PTO driven generator

[Soundguy]

That could cause some expensive legal problems down the road as heating oil doesn't have the road taxes levied on it, and has the dye in it to stain your filters so the feds can identify folks avoiding the taxes.

From a practical point of view, I'd have to agree with your decision to do so 100%. It's all diesel fuel, and the furnace isn't any good without electricity to run the burner and pumps.

Of course, unlike any of the Feds and many State folks, I consider tractors to be mobile power sources, and not vehicles.

in florida when it gets bad, the state lets you do this and run dyed diesel on the road, and then send inthe taxes, many times diesel was hard to find.. the clear stuff anyway.

people were draining tractor tanks for weeks to get around.

soundguy

 

[DK35vince]

That could cause some expensive legal problems down the road as heating oil doesn't have the road taxes levied on it, and has the dye in it to stain your filters so the feds can identify folks avoiding the taxes.

I believe he was using the home heating oil to run his tractor/PTO generator.
No need to pay road use tax.

 

[aczlan]

That could cause some expensive legal problems down the road as heating oil doesn't have the road taxes levied on it, and has the dye in it to stain your filters so the feds can identify folks avoiding the taxes.

If the tractor is not driven extensively on the road, there shouldn't be any issues with using offroad fuel. Farmers do it in their tractors all of the time.

Aaron Z

 

[daybreak1998]

That could cause some expensive legal problems down the road as heating oil doesn't have the road taxes levied on it, and has the dye in it to stain your filters so the feds can identify folks avoiding the taxes.

From a practical point of view, I'd have to agree with your decision to do so 100%. It's all diesel fuel, and the furnace isn't any good without electricity to run the burner and pumps.

Of course, unlike any of the Feds and many State folks, I consider tractors to be mobile power sources, and not vehicles.

Howdy,
You have them mixed up.

Off-road diesel fuel = dyed red because road taxes are NOT paid on it.

Fuel oil = home heating fuel dyed red, but taxes paid. Not road taxes, but it was still taxed. This is the fuel he siphoned out and used. A lot of times it might be exactly the same, and sometimes it has a less lubricity and detergents than motor type fuel. Somes times a delivery truck will fill your off-road farm tank, and go over and fill a home heating oil tank from the same container. But, the home heating oil is taxed.

IRS tax man = you do not mess with the tax man. The same thing when you only run taxed clear diesel in your tractors and such. You add it up, and apply for a rebate of the road taxes of fuel purchased. Yes, it is a lot easier to have your own tank and buy off-road diesel (ULSD <15ppm)dyed red to run machinery.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

A lot of times it might be exactly the same, and sometimes it has a less lubricity and detergents than motor type fuel.

Ever since they went to low sulfur diesel fuel, I have been running a 100:1 mix of 2-cycle oil in my tractor. I also give it a shot of injector cleaner every 40 or 50 hours.

 

[Soundguy]

i power service all my diesels.. especually with this new fuel..

 

[daybreak1998]

i power service all my diesels.. especually with this new fuel..

Howdy,
Same here. Every time they fill the bulk tank, I put in something. (Diesel service white, or silver) depending on the time of year.

 

[JB4310]

I just put PS in my truck with the last fill up, and lost 10% on mileage :confused2:

This is the newest one out in the silver (I think) bottle, I even called the company to talk to an engineer there to make sure it would not harm my diesel particulate filter.

He assured me it wouldn't and that it would boost cetane, power and MPGs.
Right away I thought it sounded a little better/smoother but the mpgs started dropping. The only thing I can think of is that maybe they changed over to winter diesel at the pump, that's why the mpgs went down?

JB

 

[LBrown59]

Howdy,
You have them mixed up.
Off-road diesel fuel = dyed red because road taxes are NOT paid on it.
Fuel oil = home heating fuel dyed red, but taxes paid.
Yes, it is a lot easier to have your own tank and buy off-road diesel (ULSD <15ppm)dyed red to run machinery.

Off road is on road with red dye and no tax.
HHO is on road with red dye and no tax.
Here is my tank .

Ever since they went to low sulfur diesel fuel, I have been running a 100:1 mix of 2-cycle oil in my tractor. I also give it a shot of injector cleaner every 40 or 50 hours.

No need to run 2-cycle oil because sulfur never was a lubricant anyway.

 

[LBrown59]

1*We could not get fuel for several days so fuel oil was siphoned from the furnace.

1* That's what I'd use in my tractors too if I were you cause it is it the same thing as diesel .

1* Fuel oil siphoned from the furnace could cause some expensive legal problems down the road as
2* heating oil doesn't have the road taxes levied on it, 3*and has the dye in it to stain your filters so the feds can identify folks avoiding the taxes.
Of course, unlike any of the Feds and many State folks,
4*I consider tractors to be mobile power sources, and not vehicles.

1*No it can't if used off road.
2*That's cause there is no highway taxes on it because it's used off road .
Makes sense to me seeing as how you can't drive a house down the road.
3*The poster wasn't avoiding any taxes cause none were due.
4*Don't make any difference as the fuel isn't used on the road.

 

[daybreak1998]

Off road is on road with red dye and no tax.
HHO is on road with red dye and no tax.
Here is my tank .

No need to run 2-cycle oil because sulfur never was a lubricant anyway.

Howdy,
Your wrong.

Home Heating fuel is NOT always diesel #2 dyed.

On a very strict measure
Home heating fuel can be a lesser grade. and its TAXED
Current day status = Off road diesel is 15ppm or lower. dyed red, NO-TAX (although you still might find some LSD 500ppm red diesel)
Road diesel 15ppm or lower can be straight diesel, or a BIO blend called B2, or B5, B10 etc... the number is the percentage of BIO in the diesel.

Sulphur is a lubricant.

 

[Dana Warner]

There definitely was a difference between normal diesel and home heating oil. My Kubota smoked continuously when it burned the heating oil. The normal diesel is back in it and the smoke is gone.

 

[Soundguy]

i always thought sulphur as a lube was in high heat, high pressure environments involving sliding gears? and in a fuel sulphur was a contaminate.. and that the process to remove the sulphur had the side effect of lowering the fuel lubricity?

soundguy

 

[daybreak1998]

Howdy,
Diesel Fuel= comes in many forms
All comments are by today's current standards
Road Diesel= clear, sometimes a greenish tint. 40 or better cetane. known as road tax applied. currently known as ULSD 15ppm or less

Older diesel was LSD 500ppm or less

Off road diesel= ULSD 15ppm or less, no road taxes paid. dyed red

some still might find some LSD 500ppm being sold. it should all be gone by now. Yes, some industries call for it (Locomotives)

Home Heating Fuel= usually does not have the added lubricty additives etc. Dyed RED, but is taxed. TAX is because of use. NOT road tax, but your usual tax. Because the price of Off-road diesel could go under the price of Heating Fuel, a bulk delivery could put off-road diesel in your house heating tank. Dyed red, but taxes are paid due to its use. I have scene a delivery truck fill a farm tank (off-road diesel) and a home heating tank out of the same section from the tanker. Farm use NO-TAX, and the Home heating fuel TAXED. A normal delivery of heating fuel could be diesel #1, also might not have any fungicide additives also.

Red Dye= is in the fuel to show no road taxes paid. If the DOT straws your tank (Regular pickup etc) and pulls any red color out, you are in big trouble. Your messing with the IRS and taxes.

so, in summary
road taxes paid, clear diesel
taxes paid, heating use, dyed red
no taxes paid, farm use (off-road) dyed red

 

[Larry Caldwell]

Home Heating Fuel= usually does not have the added lubricty additives etc. Dyed RED, but is taxed. TAX is because of use. NOT road tax, but your usual tax.

Are you talking about sales tax? Oregon doesn't have one, and home heating oil is certainly not taxed.

 

[daybreak1998]

Are you talking about sales tax? Oregon doesn't have one, and home heating oil is certainly not taxed.

Howdy,
OK, Oregon is a stand out. The rest of the world is taxed to death....

Here is a really nice info notice on someones website about home heating fuel and off road diesel.
Diesel vs Home Heating Fuel

 

[Larry Caldwell]

Yeah, if someone wants to run #6 heating oil in their generator, they better be running a Lister diesel engine. A Lister will burn anything. It's interesting to note that heavier oils will also give more power in modern diesel engines, but it makes them hard to start and may result in higher head temperatures.

 

[RoyJackson]

Yeah, if someone wants to run #6 heating oil in their generator, they better be running a Lister diesel engine. A Lister will burn anything. It's interesting to note that heavier oils will also give more power in modern diesel engines, but it makes them hard to start and may result in higher head temperatures.

A Lister would be a good power source for a genny, if you can get the RPM up to a required speed (using a gearbox or belts).
Very simple, low maintenance engines...