1 Ton Dump Truck for Personal Use

[Reg]

Reg,

I was at a CDL driver's meeting about 2 years ago and they told me med card for 17K GVWR operated in state. If it goes out of state for commerce it drops way down in weight.

I think in PA he won't be required to have a med card for a 10K truck. I had an F-450 at 15,000lbs and was never asked to produce a med card at routine traffic stops.

The o/p's sig line says eastern mass and NY state, so I was guessing that he or family and property are scattered across the line.

Back around October of last year Mass started to get in line with federal and other states on inspections, which basically translated to anything over 10K GVW now has to have the full commercial vehicle inspection; carry chocks, flares, fire ex, etc. (& why wouldn't anyone ?) so that includes just about all duallies - -
I don't know about those SRW 1 tons deals, those seem kinda phishie to me.
As I understand it the med card is all/only about the vehicle's capacity and nothing about commercial/private use or plate type.
If he gets down to CT and goes through the Union weigh station they will give him "clarification" on all this - - and everything else.
A common sight down there is 1/2 and 3/4 ton trucks with 12K or 14K trailers carrying a mini ex. Guys on cell phones calling everyone they know to come and get their load with a bigger truck and/or trailer (I assume).

Union CT is NOT a "routine traffic stop" it isn't even a "routine weigh station".
I've had easier times crossing the country borders in Europe (-:

 

[crashz]

The o/p's sig line says eastern mass and NY state, so I was guessing that he or family and property are scattered across the line.

Back around October of last year Mass started to get in line with federal and other states on inspections, which basically translated to anything over 10K GVW now has to have the full commercial vehicle inspection; carry chocks, flares, fire ex, etc. (& why wouldn't anyone ?) so that includes just about all duallies - -
I don't know about those SRW 1 tons deals, those seem kinda phishie to me.
As I understand it the med card is all/only about the vehicle's capacity and nothing about commercial/private use or plate type.
If he gets down to CT and goes through the Union weigh station they will give him "clarification" on all this - - and everything else.
A common sight down there is 1/2 and 3/4 ton trucks with 12K or 14K trailers carrying a mini ex. Guys on cell phones calling everyone they know to come and get their load with a bigger truck and/or trailer (I assume).

Union CT is NOT a "routine traffic stop" it isn't even a "routine weigh station".
I've had easier times crossing the country borders in Europe (-:

Yep -you're right. I live in eastern MA near Boston, and we have land in western MA and upstate NY.

I bought a truck yesterday. 1986 GMC K35 diesel (6.2L yay!), auto, 4x4, with all new body panels. And a new cab. Frame is in good shape. Tire are good. Thr truck runs well but needs typical maintenance, especially the gow plug system. Fortunately I have many parts and more experience than I care to remember with the beloved 6.2L diesel. However for a truck that will see some highway mileage and that is NOT a daily driver, the 6.2L is a good choice. I'll have to get pics next weekend as its in Pittsfield. Actually I want to clean it up a bit for pics first. Its not perfect but got a lot of potential. Price was very fair too.

The former owner helped clarify the regs. The trucks has to be registered commercial in MA. It is probably best to obtain a Fed DOT number (especially for crossing state borders) however trucks at or over 10,001 lbs must have a federal (six month?) inspection sticker, and this is an 1986 K35 with a GVWR of 10,000 so it only need the yearly $29 MA safety inpsection. At the 10K lbs limit, the truck does not have to be lettered up for a business. All other "CDL truck" safety equipment I will carry regardless of requirements or not. Its just good practice to do so.

 

[Builder]

Amazing how regs are different state to state. NY state sounds like a real PITA to deal with compared to PA (which I thought was a PITA to deal with)

 

[smithrngr]

ny is a real pita do deal withi even have comerical plates and my f-250 weighted for only 9,000lb's.and the dot can and will yank you and check if you are hauling a load,we don't need chocks or anything like that.you can have pass plates but if you are cought with over 500lbs in the bed instant ticket for overload or hauling anything heavy.ask one of my friends he thought he was being smart and trying to not pay the high price for his reg and got nailed and it only cost him 300.00 to get out of it. where my plates cost my 120.00 for 2 years maby next time he will listen.i have a class a cdl but think you can a truck with no cdl with weight up to 25,000 or 26,00lbs before needing any cdl.my insurance has always been lower with com plates because the consider it a work truck is what they told me. the dot and state police have started nailing you if you have a uncovered load in the back,ie dirt mulch sand garbage stone because they say it can and will fly out and i agree with them mulch does fly pretty good, dump trucks to pick ups are getting tickests for the i see it all the time and just laugh.

 

[radioman]

yes NYS is PITA for registration and inspections.

 

[rvaitor]

I bought a refuse dump truck last month have about $4500 in it. Hope to use it for a while and sell it. I had a lot of trash left on the property and just couldn't bring myself to pay someone to load and haul it off. It was a county truck - pretty well maintained.

It a 96 F700 140K miles 7 litre engine, and I believe since it's single axle and electric brakes, a CDL is not required. I've put about 400 miles on it and so far it's been great. I have a few more loads and I'll see if one of the neighbors needs it and let it go. There are so many chicken houses around it might be good for moving chicken feed.

 

[Groo]

I've never heard of a DOT card for over 10k before. How could you rent a Uhaul without one then?
so I looked it up, and found this under fmcsa FAQ


"8. Are CMV drivers who operate in interstate commerce required to have a medical certificate? 129

Drivers are required to have a DOT Medical Certificate:

If they operate a motor vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR), gross combination weight rating (GCWR), gross vehicle weight (GCW), or gross combination weight (GCW) of 4,536 kilograms or more in interstate commerce.

If they operate a motor vehicle designed or used to transport more than 15 passengers (including the driver) in interstate commerce.

If they operate a motor vehicle designed or used to transport between 9 and 15 passengers, for direct compensation, beyond 75 air miles from the driver's normal work-reporting location, in interstate commerce

If they transport hazardous materials, in a quantity requiring placards, in interstate commerce.

CFR 49 Part 391.41

CFR 49 Part 390.5"

notice the 10k lbs limit is for interstate comerce. I'd think you'd be fine for personal use up to the 26k non-CDL limit

 

[Duffster]

I bought a refuse dump truck last month have about $4500 in it. Hope to use it for a while and sell it. I had a lot of trash left on the property and just couldn't bring myself to pay someone to load and haul it off. It was a county truck - pretty well maintained.

It a 96 F700 140K miles 7 litre engine, and I believe since it's single axle and electric brakes, a CDL is not required. I've put about 400 miles on it and so far it's been great. I have a few more loads and I'll see if one of the neighbors needs it and let it go. There are so many chicken houses around it might be good for moving chicken feed.

CDL Requirements start at 26k

It has nothing to do with how many axles or what type of brakes, even if you electric

I've never heard of a DOT card for over 10k before. How could you rent a Uhaul without one then?
so I looked it up, and found this under fmcsa FAQ


"8. Are CMV drivers who operate in interstate commerce required to have a medical certificate? 129

Drivers are required to have a DOT Medical Certificate:

If they operate a motor vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR), gross combination weight rating (GCWR), gross vehicle weight (GCW), or gross combination weight (GCW) of 4,536 kilograms or more in interstate commerce.

If they operate a motor vehicle designed or used to transport more than 15 passengers (including the driver) in interstate commerce.

If they operate a motor vehicle designed or used to transport between 9 and 15 passengers, for direct compensation, beyond 75 air miles from the driver's normal work-reporting location, in interstate commerce

If they transport hazardous materials, in a quantity requiring placards, in interstate commerce.

CFR 49 Part 391.41

CFR 49 Part 390.5"

notice the 10k lbs limit is for interstate comerce. I'd think you'd be fine for personal use up to the 26k non-CDL limit

Some states require you to meet FMCSA requirements even for intrastate commmerce, some have a 17k cutoff and some are the same as CDL requirements.

It may be easier to comply than to prove it is for personal use

 

[jimmysisson]

I think the goal is a unified national standard, so that trucking interstate does not involve complying with differing rules. The MA updates last fall affect our ｾ ton pickups with dump trailer loaded. We're getting around to complying...
Jim

 

[Harold_J]

Amazing how regs are different state to state. NY state sounds like a real PITA to deal with compared to PA (which I thought was a PITA to deal with)

Yes, NY can be a pain at times but in this case they seem to be similar to Mass. They want commercial plates on the dump truck and they're not that expensive. Actually NY is getting better in some respects. They used to want you to have a higher license for over 18K until just a few years ago. Now you can drive up to 26K straight truck or 36K trailer combo with a regular license, so they're now in-line with the normal CDL requirements.

Crashz was very lucky to find that 86 truck rated at 10,000 MGVW. That will eliminate all the DOT numbers and regs etc. I am holding onto a 1973 C35 Chev stake body dually that's in good shape for the same reason. I wish they would still sell a new truck like that 10K dually. They usually came new with Load Range D tires but haul a lot nicer than a SRW. 1986 must have been right around the cutoff when the duallys started going over 10k. Since they've now got the F450's and 4500's you would think they could offer a 350/3500 dually rated at 10K; I think there would be a market for it. GM seems to be concious of the DOT situation in NY, CA and other states is since they rate the SRW 3500 right at 9900#.

As someone else said I think we need more uniformity in the regs from state to state. 10,000 lbs is way too low to kick in all of those DOT regs. If I put 2 bins of pumpkins in my F350 pickup and drive from NY to PA the DOT stuff comes into play. In my opinion I think something in the range of 18,000-26,000 lbs would make more sense. And what is the big deal about crossing state lines, safe is safe and unsafe is unsafe.

I think they jumped on this 10K bandwagon in NY after the 9-11 terror attacks, but there has to be a better way for tracking these small trucks. (Or maybe it's a revenue maker??).