WELL DONE!!! FER ALL TBNER'S AND BETWEEN GATOR BOY

polecat · May 24, 2004

Re: WELL DONE!!! FER ALL TBNER\'S AND BETWEEN GATOR BOY

great job gman!!!! yip it was chilly up here ...bout 55..and if u look close you'll see my bug net on too!!! i hate black flies....i hope u guys like that pic and in depth partls list gatorman put up 4 me!!!1 sometimes i feel so inept at this p.c stuff but am gittin there /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
That pic is the best diagram i could find and basic description of a submersible well i could find!!! and if u look at the pump curve on gmans pump you'll see that it'll actually pump to 800' and still git 5gpms...one of the things we have't discussed is the static level(least i think we haven't /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif)
any wya the static level is where the water level remains static or while pumping where it will stay even though the well is being drawn down by the pump....his well was supposed to produce 17 gpms and for every foot ( i think he has a 6" well casing) of 6' pipe there is 1.5 gal's per foot so if hesets his pump at 100' then there is (22' water level) 78' x 1.5 gal's =117 gallons of water left in reserve before the pumps the well dry down to that level!!!!!! a very important factor!!!! the well company said that he got 17 gpms in the well and i'll bet that that measurement was taken at !!!THE BOTTOM OF THE WELL!!! see the problem....if the first 1/2 of the well is not where the real source of the water is coming from then by by $700 pump!!! all for the cost of maybe $80-100 for puttin the extra 80' of wire and pipe as well as one male to male brass junction (pipe to pipe) and 4 hose clamps ...see the irony?? /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif will post this for now and edit in a bit
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Gatorboy · May 24, 2004

Re: WELL DONE!!! FER ALL TBNER\'S AND BETWEEN GATOR BOY

( and i'll bet that that measurement was taken at !!!THE BOTTOM OF THE WELL!!! )

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe they run a pump in the well and find the point (gpm) which the water level does not go down. Hence they pumped at 17 gpm and the water level remained at 22 feet below the ground.

polecat · May 24, 2004

Re: WELL DONE!!! FER ALL TBNER\'S AND BETWEEN GATOR BOY

Nope ..the 22' level is where the current water level is and it will fluctuate from year to year as well as it's never been used and am not sure when the well was drilled but future use by you and use of the aquifer by neighbors ...surrounding areas can make a well level drop dramatically..That's why i concur with Gary's advice on spending the extra few $$'s and put it down where you'll never have to worry about it....U put it in and put it all the way down and never have to worry bout it agin... ever /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gifWell at least not for a long time anyway...my pump was set in 88..and i RAN IT DRY!!! 2 summers ago in july which may very well have exacerbated the problem (HENCE MY NEW PUMP!!!) and that's why i put mine down an extra 100'... to 311' but could have gone down to bout 360' but $$$' REAL TIGHT and with the knowledge of the ability of this well to recover i could've spent $$80 and possibly not have had the problem to begin with...

All i'm saying is that u don't know the exact facts about this well and where they took the reading and so i'd put it down (if it was mine ) all the way DOWN and that's what the (REAL PUMP GURU SAID TOO!!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif) Jist food for thought it's your wallet and what if you accidentaly allow the pump to run too long and do suck it dry or what if u REALLY get into using the property 4 growin trees and need more water than u expected??? GREAT IDEA BY THE WAY!!...THAT'S WHAT I CALL THINKIN ON YER FEET!!! Make yer land pay for itself or at least try to make a go of it ...By the way if u are using yer property to "farm" can't you git reduced taxes for using it as such??? and heres a box of trouble i've got runnin round /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
TODD

Poppa · May 24, 2004

Re: WELL DONE!!! FER ALL TBNER\'S AND BETWEEN GATOR BOY

 Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe they run a pump in the well and find the point (gpm) which the water level does not go down. Hence they pumped at 17 gpm and the water level remained at 22 feet below the ground. 

I am sure when they did the original pump test, they did have the pump down near the bottom of the well.

You are kind of right Gatorboy but the question is at what elevation did the water level equilibrate. Might be at 22 feet down, might have been 100 feet down. If you don't know now then the only way to find out is to do a new pump test. Personally, I would be inclined to get the pump down deeper. I don't believe that the extra 80 feet is going to add that much to your cost.

Mike

polecat · May 25, 2004

Re: WELL DONE!!! FER ALL TBNER\'S AND BETWEEN GATOR BOY

Well that make 3 of us...me, Poppa, and "the pump Guru"....
so here we r at 1:30 am and jist got off of the telly with my buddy from Scotia and because of the duration of the chat i 'm not going to go technowizard on Ya'll tonite but will instead address another one of my concerns which actually could possibly have more dire consequences than even runnin yer well dry and burnin up yer pump.... Thats not even havin a well after some hooligans who have even bent over yer no tresspassin posts possibly sabotage piss or even s@@@ in yer well....Now gatorman ...I say this with the utmost respect and concern 4 u and your financial well being(no pun intended) /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif As u and i both know u have had a few problems with the entrance to yer property , and yet we are dealin with something far more valuable.... Help me out here Pops (please /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif) but up here in maine to have a well drilled it'll cost any where from min $2000-$6000+...... Now lets take astep back for a second gster and think about this ....I have thought about this in great depth as have I every aspect of this well/pump thing...Yes believe it or not i have been laying in bed at night thinkin bout yer well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I sincerely hope that when this is all said and done you will send me a bottle of her sweet essences so that i may enjoy some of her bubbly libations as well..NO PUN INTENDED AGIN!!!!LMAO /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
so to the matter at hand ....let me put it to you bluntly...b4 you put this ppump i have sittin beside me right now in i would like u to seriously spendin a few extra bucks to protect this whole clambake...a 4' well tile dug by hand down bout 18- 24 inches(will save you long term against frost and the hooligans). By putting a cement well tile round the casing, the new water extruding pipe, the hanging cord, and the now or soon to b completely exposed water source ($2-10k) u will further protect yer investment and be able to sleep at night without having to worry bout malfeasants!!! So do me a favor today when u read this ...call round to all the pre and post-stressed concrete mgfrs. and find out how much a 4'x4' round well tile w/cover would cost...Jist think bout it and post me later as i've still got to have u show or tell me how to cut and paste or whatever it is that u do to git the websites up on here. so that i can start getting into the more in depth electrical charts and graphs for all of our other fellow tbner's that aren't so lucky as u and need wirin charts, diagrams, and philosophy....is now 2:07 am and am hittin d hay ...have agreat day till then.... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
TODD

Gatorboy · May 25, 2004

Re: WELL DONE!!! FER ALL TBNER\'S AND BETWEEN GATOR BOY

( but the question is at what elevation did the water level equilibrate )

I just pulled out my well info from 1989 and it states here the level when they ran the test in November was 24 feet from the surface and during 6 hours of pumping the water level was at 62 feet. So, I think 100' down is still the right distance.

Gatorboy · May 25, 2004

Re: WELL DONE!!! FER ALL TBNER\'S AND BETWEEN GATOR BOY

Instead of a well tile, what if I built myself a Pump House? I could then store my generator in it along with some other smaller items. The picture I posted shows the well outside the house, but I think it would be better to have that inside the pump house too.

Here is a picture of a small Pump House and what is under it.

flealie · May 25, 2004

Re: WELL DONE!!! FER ALL TBNER\'S AND BETWEEN GATOR BOY

The pumphouse is a fine idea and I would recomend it for your application (not living at the property). It would protect you equipment from the weather and others tampering with the well.

Being a plumber I hope I can shed some light on this situation based on my experience. In our area we install the pitless adaptors about 4 feet below the ground (to prevent freezing). The hole for the pitless is generally made with a high quality hole saw or in my case an oxy-acetelene torch. If you go with a pump house and are not worried about freezing you can simply run you pipe from the well pump to a fitting on the top of the well casing and then from the top of the well casing to the pressure tank.

As far as the depth of the pump it is common to install the pump about 5 feet from the bottom of the well. The reason for installing it at this level is that the vein that is producing your 17GPM may be at or near this level. So based on what I have seen written (197ft well). I would use 188 or 189 feet of pipe 197-5=192-3(lenght of pump)=189. This is just the way I have always seen it done and done it myself, so feel free to do whatever you feel comfortable with.

Poppa · May 25, 2004

Re: WELL DONE!!! FER ALL TBNER\'S AND BETWEEN GATOR BOY

Yeah, with regard to depth of pump. When drilling for water, most of the time once you have found a water producing layer, you stop drilling. If your well is 200 feet deep, then the water is most likely coming from that area.

You have to have a lot of extra money to find a producing layer at 60 feet and then tell the driller, hey, why not take her to an even two hundred. I haven't priced a well in ten years but figure 25 to 40 dollars a foot.

So, again, I would pay the extra now and drop that pump to near the bottom.

As far as a pump house goes, I think it's a great idea both for the storage and the protection. A guy I know in WA state had a low producing well, (2gpm) so he needed a very large tank as a sort of reservoir. He built this fantastic pump house. Wish I had a picture, anyway, it looked like a mideval castle complete with turrets. All wood but painted to look like stone. It was the first building visible on his property when you drove up and really set the stage for the mediterranean house he built.

Just cause it is only a pump house doesn't mean it can't have flavor.

Mike

polecat · May 25, 2004

Re: WELL DONE!!! FER ALL TBNER\'S AND BETWEEN GATOR BOY

Nice!!!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
The only reason i suggested a well tile is that they are premade,relatively inexpensive and can be delivered to your property where u, yer son and the cut could literally roll it over to the well flip it over, and jist dig from the inside and self settle and level it drill two 1/2" holes on either side, pop the cover on with yer fel,run a chain thru the cover handle...usually rebar...down to the 2 -1/2" holes where u install threaded eyes and chain the whole thing shut and u are virtually impregnable..... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gifquickest,fastest,cheapest,way ican think of doin it,not wood either ...those kids could tear that little house apart in min's...the other house is gonna cost u a couple g's gman /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
but sure is pretty...it'll also take u AT LEAST a couple probably 3 (lets be real now /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif) full weekends to build....

Now back to the charts...the "well system" /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Thank you FLEALIE for chimin in and welcome to our home!!!! on the well system chart you'll see two types of well seal's ,the first is a well cap (what is on my well) and is used in conjunction with what is called a "peerless fitting" which is set down BELOW THE FROST LINE...... and set into a hole in the side of the casing....Now gman and i already discussed this and his frost line is 18" (lucky u ...ours hit 5" here this past winter!!!!!) so to get this kind of set up u need to dig!! NOW FOR MOST HOMEOWNERS THIS IS THE WAY TO GO!!!! Here's how a pitless works...drill hole in casing..(look real close at the pitless in the chart..I printed mine out...) there are actually 6 parts to a pitless adapter...7 if u want to include the threaded brass insert fitting that connects to your descending well pipe.....

PITLESS ADAPTOR: parts

INNER HEAD--threaded on top bottom..bottom is 1' female threadedand recieves male insert fitting insert fitting that goes to descending well pipe, and the top has (this is the cool part of a pitless) 1" female pipe thread too!!!!! heres the cool part....git a piece of 1" pipe.....pipe threaded only ( i bummed mine from the local oils guy who also does steel pipe work for fuel oil tanks and the like) grab yer flashlight...
go out to the well and take the cover off...look down into the casing and youll see yer pitless mounted on the side of the casing...look real cloe ...(mine wass down bout 5' ) and slowly ease your threaded pipe into the top of the pitless
(!!!!!! BE VERY CAREFUL YOU DONT STRIP THE BRASS THREADS WITH YOUR STEEL PIPE!!! otherwise you'll be digging tooo!!! /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif) slowly , making sure the pipe is not cross threading start turning and screwing your pipe into the top of the pitless backing off (u know the old trick ...git a half a turn back off a whole turn) to insure that u aren't buggerin up the threads ....once seated into the pitless take a pipe wrench(sorry i forgot to tell u to grab one of those too /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif) and crak her another 1/8- 1/2 turn til good n snug ...now put yer pipe wrench down /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
and grab the pipe and gently move the pipe back and forth jist a little if its been years b4 the thing has been apart!!! now firmly pull straght up and don't let go because if she reseased that pipe is now holdin ye well pipe, pump,wires = EVERYTHING!!!! Well don't jist stand there pull her out /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif..I would suggest more than one person for this!!! I had 3 and needed every hand we had!!!!
be back in a while /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif i do have a life 2 /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif