Unhooking pto with engine off?

[LastSTRAW]

Here is your reason (not a great one but the one I use) You leave the engine running because you need to raise or lower the 3 pt hitch to hook or unhook your equipment. You have one last thing to hook up and it is the PTO shaft. What do you do? Run around to the front of the tractor turn it off come to the back, hook it up, go back and restart? OR hook up the PTO and drive away?

The first is saferr the second is faster. I do both depending on the situation If I don't need the 3 pt hitch to lift, the tractor is normally off.

 

[Soundguy]

yep.. I do the same. use the 3pt to help move things when hitching or un hitching.. again.. all what feels comfortable to the individual.

frankly I think it takes nads these days is to hop in a small car like a 'smart' or similar and drive around town with 9gallons of highly flamable liquid a few feet from your body, with less engine and acceleration under the hood than the average kids avt or dirtbike, and setting at a level where you can see the UNDERSIDE of the bed of the average 1 ton truck, and their trailer hitch is about at your head level

now that takes nads!

soundguy

 

[JHTFarmer]

This is a traumatic PTO amputation I took care of a couple of years ago. He was drilling fence post holes and the auger shaft was uncovered. The photo was taken minutes after we got him in the OR. Still has a tightly bound tourniquet on. Notice the bruising on the upper arm. The floppy spaghetti strings down below are nerves, they pulled out of the forearm. The shaft broke the humerus like a pencil lead. Whole thing happened in an instant. The guy said it didn't even hurt when it happened. Just felt like he got pushed real hard. They brought the elbow/forearm/hand in on ice. Not a chance in **** that could have been sewed back on.

 

[Soundguy]

And?

I can post some horriffic car accident photo's.....and yet I still drive to work...

life's not easy or safe.

Just to be clear though as it sounds like you brought an 'orange' to the 'apple' comparison contest.

Was your guy standing or working near that 'running' fence post auger? or was he standing next to a non running auger, when the clutch fell down, pto shifter snapped back, and then clutch jumped back up and the pto suddenly engaged, catching him off guard as a moment ago he had been standing next to a non moving shaft?

well?

soundguy

 

[JHTFarmer]

I give up. Some people just won't listen to reason and just argue just for the sake of arguing. You just can't fix stupid.

 

[Andrewnewy]

I don't really want to comment, as simply it's up to the operator what they want to do. I personally do it both ways, but what I did want to say, is working at a tractor dealership it's actually quiet amazing how many PTO clutch's we replace of all brands of tractor. I have seen them fail while tractors have been at idle with PTO's off. So it can happen, and mostly the operator is safe.
The most often time they fail is when the tractor is hot after it has been working (also the most common time to disconnect something)

The biggest danger with PTO's is once they grab hold your stuck and all it's going to do is wrap you up. Even at idle a PTO is still spinning at 100 rpm, so your talking less than a second for your body part to get mulched.

Really it's no different than wearing a seat belt, 99% of the time it doesn't make any difference , but that 1% when someone else hits you, it could save your life.

 

[cowski]

i have operated a tractor for 40 years and i have never had a pto start on its own ,even a electric one.i too have loaded dead and hurt people into helicopters and ambulances.but i am not recommending people not to drive.but i would recommend to everyone not to text and drive.running pto's are dangerous and deserve respect.i have hooked up pto's with the engine running and jhtfarmer you have not convinced me to stop.

 

[Soundguy]

I give up. Some people just won't listen to reason and just argue just for the sake of arguing. You just can't fix stupid.

calling me, whom I'm assuming you are refering to, stupid, is patently offensive.

stupidity is the lack of intelegence.

I don't lack intelegence.

Doing soemthing dangerous is not specifically stupid by definition.

I'm fully aware of the risks.

jumping out of a good airplane with some rope and silk on my back.. seems dangerous.. but not stupid..

our military do it all the time.. i don't think they are stupid.. I think they are aware of the risks and doing it anyway.

Just because someone does not agree 100% with what you say does not make them stupid, nor does it mean they will not 'listen' to reason.

I'm listening, I'm just choosing to make a different choice than YOU -want- ME to.

I'm not arguing for the sake of arguing. I'm exercising my point of view, and right to not be a clone of you, and think exactly like you do. IE.. I'm a self aware and self guided individual. Not a robot clone that thinks and says the same thoughts and words that exit your mind/mouth/keyboard.

I've had heart problems... I don't drink or smoke. That doesn't mean that my free will to not drink or smoke should overide someone else's free will to do so... reguardless of the fact that i think it's dangerous and has bad long term implications to their life. They are aware of the risks, and choose to do so.

as long as everything is in the open an on the table... it's nothing more than a 'choice' to do something or not do something.

Please don't call me stupid again.. because my brain waves are not duplicates of yours.

soundguy

 

[SPYDERLK]

This is a traumatic PTO amputation I took care of a couple of years ago. He was drilling fence post holes and the auger shaft was uncovered. The photo was taken minutes after we got him in the OR. Still has a tightly bound tourniquet on. Notice the bruising on the upper arm. The floppy spaghetti strings down below are nerves, they pulled out of the forearm. The shaft broke the humerus like a pencil lead. Whole thing happened in an instant. The guy said it didn't even hurt when it happened. Just felt like he got pushed real hard. They brought the elbow/forearm/hand in on ice. Not a chance in **** that could have been sewed back on.

I give up. Some people just won't listen to reason and just argue just for the sake of arguing. You just can't fix stupid.

For some reason you are failing to display an understanding of the difference between spinning and stationary shafts. To you they apparently equate in some way.
larry

 

[Soundguy]

For some reason you are failing to display an understanding of the difference between spinning and stationary shafts. To you they apparently equate in some way.
larry

watch out larry.. you'll be dubbed 'stupid' next, for pointing out the obvious facts of the matter....

i've got no dog in this hunt. I do what i do, and seeing a picture won't change my mind much. again.. I've seen horrific car accidents.. yet i manage to force myself to dive to work every day.. because i sure as heck ain't walking

JHT is failing to recognize the difference between 'informed decision' and 'ignorance'.. if one is ignorant of certain facts, and gets hurt, it's a different matter philosophically vs one who is aware of the danger and gets hurt.

I wouldn't want to drive a car around a circle at over a hundred miles an hour whizzing past and thru other cars... but I don't begrudge jimmy johnson from doing so.... I think it's dangerous... the potential for loss of life for MANY people is constant, however.. I don't for a minute think any of the drivers are ignorant or stupid... merely informed and proceding...

soundguy