Will UAW Strike?

[airbiscuit]

The longer the strike goes on, the more likely there will be plant closings. Those union workers will have won the battle and lost the war.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

The longer the strike goes on, the more likely there will be plant closings. Those union workers will have won the battle and lost the war.

No risk, no reward. There may be some casualties

 

[Hay Dude]

Funny seeing the top of the current administration twist like a pretzel defending unions on one hand, but pushing EV’s and the end of ICE vehicles with the other hand.

Can’t have both. The more the G_____ment pushes EV’s, the more it destroys our domestic ICE auto industry, the more taxpayer funded subsidies it needs to push towards the big 3 and the more the cost of vehicles increases.

We all know EV’s are mostly foreign parts, batteries, electronics, cobalt, lithium.

Only loser in the whole equation is the taxpayer & consumer of vehicles.

 

[MAX-24-Dean]

Funny seeing the top of the current administration twist like a pretzel defending unions on one hand, but pushing EV’s and the end of ICE vehicles with the other hand.

Can’t have both. The more the G_____ment pushes EV’s, the more it destroys our domestic ICE auto industry, the more taxpayer funded subsidies it needs to push towards the big 3 and the more the cost of vehicles increases.

We all know EV’s are mostly foreign parts, batteries, electronics, cobalt, lithium.

Only loser in the whole equation is the taxpayer & consumer of vehicles.

The enviroment is another loser here, I believe.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

This may be the sad facts.

While Toyota confuses me often this clip indicates to me they grasp they must copy Tesla.

Listening to some talk they are not talking about how they can add value by working more efficiently to increase their income.

It sounds like they want to return to the old ways/days when labor had clout before globalization changed the world order.

Only dead companies use assembly lines to build cars today. If VW is dying on the vine GM and Ford are doing like wise.

Watching the TV coverage of this strike is like going to a friend's funeral yet he's still squirming in the casket.

John Henry was a spike driving dude but he died in the end and the army of robots keep laying track better/faster than ever.

Times change but most humans prefer death over change.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/19/cars/canada-autoworkers-strike/index.html

That took less than six weeks.

 

[tradosaurus]

The environment is another loser here, I believe.

I'm behind the unions. If it weren't for unions we might not have 5 day/8 hr work weeks. Heck, as efficient as we have become we should be at 3 day work weeks.

I have 2 EV's and a diesel truck. I certainly didn't buy the EV's to "protect" the environment. I did it for the tax incentive and the fact that my electrical costs don't fluctuate like gas. Also minimal maintenance is nice. I realize my tail pipe is at the nearest coal burning power plant.

If we really want to protect the environment the US would sanction China and India to reduce their carbon emissions. The US has come a long way since the 70's in protecting the environment.

 

[ultrarunner]

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Funny seeing the top of the current administration twist like a pretzel defending unions on one hand, but pushing EV’s and the end of ICE vehicles with the other hand.

Can’t have both. The more the G_____ment pushes EV’s, the more it destroys our domestic ICE auto industry, the more taxpayer funded subsidies it needs to push towards the big 3 and the more the cost of vehicles increases.

We all know EV’s are mostly foreign parts, batteries, electronics, cobalt, lithium.

Only loser in the whole equation is the taxpayer & consumer of vehicles.

seems more and more we are our worst enemy…

The barriers to business only increase with a multitude of overlapping agencies that often cannot agree amongst themselves or even in their organizations.

I’ve seen it in my short 30 years on the medical and property management side of things…

The beauty of the American Spirit was being unleashed to sink or swim on your merits…

 

[lilranch2001]

Hopefully more Americans will recognize that big government is not in their best interest

 

[riptides]

Hopefully more Americans will recognize that big government is not in their best interest

Well....there are always special interests.

Me, I side with the individual on this UAW issue. And not the corporate individual at that. I view the latter as part of the problem.

 

[lilranch2001]

Well....there are always special interests.

Me, I side with the individual on this UAW issue. And not the corporate individual at that. I view the latter as part of the problem.

I’m not even sure of the meaning of any of your post.

Maybe you know what you meant to say….

 

[Torvy]

I’m not even sure of the meaning of any of your post.

Maybe you know what you meant to say….

He means he thinks the union is on the side of the average Joe worker.

Of course, the union is a huge business with over a billion of its own assets.

Fain takes in over $200k in compensation and most of the other 'bosses' exceed $150k. Some pigs are more equal than others.

 

[riptides]

He means he thinks the union is on the side of the average Joe worker.

Of course, the union is a huge business with over a billion of its own assets.

Fain takes in over $200k in compensation and most of the other 'bosses' exceed $150k. Some pigs are more equal than others.

Compared to the c-Suite boys and girls and supporting staff? ROTFL.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

Two things can be true. Management is greedy, so is the UAW. There are no heroes

 

[Torvy]

Theoretically, there is a huge difference. If management is doing what it gets paid for, we have better cars at better prices and consumers, employees and stockholders all prosper. If UAW management does what they get paid for, we get more expensive cars with lower quality (company has to save money elsewhere). Stockholders, consumers do worse as will many of the rank and file. UAW management does better as their base pay is indexed to the pay for the actual workers. Other people get laid off, not them.

What if things go badly...management gets the boot...many fewer of those jobs to be had (why they make so much). New management comes in and tries to improve things. If they go badly for UAW management, they stay in place until the next election and still draw their big paychecks. Even if they get 'fired' in the next election, they can still be paid big in other roles (almost impossible to be fired).

 

[riptides]

Theoretically, there is a huge difference. If management is doing what it gets paid for, we have better cars at better prices and consumers, employees and stockholders all prosper. If UAW management does what they get paid for, we get more expensive cars with lower quality (company has to save money elsewhere). Stockholders, consumers do worse as will many of the rank and file. UAW management does better as their base pay is indexed to the pay for the actual workers. Other people get laid off, not them.

What if things go badly...management gets the boot...many fewer of those jobs to be had (why they make so much). New management comes in and tries to improve things. If they go badly for UAW management, they stay in place until the next election and still draw their big paychecks. Even if they get 'fired' in the next election, they can still be paid big in other roles (almost impossible to be fired).

You honestly think a group of individuals making a product wants lower quality products on the market?
That's a question.

 

[Torvy]

You honestly think a group of individuals making a product wants lower quality products on the market?
That's a question.

Not what they want, but what they will get. Actions have consequences, even unintended consequences. Like I said, that money has to come from somewhere. Part of it will be lesser quality parts. Part of it will be more production off shore.

America has some of the best workers in the world. Most of us get more pay when we prove our worth by being productive and/or innovative. Paying more simply for longevity breeds a worker who is just looking to not get fired rather than a worker who wants to excel. Union workers who want to excel quit after a few years and go where they are appreciated. Those who are an anchor never leave.

 

[Pixguy]

You honestly think a group of individuals making a product wants lower quality products on the market?
That's a question.

You've never heard the expression Don't buy a car made on Friday or Monday morning?
Wants to lower quality? Maybe not
Not give a shiite? Oh ya.

 

[hiddentacocatneddih]

Dont buy one built on days end in y and ends in a D or T

 

[MAX-24-Dean]

Not what they want, but what they will get. Actions have consequences, even unintended consequences. Like I said, that money has to come from somewhere. Part of it will be lesser quality parts. Part of it will be more production off shore.

America has some of the best workers in the world. Most of us get more pay when we prove our worth by being productive and/or innovative. Paying more simply for longevity breeds a worker who is just looking to not get fired rather than a worker who wants to excel. Union workers who want to excel quit after a few years and go where they are appreciated. Those who are an anchor never leave.

Exactly what I did, quit the union and started my own company. Best decision I ever made!!! Got a increase in income and was able to take more time off after a couple of years.
It was always frustrating watching some of the "senior" electricians not being able to troubleshoot controls on CNC equipment because they didn't understand theory/physics. Then have to fix what the real problem was on my forced overtime. They would pass the problem on to the next shift or force the lowest senior electrician to work OT because they knew they could.
A fair part of my work ended up contracting my services to the same company I quit. When the plant electricians couldn't figure something out I would generally get a call.