why one should ALWAYS carry your weapon

[duke7595]

Folks,

First I want to make my intentions clear. I am all for the right to carry, and we must continue to protect this right.

My point was that if a man is trained as a carpenter he will build your house as it should be built, solid and square not skipping things a novice may do because, first he is not trained and does not do carpenter work on a daily bases.

This also pertains to well trained policeman (not a political appointee) as I have seen a few times to many.. NOTE: A policeman during a crisis (high stress situation) reverts back to his training. It is called mussel memory. mussel memory comes from training and everyday experiences.

Also, a civilian is not protected by law in most states against prosecution, such as the poor guy in N.H. for firing a warning shot. Please, for all the guys on this site WARNING SHOTS ARE NOT ALLOWED as far as I know, why ? because stray bullets are just that, STRAY.

Do I feel a civilian should help someone in trouble ? YES by all means if a man has a knife and is about to plunge it into another human being causing that human serious harm or death
, another person has the right to stop the man with the knife. WARNING,BE VERY VERY SURE USING GOOD COMMON SENSE BEFORE YOU ACT.

SUICIDE: This may shock some. I have seen suicides perpetrated in some of the most bizarre ways you can only Imagine. A few were so gruesome that even some veteran cops were shocked and had to leave for a few minutes. and these victims did not use a gun. I investigated quite a few suicides where hanging was their choice, electrocution was also used to name just a few.
In my area, I would have to say that shooting was used in approx. 40 to 60 percent. I cannot go into detail on how some of these suicides were conducted as someone reading this may have had a loved one involved and by me detailing the incident would serve no purpose.

In conclusion, if you find yourself in a situation such as the waffle house incident, only take action if there is no other way. Many states do not protect the citizen against prosecution, and unfortunately to many well intention-ed souls are imprisoned for doing what they felt was their duty.
You must remember there are so many gray areas concerning this subject, and the states, all different definitions in this subject.

Sincerely, Duke

 

[duke7595]

DABSGT,

Excellent point, I love the train thing. And you are spot on about Hollywood, and people thinking thats how it is.

As a active Policeman you know the real deal and I appreciate your comment.
Remember brother, watch your back.


sincerely, Duke

 

[DABSGT]

With a little luck I to will join your ranks and have more time for important things my wife and my tractor.

Enjoy
David

 

[TripleR]

Folks,

First I want to make my intentions clear. I am all for the right to carry, and we must continue to protect this right.

My point was that if a man is trained as a carpenter he will build your house as it should be built, solid and square not skipping things a novice may do because, first he is not trained and does not do carpenter work on a daily bases.

This also pertains to well trained policeman (not a political appointee) as I have seen a few times to many.. NOTE: A policeman during a crisis (high stress situation) reverts back to his training. It is called mussel memory. mussel memory comes from training and everyday experiences.

Also, a civilian is not protected by law in most states against prosecution, such as the poor guy in N.H. for firing a warning shot. Please, for all the guys on this site WARNING SHOTS ARE NOT ALLOWED as far as I know, why ? because stray bullets are just that, STRAY.

Do I feel a civilian should help someone in trouble ? YES by all means if a man has a knife and is about to plunge it into another human being causing that human serious harm or death
, another person has the right to stop the man with the knife. WARNING,BE VERY VERY SURE USING GOOD COMMON SENSE BEFORE YOU ACT.

SUICIDE: This may shock some. I have seen suicides perpetrated in some of the most bizarre ways you can only Imagine. A few were so gruesome that even some veteran cops were shocked and had to leave for a few minutes. and these victims did not use a gun. I investigated quite a few suicides where hanging was their choice, electrocution was also used to name just a few.
In my area, I would have to say that shooting was used in approx. 40 to 60 percent. I cannot go into detail on how some of these suicides were conducted as someone reading this may have had a loved one involved and by me detailing the incident would serve no purpose.

In conclusion, if you find yourself in a situation such as the waffle house incident, only take action if there is no other way. Many states do not protect the citizen against prosecution, and unfortunately to many well intention-ed souls are imprisoned for doing what they felt was their duty.
You must remember there are so many gray areas concerning this subject, and the states, all different definitions in this subject.

Sincerely, Duke

Agree completely and would recommend additional training beyond the basic concealed carry courses as in Missouri they are very basic. While shooting on the range is better than nothing, proper professional training can not be beat and will be well worth the investment not only at the time of the incident, but any legal inquiries.

My wife has shot for years, but she has gone through the CCW class (range portion" twice and gotten additional training, fortunately my son is an instructor.

Also keep in mind your level of competence as shooting skills like any deteriorate if not kept up and I am guilty of this myself as my ability has declined quite a bit since my retirement. What I would do today is different than four years ago.

I'm no expert, so take it for what it's worth.

 

[texasjohn]

I only speculate since I am neither a lawyer nor aware of any specifics of New Hampshire law.

I can see that, legally, there might be two different legal events here.

The burglar was at a NEIGHBOR'S home, thus not threatening the neighboring grandfather/home owner who fired into the ground. Perhaps the LEO are required to CHARGE the grandfather since he DID fire in the neighborhood of another person who was not threatening HIM and to let the rest of the legal system sort out the reasonableness and legality of the CHARGE. When a round is discharged in the direction of someone but misses, it is hard to determine the intent of the discharge, particularly when the grandfather was MAD because he had just found his OWN home had been burgled.

The burglar WAS found in possession of drugs and CHARGED with two counts of burglary, presumably one of the grandfather's home and one for the neighbor's home. The legal system, presumably, will deal more harshly with the burglar than the grandfather.

We can hope so. Just saying, the LEO's may be doing their job and letting the legal system do its job, even if the situation on the surface does not warrant charging the grandfather because no harm was done. Had harm been done, since the burglar was not reported to have been armed, or THREATENING him, it would have been a different matter.

 

[2manyrocks]

I may be mistaken, but I thought the Grandfather said he was fearful that the burglar was going to attack him and so he shot in the ground for that reason.

I suppose the story illustrates some of the legal hazards of intervening in a crime, even though the report implies that the burglar had already been in the Grandfather's house. But as I understand the law, you can't use deadly force against a burglar just because he's a burglar. Instead, you must have a reason to believe that your own life is in danger before using deadly force. Shooting into the ground might be considered deadly force in New Hampshire.

 

[texasjohn]

Who knows what exactly happened, would need video recording with audio to establish that....

Paper said, "I didn't think I could handle this guy physically, so I fired into the ground,"

Read more: New Hampshire Man Arrested For Firing Gun Into Ground While Catching Suspected Burglar | Fox News

I, do, however, totally agree with your analysis of the situation, 2manyrocks, regarding when use of deadly force is "justified."

If one pulls a weapon and fires it, LEO's are likely to act on the side of caution and charge someone rather than act as judge/jury and not do so.

Grandfather apparently accosted burglar off of his own property and initiated the confrontation while burglar was climbing out neighbor's window..."freeze" and "warning shot"....rather than the burglar confronting him. . ..yes, there were mitigating circumstances, but am unsure legally the path that determines liability in New Hampshire.
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[RoyJackson]

From the linked article:

County Attorney Tom Velardi told Foster's Daily Democrat he will review the case and determine if the charge against Fleming is appropriate under the state statutes regarding self-defense and defense of property.​

Read more: New Hampshire Man Arrested For Firing Gun Into Ground While Catching Suspected Burglar | Fox News ​

Any one seen a follow up to this article?
I'm going to guess the County Attorney will drop the charges, but would like to read how this played out.​

 

[Bird]

I may be mistaken, but I thought the Grandfather said he was fearful that the burglar was going to attack him and so he shot in the ground for that reason.

I suppose the story illustrates some of the legal hazards of intervening in a crime, even though the report implies that the burglar had already been in the Grandfather's house. But as I understand the law, you can't use deadly force against a burglar just because he's a burglar. Instead, you must have a reason to believe that your own life is in danger before using deadly force. Shooting into the ground might be considered deadly force in New Hampshire.

I'm sure glad Texas law isn't that particular about protecting criminals.:laughing:

Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:
(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and
(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.

 

[RadarTech]

I'm sure glad Texas law isn't that particular about protecting criminals.:laughing:

(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.

This last line sounds just like a military use: deadly force is authorized to prevent the theft of materials that is inherently dangerous to others.

Or at least my ole Brain housing group remembers it that way...

Of course the 12th General Order is to used..
"To walk my post from flank to flank and take no manure from any rank"


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