were rotated, when air filters, fuel filters, etc. were changed. I just don't see the need to spend the extra money for more expensive oil in those instances.
Sully2
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Dargo said:Look out Sully, sit down, I think I sort of agree with you.
In applications where I likely will push an engine extremely hard or where it is possible to run an engine relatively hot, I will opt for the top of the line full synthetic PAO based oil. For example, in a 572ci 740 hp big block I have in a show/race car, I use the absolute best synthetic racing oil money can buy. When I was mowing commercially I used high quality full synthetic in my ZTR mowers because it was very possible to get the intake screen on the radiator full of crap and have the engine get hot without even knowing it was happening. In those cases I use top quality oil.
In most of my vehicles I just use an oil that meets or exceeds the mfg requirements and I keep the oil changed before required. I actually have a little log book in every vehicle I own that I log every bit of maintenance done to the vehicle. I always know exactly when my oil was changed, what was used for both the oil and filter, when tires were rotated, when air filters, fuel filters, etc. were changed. I just don't see the need to spend the extra money for more expensive oil in those instances.
Well..what I miserable tried to state to the other "gentleman" was kinda like this in an analogy...
You have product #1; #2 and #3. Product #1 is the MOST EXPENSIVE you can buy...yet #2 is the BEST of that product and #3 is the worst. #2 will always cost more than #3..always.
So just because you PAY the most for a product DOESNT MEAN you are buying the very best of that product
So..thusly...price alone doesnt mean you are buying the "best".
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I've been tossing around the idea of buying an Ingersoll Rand 2 stage air compressor. I just happen to notice that if you use synthetic compressor oil the warranty goes from 12 months to 24.
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I've TRIED to respond to this thread since it was way back there in the mid 50's post count. Every time I started to, I couldn't get the tears of laughter out of my eyes long enough to see the dang keyboard. Some of this is downright hilarious.
Cost means NOTHING. Cost USUALLY relates more directly to hype. The more a manufacturer can hype their product, the higher they can price it and still SELL it. Quality has no direct relationship to hype. Manufacturers of both high AND low quality items can (and do) hype their products. Therefor, cost has little, if any, direct relationship with quality.
That said, NORMALLY, a high(er) quality product USUALLY will command a higher market price. That doesn't mean the BETTER product ALWAYS has a higher price, nor does it mean the LOWER priced product is always inferior.
In some (No one can honestly say MOST/ALL) cases, products can be "generic" from brand to brand. MAYBE the did come down the same assembly line, maybe not. But the company that prints their name on the label ISN'T the same from brand to brand. There is where the "rubber meets the road" as the old tire commercial put it.
It's all about ON THE JOB PERFORMANCE.
I personally like products from companies that have a reputation of standing behind their products when something goes wrong. I like products that have a reputation for not frequently being involved in situations where things go wrong. Considering most all my trucks and tractors are income producers, the initial purchase price of an oil is only a small consideration. If I find a lower priced product that performs adaquately , why spend big dollars. (Remember, adaquately DOES NOT mean "just barely good enough". I'm talking about "up to my expectations") If I find an expensive product that doesn't produce any advantages other than a flashy package and a trendy name, why bother. When I find a product that performs up to expectations, is priced competitively, and has no bad marks against it's manufacturer, I tend to look upon it with favor.
Where does that take me regarding oil? I've got a wholesale source for Pennzoil products, and a NAPA dealer that I buy from. Either sell me quality that I have always been able to depend on, a reputation for standing behind their products in the rare instance where problems do arise, and pricing that is with-in a few percent of most any brand, regardless of name/source. It's up to me to be educated on what particular type/rating of oil with-in those brands I need for an individual application. My needs and my purchasing habits have no direct bearing on those of any other person. What works for me may or may not work for you. Why try to impose my opinion on someone else.
I find the logic that more expensive is always better and cheap is always inferior absolutely ridiculous. By the same token, I can't see using a product just because it's the cheapest available. You DON'T always "get what you pay for". Sometimes you get MORE, sometimes you get LESS.
Some of this is downright hilarious. Cost means NOTHING. Cost USUALLY relates more directly to hype. The more a manufacturer can hype their product, the higher they can price it and still SELL it. Quality has no direct relationship to hype. Manufacturers of both high AND low quality items can (and do) hype their products. Therefor, cost has little, if any, direct relationship with quality.
That said, NORMALLY, a high(er) quality product USUALLY will command a higher market price. That doesn't mean the BETTER product ALWAYS has a higher price, nor does it mean the LOWER priced product is always inferior.
In some (No one can honestly say MOST/ALL) cases, products can be "generic" from brand to brand. MAYBE the did come down the same assembly line, maybe not. But the company that prints their name on the label ISN'T the same from brand to brand. There is where the "rubber meets the road" as the old tire commercial put it.
It's all about ON THE JOB PERFORMANCE.
I personally like products from companies that have a reputation of standing behind their products when something goes wrong. I like products that have a reputation for not frequently being involved in situations where things go wrong. Considering most all my trucks and tractors are income producers, the initial purchase price of an oil is only a small consideration. If I find a lower priced product that performs adaquately , why spend big dollars. (Remember, adaquately DOES NOT mean "just barely good enough". I'm talking about "up to my expectations") If I find an expensive product that doesn't produce any advantages other than a flashy package and a trendy name, why bother. When I find a product that performs up to expectations, is priced competitively, and has no bad marks against it's manufacturer, I tend to look upon it with favor.
Where does that take me regarding oil? I've got a wholesale source for Pennzoil products, and a NAPA dealer that I buy from. Either sell me quality that I have always been able to depend on, a reputation for standing behind their products in the rare instance where problems do arise, and pricing that is with-in a few percent of most any brand, regardless of name/source. It's up to me to be educated on what particular type/rating of oil with-in those brands I need for an individual application. My needs and my purchasing habits have no direct bearing on those of any other person. What works for me may or may not work for you. Why try to impose my opinion on someone else.
I find the logic that more expensive is always better and cheap is always inferior absolutely ridiculous. By the same token, I can't see using a product just because it's the cheapest available. You DON'T always "get what you pay for". Sometimes you get MORE, sometimes you get LESS.
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Sully2
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Why is it I coudnt have said it that way???............
............DK35vince
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In a roundabout way I thought you did.Sully2 said:Why is it I coudnt have said it that way???
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Soundguy said:
Sisco may be selling the fine dining restaurant 100 % angus beef while, they are selling the bowling alley 100 % soy burger
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kenmac said:
I walk thru that kitchen to get to my gig 4 times per week some weeks.. And while I'm aware that sysco does have different grades of beef patties ( I walk thru lots of kitchens to get to my venues.... it's a musician thing... no one lets us use the front door.. equipment load in for some reason is always thru the kitchen ).. this example I am citing just happens to buy a single grade. They cook that same type of patty for all 3 locations. I found this out quite by accident when ordering food one night... the cook told me to step over tot he bowing alley ( from the bar ), and placemy burger order.. not only would it be cheaper.. but it was the same food... go figure...
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