why one should ALWAYS carry your weapon

[Bird]

Rest assured that many of us view a gun as a farm tool, like a shovel or an axe. We would no more wander around with a gun all the time than we would wander around carrying a shovel or an axe, though I think most of us carry a folding pocket knife, since that actually is useful sometimes.

Yeah, I haven't gone without a 2 or 3 blade pocket knife since I was 6 years old. And fortunately, I've had no need to fly on an airplace since 1986.:laughing: And I doubt that I ever will fly again.

 

[two_bit_score]

You said it? we sure get a Bunch of THEM wanting to run this country? Politics mentioned...

Yeah, imagine actual US citizens wanting to exercise their rights? How astonishing of THEM!

Just because Roy made an ignorant comment doesnt make it true.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

Is there an Educated guess as to just how many Illegals there are? For you Obama followers, ""HE wants to make them all legal,""that does not sound like DEPORT to me. The Democrats are backing this whole-heartedly, do you want the Mexican flag, or other Spanish flags flying under ours?

The figure I have heard is about 20 million illegals in the USA. Obviously, you can't get rid of them all at once, and some of them you don't want to get rid of at all. A million a year, concentrating on criminals, looks like a manageable rate to me. It's certainly better than any previous presidents have done.

I don't know what right wing nut case spouted "HE wants to make them all legal," but you need to be more discerning in what BS you swallow. Realize that much of what you hear on the radio and see on Faux News is just hate propaganda designed to disrupt the American political process.

 

[RoyJackson]

Yeah, imagine actual US citizens wanting to exercise their rights? How astonishing of THEM!

Just because Roy made an ignorant comment doesnt make it true.

What comment was that, sonny?

Respond with the post number or quote it...

 

[jonyyuma]

Twenty Million Illegals is the figure, that they are supposed to have estimated....It could be that it is double that number? I will admit, all BUSH did was fly them back across the border. That did not work so they sent them to Mexico City, then.

 

[two_bit_score]

I'll write this once...and then no more on the subject.


As a foreign national, it's not your place to interfere, or even comment, on our rights...just as you would not want US citizens interfering with how your country is ran...correct?

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Here is your quote. Since you evidently make so many statements in that category you can't remember them all I went back and looked it up for you.

You seemed to have been rather ignorant that the citizens of the Virgin Islands are also citizens of the USA.

Do you ever think things through or do you just fling crap indiscriminately?

I guess you somehow think you are appointed to tell people if they are qualified to comment on TBN or not now.

 

[5030]

Yeah, I haven't gone without a 2 or 3 blade pocket knife since I was 6 years old. And fortunately, I've had no need to fly on an airplace since 1986.:laughing: And I doubt that I ever will fly again.

Bird...

When I was younger, I 'flew' a lot. Now, with the advent of random workplace drug testing, I don't 'fly' at all......

I quit carrying a pocket knfe in my pocket. These newer pants pockets wear through too fast. In a sheath on the belt now.

 

[IslandTractor]

Here is your quote. Since you evidently make so many statements in that category you can't remember them all I went back and looked it up for you.

You seemed to have been rather ignorant that the citizens of the Virgin Islands are also citizens of the USA.

Do you ever think things through or do you just fling crap indiscriminately?

I guess you somehow think you are appointed to tell people if they are qualified to comment on TBN or not now.

I'm going to defend Roy on this. I think he acknowledged the citizenship error earlier. I am also quite sure that way more than half of our fellow citizens would have made the same mistake. I took him to task only because he was saying that another poster shouldn't express an opinion based on the citizenship thing.

Now, 5030 apparently still believes there are no democratic countries in Europe, that no European country has a constitution, and that I am FOS for disagreeing with him. I may well be FOS but not on that particular post.

 

[two_bit_score]

I'm going to defend Roy on this. I think he acknowledged the citizenship error earlier. I am also quite sure that way more than half of our fellow citizens would have made the same mistake. I took him to task only because he was saying that another poster shouldn't express an opinion based on the citizenship thing.

Now, 5030 apparently still believes there are no democratic countries in Europe, that no European country has a constitution, and that I am FOS for disagreeing with him. I may well be FOS but not on that particular post.

My main point is Roy's arrogance that he thinks he can talk that way to some one who merely offered a good faith comment on this thread.

Roy probably does need you to take up for him since he really is just FOS himself and pretty full of himself.

I guess Roy thinks he is appointed to determine who can and cannot post comments in TBN based on his agreement with them or not. If he has ever expressed an original thought I would be surprised.
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[5030]

I'm going to defend Roy on this. I think he acknowledged the citizenship error earlier. I am also quite sure that way more than half of our fellow citizens would have made the same mistake. I took him to task only because he was saying that another poster shouldn't express an opinion based on the citizenship thing.

Now, 5030 apparently still believes there are no democratic countries in Europe, that no European country has a constitution, and that I am FOS for disagreeing with him. I may well be FOS but not on that particular post.

I'd be happy to send you a box of ex-lax.:laughing:

Candidly, I don't know what I believe lately, other than Obama will get a second term. I just relayed my conversation with a German citizen, visiting on vacation, riding a motorcycle prior to heading to Rock Island for a JD engineering seminar. Not verbatim mind you, in my own words so I probably jilted it a bit. Nice guy. Too bad he was riding a Beemer.

I Forget. We can't discuss politics here. I digress.

 

[two_bit_score]

5030 and IT, this goes for both of y'all. When either of you makes a point you make it well.

 

[5030]

Lets change the tack a bit.

I read a couple comments concerning Thadeaus Nugent, not one of my favorite people, but not the least favriote by a long shot.... I have a casual relationship with the Nugent clan and Thadeaus is a better singer than political analyist.

That's from first person experience by the way.

 

[tungularafishcamp]

I'd be happy to send you a box of ex-lax.:laughing:

Candidly, I don't know what I believe lately, other than Obama will get a second term. I just relayed my conversation with a German citizen, visiting on vacation, riding a motorcycle prior to heading to Rock Island for a JD engineering seminar. Not verbatim mind you, in my own words so I probably jilted it a bit. Nice guy. Too bad he was riding a Beemer.

I Forget. We can't discuss politics here. I digress.

5030 I have always liked your posts just like almost all the others here on tbn. It is really great to get all the different viewpoints especially when they are different than mine, but I must say I hope your last post is totally wrong

 

[JB4310]

Lets change the tack a bit.

I read a couple comments concerning Thadeaus Nugent, not one of my favorite people, but not the least favriote by a long shot.... I have a casual relationship with the Nugent clan and Thadeaus is a better singer than political analyist.

That's from first person experience by the way.

Well I don't want to step in the fracas this thread has become, but regarding the Nuge. It's pretty common knowledge he's a rabid anti drug advocate.

He claims he hung out and jammed with Hendrix but wouldn't party with him, that had to be challenging :laughing:

Ted Nugent - YouTube

He was a wildman

JB

 

[IslandTractor]

My main point is Roy's arrogance that he thinks he can talk that way to some one who merely offered a good faith comment on this thread.

Roy probably does need you to take up for him since he really is just FOS himself and pretty full of himself.

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I think those comments describe at least half the people I work with in an elitist leftwing institution. Nice to know there are some on the right to balance life out.

I much prefer sparring with Roy and others who bother to frame and flesh out arguments even if they, at times, are dismissive. If I'm a leftwing elitist then they are ignorant rednecks and once we agree on that we can have a constructive debate. Much better than trying to engage the yahoos and those who simply provide a link to some unvetted website. The point of these posts is discussion. I disagree with Roy that those who disagree with unfettered gun access and CCL should simply not post. TBN is not reserved for dittoheads. I learn about other attitudes and don't see any harm in challenging those that differ from my own. He's correct that I don't own a gun, never felt the need. I live within a mile of a suburban police station and we haven't had any gun crime in probably a decade or longer. To me having a gun in the house is more a liability and risk than a security device. But I can understand that someone living in a rural setting might face a different reality. What I don't understand are those who grab their gun before shooing off families who might be trespassing or things like that. In Boston we resolve road rage with an aimed finger which seems far better than reaching for the gun. As I recall states with CCL have quite a number of deadly road rage incidents. I'd argue that these need to be included in the calculus regarding whether it makes sense to carry a weapon around. Just looking back at this thread I see statements from Bird, Roy, Dargo and the OP that I am perfectly comfortable with so I'm not an absolutist. A number of you are. The "pry it from my cold dead fingers" crowd. Those I have trouble with. I see a gun as a tool not a religious icon. There can be and should be some regulation of guns and gun owners. the reasonable debate is how to regulate them to maximize benefit to those who need them while minimizing the potential for harm to innocents and stupid people.

 

[5030]

5030 I have always liked your posts just like almost all the others here on tbn. It is really great to get all the different viewpoints especially when they are different than mine, but I must say I hope your last post is totally wrong

Well I don't want to step in the fracas this thread has become, but regarding the Nuge. It's pretty common knowledge he's a rabid anti drug advocate.

He claims he hung out and jammed with Hendrix but wouldn't party with him, that had to be challenging :laughing:

Ted Nugent - YouTube

He was a wildman

JB

At least the clan still resides here in Michigan. I spent the day prior to opening day with them. Beliveve me, they know how to party right.

Lets just say I suspect ear plugs were the order of the day on opening day.

......not one song by Ted was played the whole evening.

I'm outta here again on Friday for another foray to the woods of northern Michigan looking for the elusive bambi.... or 2.

No Fred Bear either. Smith and Wesson 44 magnum with 5 in the cylinder. (I like to leave an empty hole under the hammer.

 

[RoyJackson]

I think those comments describe at least half the people I work with in an elitist leftwing institution. Nice to know there are some on the right to balance life out.

Thanks for the post..

Anyway, I'm far from an elitist, but I do enthusiastically support our 2nd Amendment rights....no dispute on that. In fact, I lean toward that "pry it from my cold dead fingers" attitude, no dispute on that either.

And you and I, IslandTractor, have had this rather boisterous discussion over the years in several other threads.

As far as two_bit_score...no idea where he's coming from...seems to have some weird antipathy toward me...don't know why...and, I can't say I much care. So, I'll just ignore his comments...

Getting back to the topic at hand...
You wrote "As I recall states with CCL have quite a number of deadly road rage incidents"...I doubt you have any verifiable statistics to support that statement...do you? And, I definitely doubt that holders or carry permits have any higher rate of road rage then any other group (although I have no verifiable statistics on hand to support that statement).

I agree with you that firearms are primarily a tool...but, just as some guys love their Harleys, Corvettes....tractors...tools all, some of us love our guns. And what's wrong with that?

As far as

There can be and should be some regulation of guns and gun owners. the reasonable debate is how to regulate them to maximize benefit to those who need them while minimizing the potential for harm to innocents and stupid people.

There already are numerous laws and regulations on the ownership and use of firearms...many more then necessary and many are unreasonable. And, as has been discussed many many many times...laws only apply if people are willing to obey them.
It looks like the biggest problem with "illegal" guns results from the mismanagement and extremely poor judgment (and, the way I see it, criminal actions) of those who are responsible for the enforcement of the laws and regulations...I'm writing of the "Fast and Furious" debacle, of course.
And, as far as "need"...it's a Bill of Rights...not a Bill of Needs.

IslandTractor, you'll never win this debate...I doubt it would even come to a draw, not even close.

BTW, I reckon we're getting way too close to "political"...shall we stick to the original thread topic for a while?

 

[Smallplot]

Actually, Obama has done more than any previous president. Under his direction, the INS is on track to deport nearly 1 million illegals by the end of the year, and they are concentrating on the criminal element. A few years of that will make a real dent in the problem, if the right wingers don't gut the INS like they want to do with every other government program.

Sorry here but as I understand it, Mr Obama has done quite the opposite. I believe he signed an agreement with Mexico that about illegals that tied INS's hands by not being able to deportment them unless they are problem here. Might do well to check into this before election time. Just saying

 

[5030]

Even being a US Citizen and being a Concealed Carry Permit holder, I'm still not carrying my pistol all the time.

Like my pocket knife, it too wears a hole in my pocket, only faster because it's heavier.:laughing:

No need actually. It's all about need.

 

[RoyJackson]

Even being a US Citizen and being a Concealed Carry Permit holder, I'm still not carrying my pistol all the time.

Like my pocket knife, it too wears a hole in my pocket, only faster because it's heavier.:laughing:

No need actually. It's all about need.

What do you carry, 5030? And do you use a pocket holster?