Trailer big enough for 50HP tractor? Quick sanity check

[newbury]

It's time I started looking for my next tractor. This one will be more general farm use than my B7610 (using for wood trails, food plots). Criteria I'm filtering selection with are:
I want to be able to buy a Woods sub frame for my BH70-X.
I want more than 40HP
I want a loader
I want 4x4
I'd like to be able to fit it on my present trailer (Hudson 18' including a 2' dovetail, 6 ton GVWR) with the FEL on, but not necessarily the BH or anything else.

For example a Kioti DK55 specs say it's just over 11' long w/ 3pt, I figure it would fit w/ the FEL over the trailer tongue.

Am I thinking in the right ballpark?

There's only about 20 models that are over 40HP that fit my first FOUR criteria.

So how much tractor length does the TBN community think I can fit on a 16 foot flat portion of trailer w/ a 2' dovetail and about 4' over the trailer tongue if I HAVE to use it.

 

[Bigfoot62]

Just because it fits, doesn't mean it's a good idea.

Personally, I don't want the FEL sticking over the tongue. Makes the load unstable, and you can seriously mess up your tailgate!

But, the biggest factor will be weight capacity. Although you say that you don't intend to carry it with the BH attached, you may need to, and that would probably overload your trailer. The only thing worse than a blown trailer tire is a blown trailer tire with a load on it.

Something else to consider, with that much of a load on a tag-a-long trailer, the handling can get really hairy. You probably should just start looking for a 24' goose-neck.

Just my :2cents:

 

[flyingcow]

My first thought was also the issue of being able to balance it. Usually if you put the bucket out over the tongue, it's gonna put too much weight on the pickup and hitch.

just curious, what size is the pickup? 1/2 ton? 3/4?

 

[Diamondpilot]

My Jinma 284, only 28 HP, will barely fit on a 16' trailer with the FEL and mower hanging 3' off the back. It hangs over a good foot on my 18' trailer.

You need more trailer.

Chris

 

[IronHog]

It's time I started looking for my next tractor. This one will be more general farm use than my B7610 (using for wood trails, food plots). Criteria I'm filtering selection with are:
I want to be able to buy a Woods sub frame for my BH70-X.
I want more than 40HP
I want a loader
I want 4x4
I'd like to be able to fit it on my present trailer (Hudson 18' including a 2' dovetail, 6 ton GVWR) with the FEL on, but not necessarily the BH or anything else.

For example a Kioti DK55 specs say it's just over 11' long w/ 3pt, I figure it would fit w/ the FEL over the trailer tongue.

Am I thinking in the right ballpark?

There's only about 20 models that are over 40HP that fit my first FOUR criteria.

So how much tractor length does the TBN community think I can fit on a 16 foot flat portion of trailer w/ a 2' dovetail and about 4' over the trailer tongue if I HAVE to use it.

Real world: If you are like most tractor owners and are just moving the tractor occasionally near home (not on serious inclines, high speeds, interstates, long distances, heavy traffic times, daily, etc.) you will be fine with your current setup (if you have trailer brakes) with good driving and some common sense. Might want to add some overload shocks or air bags to your pickup if tongue weight is a problem......

TBN world: You'll need a CDL, new kenworth, lowboy AT LEAST big enough to haul a D9, and escort vehicle to even THINK about approaching the culvert at the end of your drive........

 

[WilliamBos]

Real world: If you are like most tractor owners and are just moving the tractor occasionally near home (not on serious inclines, high speeds, interstates, long distances, heavy traffic times, daily, etc.) you will be fine with your current setup (if you have trailer brakes) with good driving and some common sense. Might want to add some overload shocks or air bags to your pickup if tongue weight is a problem......

TBN world: You'll need a CDL, new kenworth, lowboy AT LEAST big enough to haul a D9, and escort vehicle to even THINK about approaching the culvert at the end of your drive........

How true, especially the TBN World part!

 

[newbury]

Just because it fits, doesn't mean it's a good idea.
But, the biggest factor will be weight capacity. Although you say that you don't intend to carry it with the BH attached, you may need to, and that would probably overload your trailer. The only thing worse than a blown trailer tire is a blown trailer tire with a load on it.

Something else to consider, with that much of a load on a tag-a-long trailer, the handling can get really hairy. You probably should just start looking for a 24' goose-neck.

I've a relative's 24' (about) gooseneck about 2 miles down the road IF I need it. And the tractor weight I'm shooting for is 6K w/o FEL or BH (which weighs 800lb), so I figure 8K w/FEL max, plus 2K for the trailer on a 12K rated trailer.

just curious, what size is the pickup? 1/2 ton? 3/4?

The dually 2002 F350 4x4 in my sig, rated for 12.5K tow.

My Jinma 284, only 28 HP, will barely fit on a 16' trailer with the FEL and mower hanging 3' off the back. It hangs over a good foot on my 18' trailer.

You need more trailer.

Chris

The Jinma is 3.08m by 1.44m, the Kioti 3.26m by 1.76m, so the Kioti is about 0.18m (or 0.6 foot) longer. But I have no need to transport it on that trailer w/ a mower hanging off the back.

Real world: If you are like most tractor owners and are just moving the tractor occasionally near home (not on serious inclines, high speeds, interstates, long distances, heavy traffic times, daily, etc.) you will be fine with your current setup (if you have trailer brakes) with good driving and some common sense. Might want to add some overload shocks or air bags to your pickup if tongue weight is a problem......

That's what I was thinking. My dually has an upgraded tow package, it should be able to handle the tongue weight. The trailer has brakes on all 4 wheels.

The Kioti was about the highest HP that I found a subframe mount for on the Woods links I have. I expect the other tractors will be smaller.

From the responses it seems that it's readily doable. Thanks guys.

 

[IronHog]

I've a relative's 24' (about) gooseneck about 2 miles down the road IF I need it. And the tractor weight I'm shooting for is 6K w/o FEL or BH (which weighs 800lb), so I figure 8K w/FEL max, plus 2K for the trailer on a 12K rated trailer.

The dually 2002 F350 4x4 in my sig, rated for 12.5K tow.


The Jinma is 3.08m by 1.44m, the Kioti 3.26m by 1.76m, so the Kioti is about 0.18m (or 0.6 foot) longer. But I have no need to transport it on that trailer w/ a mower hanging off the back.


That's what I was thinking. My dually has an upgraded tow package, it should be able to handle the tongue weight. The trailer has brakes on all 4 wheels.

The Kioti was about the highest HP that I found a subframe mount for on the Woods links I have. I expect the other tractors will be smaller.

From the responses it seems that it's readily doable. Thanks guys.

If I had a dually and a 18' foot trailer I'd use that most of the time and borrow the gooseneck for more serious hauling.


Overhang isn't a big deal with proper safety precautions.... just look at a log truck. Or one of those delivery rigs with the ENTIRE machine handing off the back of the rig..........

 

[Bigfoot62]

Overhang isn't a big deal with proper safety precautions.... just look at a log truck. Or one of those delivery rigs with the ENTIRE machine handing off the back of the rig..........

You're talking apples and oranges. A log truck or a building material rig with a Spyder forklift hanging from the back of the trailer are Class 8 heavy trucks with trailers DESIGNED to be loaded that way. The OP is asking a question about towing a small utility trailer, loaded with a farm tractor, behind a pickup truck. (even if it is a 1 ton)
Also, it's not the overhang that's the problem, it's the balance of the load. If the trailer is tail-heavy, or even too tongue-heavy, it can become uncontrollable, regardless of whether or not it is overloaded.

 

[Bigfoot62]

I've a relative's 24' (about) gooseneck about 2 miles down the road IF I need it. And the tractor weight I'm shooting for is 6K w/o FEL or BH (which weighs 800lb), so I figure 8K w/FEL max, plus 2K for the trailer on a 12K rated trailer.

The dually 2002 F350 4x4 in my sig, rated for 12.5K tow.
. . .
From the responses it seems that it's readily doable. . .

Just a suggestion:
Weigh your truck and trailer empty. (get the weight of EACH axle)
Then, weigh again with the tractor, FEL, etc, loaded on the trailer. (again, each axle)
IIRC, you want about 10% of your gross (loaded) trailer weight on the hitch.
You might be surprised what it all weighs. (my '02 F-350 CC Dually weighs over 8,000 empty)

BTW, just because something might be "doable," doesn't mean it's a good idea. Just be careful and if it feels squirrelly, go 2 miles down the road and borrow the gooseneck. :thumbsup:

 

[IronHog]

You're talking apples and oranges. A log truck or a building material rig with a Spyder forklift hanging from the back of the trailer are Class 8 heavy trucks with trailers DESIGNED to be loaded that way. The OP is asking a question about towing a small utility trailer, loaded with a farm tractor, behind a pickup truck. (even if it is a 1 ton)
Also, it's not the overhang that's the problem, it's the balance of the load. If the trailer is tail-heavy, or even too tongue-heavy, it can become uncontrollable, regardless of whether or not it is overloaded.

Ya'll make up your minds.

Is the massive tongue weight going to destroy the back of the truck or is the (minimal if loaded properly) overhang of relatively lite attachments going to make him lose control?


I'm going to give the OP enough credit that he can get the weight of the tractor somewhere near the middle of the trailer........


I'd put that 50HP tractor (with no implements) behind my 1/2 ton on a no brake 16 foot utility trailer and haul it anywhere I wanted to go on a flat, two lane highway.

 

[RobertBrown]

My Jinma 284, only 28 HP, will barely fit on a 16' trailer with the FEL and mower hanging 3' off the back. It hangs over a good foot on my 18' trailer.

You need more trailer.

Chris

I agree.....

 

[flyingcow]

Ya'll make up your minds.

Is the massive tongue weight going to destroy the back of the truck or is the (minimal if loaded properly) overhang of relatively lite attachments going to make him lose control?


I'm going to give the OP enough credit that he can get the weight of the tractor somewhere near the middle of the trailer........


I'd put that 50HP tractor (with no implements) behind my 1/2 ton on a no brake 16 foot utility trailer and haul it anywhere I wanted to go on a flat, two lane highway.

Again Iron it's apples and oranges. I haul 100,000(+)lbs loads with 8 to 10ft overhangs. 65ft combined length. different operation.

Can he get the tractor weight somewhere in the middle? Maybe, but it might be a stretch.

I have hauled heavy loads behind a 1/2 ton pickup, with no trailer brakes. Wouldn't do it very often, because you can't stop in a reasonable distance. Or sometimes stop at all.

 

[IronHog]

I have hauled heavy loads behind a 1/2 ton pickup, with no trailer brakes. Wouldn't do it very often, because you can't stop in a reasonable distance. Or sometimes stop at all.

No different than a one ton pulling a massive 5th wheel down the interstate or a big truck loaded with oversized loads. You better watch your speed and closing distances no matter what you are hauling and what you are hauling with............

But I'm constantly amazed at the people on TBN that will spend tens of thousands of dollars for tow rigs/trailers to move relative modest modest tractors a few times per year.......

 

[DrRick]

i have a dk55 cab with loader. I think what you have will pull that just fine. That tractor is truly compact and easy to balance on my trailer, considering the hp and size.

 

[dstig1]

I have a Kubota L3130. It sounds like you would be looking at something similar, but with more HP, like an L5740 in the Kubota line (no Kioti dealers anywhere near here so not familiar with them). The L-series does not change significantly in size or weight from top to bottom of the line - just the engine, for the most part. I haul mine on a 16' 10k loboy. No problem on weight, even with loaded rears. It fits with the loader and my logging winch on the 3pt, but there is not a lot of wiggle room. I back it on as it balances much better that way, and any overhang (minimal) is off the rear then. Unless you are talking something significantly larger than I think you are, what you have described should work OK. Having more length to work with would be better, but you can get by especially if this is an occasional task/short haul for you. If you start hanging bushhogs/RFMs off the 3pt, you will have problems then for sure...

My $0.02.

 

[jeffsw6]

I think the important question is how often do you plan to haul it? Couple times a year, you may not hate yourself for not getting a longer trailer.

 

[flusher]

It's time I started looking for my next tractor. This one will be more general farm use than my B7610 (using for wood trails, food plots). Criteria I'm filtering selection with are:
I want to be able to buy a Woods sub frame for my BH70-X.
I want more than 40HP
I want a loader
I want 4x4
I'd like to be able to fit it on my present trailer (Hudson 18' including a 2' dovetail, 6 ton GVWR) with the FEL on, but not necessarily the BH or anything else.

For example a Kioti DK55 specs say it's just over 11' long w/ 3pt, I figure it would fit w/ the FEL over the trailer tongue.

Am I thinking in the right ballpark?

There's only about 20 models that are over 40HP that fit my first FOUR criteria.

So how much tractor length does the TBN community think I can fit on a 16 foot flat portion of trailer w/ a 2' dovetail and about 4' over the trailer tongue if I HAVE to use it.

You want about this much trailer to handle your load safely. That's my 2008 Mahindra 5525 (54 hp engine) being delivered. Everything fits without overhanging the hitch or dangling off the rear.



It's going to be expensive to do it right.

Good luck.

 

[IronHog]

You want about this much trailer to handle your load safely. That's my 2008 Mahindra 5525 (54 hp engine) being delivered. Everything fits without overhanging the hitch or dangling off the rear.

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It's going to be expensive to do it right.

Good luck.

That trailer would haul a 90 HP cab tractor and a big round baler with room to spare.......

No one needs a trailer designed to haul big tractors, backhoes, or even a small dozer to limp around a 50HP tractor a few times per year.

 

[Morning Wood]

I've got a 20' plus 2' beavertail Kaufman trailer. It fits my ford 1720 with a woods backhoe and Aldomi SSQA. I can also fit my land pride landscape rake on the trailer with the forks on the tractor. It's nice to have the extra deck length for dialing in the tongue weight just right. It's a 14k trailer.