How much vehicle to tow Deere 410C Backhoe

[Red Horse]

Come to my neck of the woods. You will see it every single day.

Just last week I was in Austin TX and I saw a 2 guys leaving my hotel parking lot.

Truck 1 was a newer Dodge 3500 with a slide in camper, pulling a 35' camper, pulling a 23' Boston Whaler.

Truck 2 was a 08 or newer F-350 with a Polaris UTV in the bed, pulling a 35' camper, pulling a 20' car hauler with another UTV and 2 quads.

The guy across the street pulls his Case 560 BH to every job site with his SRW Ford F-350 and tri axle equipment trailer.


Chris

Sooo-truck 1 was a combination of a 3500 Mopar with camper, (oal 18'?) and its pulling a 35' camper AND that has a 23' BW hooked to it? In other words a double!! 18 + 35 + 23= 76'OAL!! Wow- they sure do things in a big way in Texas! And I didn't include tongue length. I won't get into truck 2 or the guy across the street-but I hope he has a lot of insurance and some kid on a bike doesn't run in front of him some day.

 

[Red Horse]

Red, I like your thoughts and agree on all. I drove a U model w/ 237 and 5 speed pulling a Elgin Pelican Sweeper on a 12 T tilt deck weighing 7K. If you can find a nice R model with a 300 9 speed, go for that. That is what I finished with (sold the business 15 years ago), it pulled way better (that is a technical term!

10-4 on the 9 speed. We had an operation that we bought that had a Ryder R-600 (688?) single axle tractor with a 285 Econodyne and a 9 speed RTX 9509. We bought out the lease and then sold the business about 4 years later. No one was giving me a fair price so I bought a new 10' Donovan and put a 20 ton pintle hook and air to the rear and we used it as a plant maintenance truck. I also bought a 10ton Eager Beaver and we used it to pull a 410E. Great combination. As a tractor, it had a used value of around 15-20 thousand. This truck would run circles around any new class 7 International, Pete or Ford 750 at about a third the cost. New is nice-but there are more cost effective alternatives.

 

[Red Horse]

The only place I see 1-ton trucks pulling full-sized TLB's is in television ads. It may be within the weight ratings of some trucks, but that doesn't make it a good idea. Pulling and stopping are two different things.

Right on Rick. I say the same thing when I see these ads -be they Ford-Mopar or GM and they have a good sized TLB hooked up. As for the guys that say its done all the time, This is one old guy that must be missing something-either that or they have no hills and only worry about going UP! Going down? Reminds me of the old joke about the two good ol boys in the sleeper. One guy is in the bunk, driver starts going down the mountain, heats his brakes, has nothing, misses a gear and he is free wheeling. He then yells out..."Leeroy-wake up-its your turn to drive!"

 

[David Devuono]

I am with Tcartwri, JCB makes backhoes with equal sized front and rear tires and has road speeds that would get you to your worksites in 20 minutes (at 62mph).

 

[Verticaltrx]

I agree with others that have said you need a class 6 or larger medium duty truck and 10-ton pintle hitch trailer of adequate length.

These new diesel trucks are getting a bit out of hand IMO, they may pull what they claim, but not easily, and certainly not day in and out in a commercial setting. Sure they may have huge amounts of torque, but not the suspension, deep gearing, brakes or frames to handle the type of loads they claim. I believe either this year or next SAE is going to take over trailer tow ratings (instead of the MFG) for pickups and I bet the ratings will drop considerably.

 

[Duffster]

With respect to Duff, each state's CDL laws are a bit different.

Any examples?

Sans CA, vehicle groups are the same for all states.

 

[Duffster]

Sort of. Depends how its plated, ect. But you know that.

Chris

We are not talking about farm or recreational use.

 

[Dmace]

These new diesel trucks are getting a bit out of hand IMO, they may pull what they claim, but not easily, and certainly not day in and out in a commercial setting. Sure they may have huge amounts of torque, but not the suspension, deep gearing, brakes or frames to handle the type of loads they claim.

I wonder if anyone who thinks these 1-ton trucks can't handle big loads have every even towed with a 1-ton.

Why does everyone think they can't stop big loads? Obviously you people don't realize that the TRAILER does the braking and not the TRUCK. With the trailer properly setup, the trailer brakes actually help slow the truck as well before the truck brakes even connect. When I have my dump trailer or camper hooked up, I can actually stop sooner and easier. It's easier on the truck brakes since they are being helped by the trailer brakes. Trust me, when the brakes hook up on a tri-axle goose neck, it will haul that trailer and truck to a stop immediately. The truck doesn't even need brakes with proper trailer brakes.
Today's 1-ton trucks would run circles around older class 5/6 trucks and YES they can get used commercially day in/day out. Plus it's a TON cheaper to maintain. Ever price out some 19.5 or 22.5 truck tires? How about a brake job or even an oil change?

 

[Lt CHEG]

I wonder if anyone who thinks these 1-ton trucks can't handle big loads have every even towed with a 1-ton.

Why does everyone think they can't stop big loads? Obviously you people don't realize that the TRAILER does the braking and not the TRUCK. With the trailer properly setup, the trailer brakes actually help slow the truck as well before the truck brakes even connect. When I have my dump trailer or camper hooked up, I can actually stop sooner and easier. It's easier on the truck brakes since they are being helped by the trailer brakes. Trust me, when the brakes hook up on a tri-axle goose neck, it will haul that trailer and truck to a stop immediately. The truck doesn't even need brakes with proper trailer brakes.
Today's 1-ton trucks would run circles around older class 5/6 trucks and YES they can get used commercially day in/day out. Plus it's a TON cheaper to maintain. Ever price out some 19.5 or 22.5 truck tires? How about a brake job or even an oil change?

I tend to agree with DMace. If I was starting a company from the ground up and I wasn't looking to haul anything heavier than a TLB like a JD 410, NH LB110, Case 580 or Cat 416, I would purchase a Ford F450 or F550 and have it set up to tow the load. I'd purchase a nice gooseneck trailer to go with it and call it a day. It may cost more up front for a newer F450 class truck than it than a used medium duty like an F600 or the like, but the maintenance and upkeep will be significantly less on the F450 class. I've even noticed that National Grid, the local utility is buying more and more F450 dump trucks because for a lot of their smaller jobs they don't need to haul and temporarily store large amounts of dirt and an F450 will do the job for less money up front and much less upkeep and maintenance than a medium duty chassis 6 wheel dump truck. Just because years ago the technology wasn't there to do a job with less truck, does not mean that we can't get by with less truck nowadays and do so safely and efficiently.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Sooo-truck 1 was a combination of a 3500 Mopar with camper, (oal 18'?) and its pulling a 35' camper AND that has a 23' BW hooked to it? In other words a double!! 18 + 35 + 23= 76'OAL!! Wow- they sure do things in a big way in Texas! And I didn't include tongue length. I won't get into truck 2 or the guy across the street-but I hope he has a lot of insurance and some kid on a bike doesn't run in front of him some day.

Its common around here. I have a small marine operation and there is a state campground and park 1/2 mile from the boat launch. Each and every weekend I see 6 or more double pulls. Usually a 3/4 diesel truck pulling a 35' camper and a 19-21' boat. Its common around here.

Those rigs I say in Texas were the first I had seen with a slide in camper added to the mix and a real load in the bed. Usually its just some bikes and firewood in the bed of the truck.


Chris