Idiot light

[Soundguy]

Gauge may not be super accurate.. but 8 psi.. is 8 psi.. etc.

I think I'dd pull main sheels and check wear on the crank and shells.. and decide from there about the fullover haul or not.. a 16$ UOA may be telling as well.. though if it is a recent oil change.. most of the evidence ( wear metals ) may have gone with the old oil.

for sure the problem needs to be addressed as to why it's got no oil pressure.. hopefully it will be cheaper than quoted.

soundguy

 

[irwin]

My point is closer to: if it had 8psi ..yes it's very low..but it's enough to lube rod, main and cam bearings to minimize damage. There is a difference between no oil pressure and low oil pressure. No o/p means a useless engine, low o/p could mean a lot less critical damage.

I'd do this myself, drop the oil pan..be easy to see if the pick-up is plugged up..if not drop a rod bearing cap and see what the bearing looks like..if things aren't obvious you could then button it up-refill with oil and bring it to a repair shop. Most likely you'd spent an afternoon doing that. Might save you serious money..if not you've get some experience...All this after you try to resolve the issue with seller/GM etc.

 

[Soundguy]

I think we were agreeing with each other.. .. if there was any positive psi.. and not much work was done. the engine might not be ruined.. dropping caps and checking bearings will be easy and very telltale..

striations, scoring, and heat marks will be obvious.

soundguy

 

[gemini5362]

I would definetly not drop the oil pan myself. By all means go to the general manager and tell him or her what happened. See what you can work out with them. If the GM wont make good then you should go to small claims court. Tell the judge exactly what you have told us that the sales person told there was absolutely nothing wrong with that tractor. If you have another shop give an estimate of what is wrong with it take that to the judge. If you take the oil pan off the sales person can make the statement it was working fine when you bought it and he has no idea what damage you caused while the oil pan was off. Having a qualified service person take the pan off for troubleshooting purposes is much different than doing it yourself. I would not do anything to the tractor your self until after you have this issue settled.

 

[patrick_g]

I would definetly not drop the oil pan myself. By all means go to the general manager and tell him or her what happened. See what you can work out with them. If the GM wont make good then you should go to small claims court. Tell the judge exactly what you have told us that the sales person told there was absolutely nothing wrong with that tractor. If you have another shop give an estimate of what is wrong with it take that to the judge. If you take the oil pan off the sales person can make the statement it was working fine when you bought it and he has no idea what damage you caused while the oil pan was off. Having a qualified service person take the pan off for troubleshooting purposes is much different than doing it yourself. I would not do anything to the tractor your self until after you have this issue settled.

Once again I find myself in agreement with Gemini.

GOOD ADVICE.

You were played for a sucker and need to take some proactive steps to even the score a bit. If they said there is nothing wrong with the tractor they are tacitly claiming knowledge, and giving an expert opinion of persons experienced in the business and should stand behind their representation. On the other hand if they said they know of nothing wrong with the tractor they are claiming ignorance and that is different. Of course if they are experienced professionals the claim of ignorance may be a bit shaky.

The sleaze factor seems to be very high on the part of the seller and with any degree of fairness on the part of a judge you should get a reasonable degree of satisfaction. You may find the sleazeballs are more inclined to try to "cost share" with you rather than come under a bright light of scrutiny in court.

Beware, of rushing to judgment and accepting any "deals" to settle out of court. Settling out of court is OK if and only if you get what is fairly coming to you. It is likely they are well practiced in this game and will offer to share a cost so inflated by them that your half may still give them a profit, taking you for a "tractor ride" a second time while pretending to be doing you a favor.

You need to be flexible. Remember if a deal seems to good to be true it just may be too good to be true. So along these lines and presenting flexible alternatives you should consider offering to settle for their refunding 100% of the purchase price and your returning the tractor in lieu of repairing the ractor such that it is as good as their expert claims made prior to money changing hands. Let them choose from among: 1. take tractor back and refund 100%, 2. fix the tractor to the condition represented prior to sale, or going to court and taking their chances.

I am NOT A LAWYER, did not stay in a Holiday Inn recently, and don't practice arbitration professionally BUT I am not a stranger to certain legal proceedings which I have observed. A word of advice: Don't be too one sided in court. Ask for a fair result that is fair to all parties, given the circumstances.

Good luck, man. I hope you get a reasonable resolution of your situation.

Pat

 

[irwin]

Most likely you'd spent an afternoon doing that. Might save you serious money..if not you've get some experience...All this after you try to resolve the issue with seller/GM etc.

I would definetly not drop the oil pan myself. By all means go to the general manager and tell him or her what happened. See what you can work out with them. If the GM wont make good then you should go to small claims court. Tell the judge exactly what you have told us that the sales person told there was absolutely nothing wrong with that tractor. If you have another shop give an estimate of what is wrong with it take that to the judge. If you take the oil pan off the sales person can make the statement it was working fine when you bought it and he has no idea what damage you caused while the oil pan was off. Having a qualified service person take the pan off for troubleshooting purposes is much different than doing it yourself. I would not do anything to the tractor your self until after you have this issue settled.

I don't think anyone suggested you do anything until you resolve the responsibility question.....However if it came down to it, and I had to eat the problem on a machine I bought "as is" from an individual (I assume this is the case?...if the sale wasn't an "as is" sale that's another issue)..and the threat of litigation got you nowhere.... I'd do it myself rather than pay more than a token amount. Just my 2 cents

When you put this into the court system it could take way too long for me..I'd want my tractor running not rotting. Once again "just my 2 cents"

 

[MLD]

Idiot light update:

It's 9:00 am monday morning and I've just made an appointment with the general manager of all the tractor stores in this chain for a face to face as soon as I can get there.

I have little faith that something will be done but I'm going through the motions anyway. I'm really hoping to get some reduction in the repair price and that the weight of this site and at last count the 65 replies and 2915 views will make a difference.

I'll be reporting back as soon as something concrete is known.

MLD the "Angry Idiot"

 

[Soundguy]

Good luck. Sleazy dealers just don't belong..

soundguy

 

[greggh]

Good luck and hopfully it is not the dealership, just one individual, and it will be made right.

 

[Soundguy]

The manager is a representative of the dealership.. it reflects badly on the entire organization and parent company when people pull this stuff.

soundguy