Why is green paint so expensive?

[gemini5362]

?? So who is the co. you had never heard of...??

If it's yanmar.. I'd feel safer with a yanmar marinediesel in my boat than a mitsu... Yanmar has a long good name in diesels..

Soundguy

Is it yanmar that is in small john deere tractors ? If it is then I personally have not done the research and heard of them. However. If the discovery channel is correct and they do a lot of research Mitsubishi is the largest marine diesel manufacturer in the world and they have made them for a long long time.

Here is what it says about yanmar marine. Yanmar Marine offers engines, drive systems and accessories for all types of boats, from runabouts to sailboats, and from cruisers to mega yachts. In marine leisure boating, the worldwide reputation of Yanmar Marine is second to none. The entity Yanmar Marine, headquartered in Almere (Netherlands), is part of the Yanmar Company Ltd. Japan, and was established in 2002.

Here is what i read about mitsubishi

We continue to manufacture diesel engines for over 80 years, since we completed Japan's first diesel engine for commercial use in the year 1916.

My purchase of the montana means that I have no problem with trying new things. I do like it when the new thing uses an engine designed by a company that has been designing diesels for over 80 years.

Please do not misunderstand me I am sure yanmar is a good company I notice that they seem to be more for the leisure class boats and I dont deal with those. I just have never heard of them.

 

[Dargo]

Is it yanmar that is in small john deere tractors ? If it is then I personally have not done the research and heard of them.

Yes, Yanmar engines are in quite a few of the smaller JD tractors. I've been on many, many boats/yachts that have been powered by Yanmar diesels. Yanmar marine diesels dominate the marine industry in the high quality end. I'm not aware of a Mitsubishi engine in any JD, and I've never been on a cruise in a yacht powered by a Mitsubishi. Mitsubishi has had some, well, issues I'll say, over the years; considerable issues. I'd be quite shocked if JD ever used any of their engines in anything. I got my Clark forklift with low hours for a very low price because it has a Mitsubishi engine in it; it's third in 1800 hours. The guys in the forklift business all passed on the Mitsu powered forklifts. After having it a few years, I see why. I can't afford to replace it right now, but I'll not ever own another.

 

[Oleozz]

My JD 870 had a 3 cylinder Yanmar engine and in the years I owned it the motor never skipped a beat. It was easy to start, smooth, and responsive. If my Kioti engine does as well I will be very pleased.

 

[gemini5362]

Ok so now I have heard of yanmar. I dont have much experience with mitsubishi diesel engines. A lot of cars seem to use mitsubishi gas engines. From what I have seen on discovery channel and on the web site. Mitsubishi seems to do more of the commercial end of diesel engines on things such as cargo ships, tanker ships etc. That is my experience with them. If yanmar does yachts and those kinds of engines they must work pretty well. If my montana tears up because of a bad engine then I will wish I had bought something else. If not then I will continue to be happy with it. But back to my original comment. I have heard of mitsubishi and until this thread I had not heard of yanmar. I also still stand by my original comment. John Deere makes a good tractor. Even though I could afford one without a lot of problem I would rather have my Montana at this point because I see no reason to spend $8000.00 more for a John Deere.

 

[gemini5362]

. I got my Clark forklift with low hours for a very low price because it has a Mitsubishi engine in it; it's third in 1800 hours. The guys in the forklift business all passed on the Mitsu powered forklifts. After having it a few years, I see why. I can't afford to replace it right now, but I'll not ever own another.

Dargo is that a gas powered fork lift. If so it is my understanding that the Mitsubishi engine used in those are very similar to the one that chrysler uses in its cars. I do know that when I drove chrysler products if you had the mitsubishi engine in them that was preferable because they lasted a long time.

 

[NoMo]

Ever hear of Shibaura?

I hear they're pretty popular with an Italian company.

 

[Dargo]

Dargo is that a gas powered fork lift. If so it is my understanding that the Mitsubishi engine used in those are very similar to the one that chrysler uses in its cars. I do know that when I drove chrysler products if you had the mitsubishi engine in them that was preferable because they lasted a long time.

Hopefully the Mitsu diesel engines are better than their gas. Chrysler severed their relationship with Mitsubishi over severe engine issues; just like what plagues the Clark forklifts like I have. I'd have to admit that I'd be prejudiced and never even look a tractor that had a Mitsubishi power plant after what I've seen and experienced with them. With my business, I unfortunately get to deal with their issues all too often. But, none are diesel engines, so I can't say first hand that their diesel engines are like their other products; hopefully they are not as I said earlier.

As I also said, I have a forklift with the Mitsu engine and I'm stuck with it for a while. Hopefully with as little as I use it I won't have trouble. Just type "Mitsubishi engine problems" in Google and you literally get about 1.3 million hits. I don't need it rubbed in any more. Besides with my forklift, they get into my pocket with my business plenty as well.

 

[Turbys_1700]

One of my friends I grew up with is an independent mechanic. Speaks very poorly of Mitsi gas engines. He's made lots of money rebuilding those unts pre 80K miles. In his opinion they are throw aways. They have had serious troubles in the gas engine dept. as Dargo states. Perhaps they have improved.

In my opinion, a Mitsi does not compare to a Yanmar. If I bought a new John Deere it would be because of the Yanmar unit in it. They are very reliable.

 

[BTDT]

It's all about the money. They charge that because they can. Just like when Dodge/Chrysler first came out with the Durango's and PT Cruisers, they could name their price because they were popular.

 

[Farmwithjunk]

I'm sure quite a lot of people do. It really wouldn't be a dumb move on their part either. I know of at least two lawyers and one physician who purchased JD tractors because they didn't know tractors all that well and had absolutely no desire to spend hours researching all the new brands. JD has proven over decades to be a good solid "blue chip" and, without doing research, would be a good safe bet for a buyer who doesn't know much about tractors. It's actually hard to see a flaw in their logic. I'm sure a lot of people just like the ones I mentioned also buy Lexus vehicles. For them, it's a pretty darn safe bet to be a quality vehicle and they needn't do hours of research first. With JD and Lexus, those people can simply pick out the one they want, negotiate or shop the price, and buy one without any second thoughts or regrets.

Here's where things go astray as far as I'm concerned. In all these "my favorite brand is best" discussions, things always filter down to a "this brand" vs. "that brand" contest. Then the comparisons are done as if EVERY size, model, year and description of John Deere/New Holland/Kubota/Massey Ferguson/ect... is representative of it's brand.

Over the years, Deere has produced a few lemons like everyone else. IMHO, those don't count against the over-all quality of a model unless the lemons are frequent. What I'm talking about is out and out BAD DESIGN. OVER-ALL, Deere builds a well though out, well built piece of equipment. A person can buy from them, depending on the quality being there, and USUALLY get that. Sometimes not. They've built a few "stinkers" too.

As an owner of a Deere tractor, and former owner of a few more, I'm calling attention to the fact that "the best John Deere has to offer" and "the worst John Deere has to offer" are both available at the same stop. Yes, the name recognition gets them TONS of business. It makes people see good as great sometimes. By no accident, people link Deere's corporate success with the perception of across-the-board product superiority. (A marketing strategy that feeds on itself)

Most of what Deere sells is top shelf. Nothing they sell comes without a healthy dose of hype and advertising propaganda though.

But after owning a few, I'm still not ready to say Deere is "THE best". Not sure that's always so well defined throughout hundreds of models and brands. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another Deere if I found the need, but it would NOT automatically be my first choice.