Which lawn tractor to buy?

   / Which lawn tractor to buy? #31  
Unless you're getting into the X series I do not think they are well made, even my 2005 model year JD was a flimsy cheaply built machine with weak transmissions and cheap stamped decks, the new ones are worse yet in my opinion. Also I was never impressed with the cut quality of mine, mowed slow and cut quality left a lot to be desired. Honestly, unless you plan to run a plow or a snowblower in the winter or you have steep hills to mow I would look hard at a ZTR. These are just my opinions of course. Budget, dealer support, comfort, features etc should all be considered though.
Agreed, The X series have heavier better quality frames.

The lower end Lawn tractor lines Hydro transaxles are not rated for as many hours use, and being sealed have a smaller amount of cooling capacity also likely no filtration.

They generally are not rated for any ground engagement uses.

Not uncommon for some of the lower end hydros to start slipping in under 300 hours.






 
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   / Which lawn tractor to buy? #32  
Thanks for your detailed reply. This is just the kind of thing I was looking for. Because of the uneveness of our terrain and because of the other use of the lawn tractor for towing a small trailer around I think we need a conventional lawn tractor. But I will look again at ZTRs.
Eric

No problem. I did keep my JD around for a summer after getting my ZTR but I found that my ZTR towed better than my JD did, has more pulling power and is easier to maneuver around obstacles. I pull a yard trailer, sweeper, de-thatcher and aerator and it does it very well, hell I even had the poor thing pulling out brush before I bought my Kioti. :ROFLMAO: How uneven is your yard? I have two decently sloped hills between my front and back yard that I can do no problem with my ZTR. Not trying to sway your decision away from a lawn tractor if that is what you want, BUT if mowing is going to be its main task, its hard to beat a zero turn. Either way, good luck with your decision!
 
   / Which lawn tractor to buy? #33  
All I can say is up until 2013 all I ever used to mow and snow blow was cheap lawn tractors.
A 1982 MTD 825 Classic and 2 Craftsman and they lasted years and years.

I don't buy into the needing expensive commercial grade lawn tractors. Buy cheap ones and change the oil and air filter often.
All of mine were even bought used and I changed one spindle on the mower deck on the one Craftsman and belts. That's it.
And I mowed every weekend it it took 8 hours to mow full lawn and snow blowing my driveway and turnaround used 4 gallons of gas. So they were used way above their intended design.
 
   / Which lawn tractor to buy? #34  
Kubota still makes some nice looking lawn tractors. Don’t know anything about them, but probably worth a look see. My last lawn tractor before I went zero turn was a Simplicity Conquest. Was a nice machine, but my Gravely zero turn blows it away in every way.
 
   / Which lawn tractor to buy? #35  
Shop the transaxle. Avoid the non-serviceable K46.

I have a 2016 JD X590 with the K72 and it’s been excellent. I paid $7500 back then but with inflation it’s close to $10k now.
 
   / Which lawn tractor to buy? #36  
Thanks for your detailed reply. This is just the kind of thing I was looking for. Because of the uneveness of our terrain and because of the other use of the lawn tractor for towing a small trailer around I think we need a conventional lawn tractor. But I will look again at ZTRs.
Eric
If you have uneven terrain, look at the new Stihl or Ferris zero turn mowers. They have 4 wheel shock/ coil spring suspension. It really makes for a smooth ride on rough ground. This is the model I have and I’m very impressed:

 
   / Which lawn tractor to buy? #37  
If I was forced to go back to a tractor style mower from my ZTR I would look for a good used Simplicity or a new non box store Husqvarna. Simplicity was known for making some of the best lawn tractors, cut quality is top notch and they were built well. Husqvarna offers a lawn tractor with the good Kawasaki FR series engines and fabricated mower decks. I had a JD 110 lawn tractor for years and it was ok but I wouldn't touch a new JD with a ten foot pole.


Ding, ding, ding. This! Absolutely! I tell this to people all the time when they say, "I own a Husqvarna, and it's a POS, so therefore Husqvarna makes chitty lawnmowers." Or, "my JD is a POS, so therefore all JD mowers are POS." Some guy was telling me that Husqvarna mowers are POS, and to get Craftsman. I'm thinking, "hey dumb arse, they're the exact same mowers with different paint, decals, and hoods. I know this because I was a tool maker at Husqvarna Outdoor Products in Orangeburg, SC for several years. Over the years they've had several different names. (Roper, Frigidaire, AYP, Electrolux, etc) Pre-China Virus they were the largest manufacturer of mowers in the U.S., if not the world, even though I've heard that post China Virus they went through some pretty large restructuring, but back in the day we had probably 30 different brands we made mowers for like Craftsman, Dixon, Ariens, Weed Eater, Poulan, Poulan Pro, McCulloch (brands I thought just made chainsaws) Murray, etc, etc. I can tell you that Husqvarna absolutely makes a crappy mower, but they also make extremely good mowers. Same with JD. Those mowers that Lowes and HD sell may look the same, but they're not the same as what's sold at a Deere dealership, or a lawnmower dealership that specializes selling highend outdoor products. Do you feel that a Rancher or Farm Boss is going to be as good as a Husqvarna or Stihl professional saw? Walmart has some nice looking TV's, and they maybe good enough for you, but do you think it's going to be on the level as a $6K-$10K TV at Best Buy just because they're both Samsungs? Are you going to shop Lowes or HD for welders to start a welding business, or are you going to buy your welders from a welding supply business that you want to form a relationship with? You can buy a decent home welder at somewhere like Northern, and even Harbor Freight welders work pretty decent for a hobbyist, but are you going to go there to buy a $60K industrial diesel engine driven welder, like a Miller Big Blue or Lincoln Air Vantage, especially when service may be needed for warranty work, and you need to buy gas, and rods, wire, parts, etc? So why would you go to a large retail store that sells a lot of things, but specializes in nothing for a great mower? Yes the Ariens APEX that you can buy at Lowes is a good mower, but Lowes can't perform warranty work on it, and that same mower can be found at dealerships that can perform that for you, even if it costs a couple hundred more the lawnmower dealership is the better overall route.

Basically Husqvarna makes mowers rated for as low as 800 hour, but they also make mowers rated up to 3,500+ hours. Same with other companies. If you go look at, and sit on the display mowers at Lowes/HD, and then at the dealerships, the dealerships mowers just feel better, tighter, beefier, heavier, etc. There is a difference on what large retailers order, and what outdoor product dealerships order from the manufacturers. Maybe 1 or 2 of the large retailer's more expensive models are more entry level, industrial grade mowers, (Ariens APEX for example) but you've got to know what you're looking at.

There are quite a few good brands. Also generally speaking the better zero turns are better build, more commercial grade than your tractor mowers, but most manufacturers make cheap entry level ZTR's as well. (Husqvarna RZ for example) I really like Exmark ZTR's. I also like the older Husqvarna MZ's and they're a great value, and have been around for about 2 decades so they're well made, but without a lot of the modern fluff that will likely become a reliability issue at some point. But all your highend brands will have good machines. I think Toro gives you a lot of bang for your buck, even if they're not the most commercial brand, plus they bought Exmark in 1997. Obviously the commercial JD is very good, as is Cub Cadet. Kubota wasn't making wave in the mower business when I was machining for the engineers at Husqvarna so we didn't study them that I can remember, but they've come up it seems. I looked at them last summer, and thought they were very nice. Ferris is very good, and Stihl has bought them, or bought into them, or something as they've got the same chassis/suspension from what I was told. Ariens/Gravely are good, but I always felt cramped on them. I still wish they made Dixon mowers. I always like the Dixon mowers we built. At their core they were the same as a Husqvarna mower, but that's like saying at it's core an Escalade is a Tahoe. Yes, but it's an extremely well fitted Tahoe. Those MZ/PZ based Dixon ZTR's had some awesome seats.

Lastly I prefer Kohler or Kawasaki engines Both are excellent. Briggs & Stratton Vanguard is highly touted by some people, but I don't know as much about them. I'm sure they're GTG though, but Kohler and Kawasaki seem more popular in this millennium. Exmark actually makes their own engines now, so does Toro use Exmark engines, since they own Exmark?
 
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   / Which lawn tractor to buy? #38  
@LightningCamaroGuy: "Yes the Ariens APEX that you can buy at Lowes is a good mower, but Lowes can't perform warranty work on it, and that same mower can be found at dealerships that can perform that for you, even if it cost a couple hundred more the lawnmower dealership is the better overall route."
Some good points made.
My 17 y.o. Husqvarna was aging and was in the market for a small push mower that I could trim around and near the house and fence before cranking up the ZT.
Settled for the Ariens 21" push mower. The back drive wheel would not disengage. Neither Ariens nor a auth. dealer were any help. So, I take it to my Gravely ZT/local tractor dealer in Shiner.
They took care of the issue. Told them no stress, it's a push mower and you have bigger jobs.
And that relationship can't be built at a big box store. I bought this mower from a dealer in San Antonio cause push mowers come in tens per pallet and my local guy ain't gonna sell ten of them.
On the PTO clutch:
Recently learned, and maybe it's just me, (of course it is) about dis-engaging the PTO.
Set engine speed to idle for about 10-15 seconds, and then disengage PTO.
It reduces stress of the PTO clutch having to stop the blade from full to no speed under 10 seconds or so.

Good stuff here. Hope your getting the info to make that buy.

Now if you ask us to spend YOUR money , boy we can really help then...! 😂
 
   / Which lawn tractor to buy? #39  
Hi All,
I have a Deere L130 lawn tractor that is at the end of its useful life. Last summer I was going to replace it with the equivalent Deere product. I called the 2 closest Deere dealerships, talked with a couple salesmen, and never heard back. I even emailed the dealerships. No replies. I guess I wasn't gonna be spending enough money.
Now, a year later, I REALLY need a new lawn tractor. And even though I wanted a John Deere a year ago I think I no longer do. With all the folks being fired and production being moved to Mexico I wonder if I buy a Deere product today if it will be supported 10 years from now. And I'm peeved that production is being moved to Mexico, with dramatically lower labor costs, without Deere lowering prices.
So, I'm looking for opinions on other brands. One thing I really like on my current machine is the electric clutch for the mower deck. I really dislike the belt clutches that just tension the belt with a lever. It has been my experience that the electric clutch systems have longer belt life, cheaper belts, because they are shorter, and have fewer problems. So I want a machine with the electric clutch.
Any help choosing would be greatly appreciated.
Thank You,
Eric
go to Lowes or Home Depot and buy the deere of your choice with the deere factory warranty and the 4 year extended warranty if you want it...and i guarantee either store will show you around
 
   / Which lawn tractor to buy? #40  
@LightningCamaroGuy: "Yes the Ariens APEX that you can buy at Lowes is a good mower, but Lowes can't perform warranty work on it, and that same mower can be found at dealerships that can perform that for you, even if it cost a couple hundred more the lawnmower dealership is the better overall route."
Some good points made.
My 17 y.o. Husqvarna was aging and was in the market for a small push mower that I could trim around and near the house and fence before cranking up the ZT.
Settled for the Ariens 21" push mower. The back drive wheel would not disengage. Neither Ariens nor a auth. dealer were any help. So, I take it to my Gravely ZT/local tractor dealer in Shiner.
They took care of the issue. Told them no stress, it's a push mower and you have bigger jobs.
And that relationship can't be built at a big box store. I bought this mower from a dealer in San Antonio cause push mowers come in tens per pallet and my local guy ain't gonna sell ten of them.
On the PTO clutch:
Recently learned, and maybe it's just me, (of course it is) about dis-engaging the PTO.
Set engine speed to idle for about 10-15 seconds, and then disengage PTO.
It reduces stress of the PTO clutch having to stop the blade from full to no speed under 10 seconds or so.

Good stuff here. Hope your getting the info to make that buy.

Now if you ask us to spend YOUR money , boy we can really help then...! 😂
Lowes and Home Depot have a factory warranty repair shop in every decent city for warranty work
 

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