Global Warming?

[Redneck in training]

Welcome to a corporate oligarchy, we gave corporations the rights of individuals and this is what we got for it. Pretty soon all the lobby money (read bribe) flowing into DC won't have to flow, they already own the government.

Rob

Do devil good, you will be rewarded by h*ll.

 

[EE_Bota]

Pat,
I read the article and I have some issues with it:

For one, we don't know that without eating meat man would NOT have survived as a species. I don't like the speculative premise of the "success" of man being attributed to meat eating. Meat eating might have allowed man procreate faster but that doesn't mean that without meat he would have died off or that he would not have expanded his geographical boundaries. This would have happened regardless whether he ate meat or not as that is the natural progression when food in a specific area can no longer support the population of that area.

I would think that when man went to an agrarian society his life and health would have increased,this, not his meat eating, is the main factor establishing the marked difference in his success.
As for the premise that man's brain size increased indirectly because he ate meat is a reach. There are so many variables that could contribute to his brain size increase that to site one condition is simply biased opinion. We could as easily say that man's brain size increased when he started making crude tools to extract roots from the ground or making and maintaining fire.

"Do Primitive Peoples Really Live Longer?"

Posted on August 2, 2006 by Joel Fuhrman

"No. For example, Inuit Greenlanders, who historically have had limited access to fruits and vegetables, have the worst longevity statistics in North America. Research from the past and present shows that they die on the average about 10 years younger and have a higher rate of cancer than the overall Canadian population.1

"Similar statistics are available for the high meat-consuming Maasai in Kenya. They eat a diet high in wild hunted meats and have the worst life expectancy in the modern world. Life expectancy is 45 years for women and 42 years for men. African researchers report that, historically, Maasai rarely lived beyond age 60. Adult mortality figures on the Kenyan Maasai show that they have a 50% chance of dying before the age of 59.2

We now know that greatly increasing the consumption of vegetables, legumes, fruits, and raw nuts and seeds (and greatly decreasing the consumption of animal products) offers profound increased longevity potential, due in large part to broad symphony of life-extending phytochemical nutrients that a vegetable-based diet contains. By taking advantage of the year-round availability of high-quality plant foods, we have a unique opportunity to live both healthier and longer than ever before in human history."

1. Iburg KM, Bronnum-Hansen H, Bjerregaard P. Health expectancy in Greenland. Scand J Public Health 2001;29(1):5-12. Choinere R. Mortality among the Baffin Inuit in the mid-80s. Arctive Med Res 1992;51 (2):87-93.

Certainly today a vegetarian diet is a healthier diet. Lower cancer rates, longer life, etc. And there is no question a vegetarian diet is better for the planet. So what is this 'study' affording us? Faster procreation? We don't need that with 6.9 billion people on the planet!

Rob

Whether folks "live longer" is not nearly as interesting from an evolution basis than whether they reproduce longer, and the children's chances of reproduction are increased. Child mortality was very high in the past, and getting a child to weaning is a very large energy investment. Uterine involution is slowed considerably, no doubt.

I was watching "Blue Planet" yesterday, even that show brings up what I have attempted to bring up here. It is not new. Heck, there are a few species that the mother offers her own body as the first meal for the offspring. Not common in herbivores, obviously. But many herbivores are hidden carnivores, depending on whether you consider bacteria an animal or a plant. I think current classifications consider them other.

Cattle get a volatile fatty acid fix directly through the rumen wall, but they mostly digest bacteria, which themselves are the entities which digest the grasses, since cattle, like humans, don't have an enzyme which can break down cellulose.

One interesting thing I saw, too...coral are animals, and but get ~98.5% of their nutrition from the sun, because plants are built into them. By day they get their energy from their on-board plants, but at night, they expose themselves further and try to be omnivores. The fact that they do this for the ~2% additional energy should suggest the importance of even small energy and protein increases. Why would they do this, don't coral "know" that vegetarian diet is all they need? No, their genes tell them to do this, because that trait is likely helpful, but surely not harmful to their genes' survival. Small energy and protein increases make all the difference. Coral don't kill other coral by wasteful means, they extrude their own gut onto the competing coral, and digest them in place, withdrawing there gut later, leaving bleached minerals where there was previously competing coral.

In short, I think you are giving too much value to non-reproductive longevity, and too little value to the critical importance of even tiny increases in energy and protein take-up "as the ages roll."

 

[Short Game]

Gulf Spill, Two Years On: Gulf Oil Spill: BP Execs Escape Punishment as Fallout from Disaster Continues to Impact Sea Life

 

[patrick_g]

Climate change may create price volatility in the corn market

Posted: 22 Apr 2012 10:49 AM PDT

Corn, America's No. 1 crop, could see its prime growing region shift to the Canadian border or its price volatility increase sharply within 30 years. A new study points to climate change as the cause.

 

[Rob-D]

My problem is that Gore and (most of ) those who follow him don't practice what they preach. I understand that he's put in solar panels and geothermal heating now, but until a few years ago (after this was pointed out), he talked about conserving and his mansion used up more than 15 other homes combined. Even when he wasn't home to use it. He traveled in a 30 year old private jet, certainly not efficient and dumped as much CO2 from the exhaust as a newer commercial jet carrying 100 people. To go from a hotel to his speeches he has a 6 Suburban motorcade. To travel 3 or 4 blocks. Quite frankly, I respect much more what you say Rob, than what Al or any of his ilk spew.

Again, I'm not interested in Al Gore or what he does, I'm interested in this planet.
Al Gore is the tip of the iceberg, the raping of this land by Monsanto, Massey Energy, etc. is destroying, not only our land, but the people's lives who are subject to their abuses.
If you want to get angry at people, get angry at the congress of this country that has been bought and paid for by corporate lobby money, get angry at Monsanto who buys researchers who find scientific evidence opposed to their chemical destruction. Get mad at Massey coal who rape WV and KY in the name of jobs that they do their best to reduce and eliminate. Get mad at agribusiness growing mono crops that invite insect devastation that we have to keep developing new pesticides for and who push small farmers out while controlling the world's seed banks.

Get really angry at a Supreme Court that gives corporations the rights of the individual because that means the end of democracy which is what we are seeing today. It's not a party issue or an individual issue it's the system that has been compromised.

So how do we defend against that? We take the money away from those people as much as we can and that's by individual autonomy, using more fuel efficient cars, building smaller homes and conserving. So someone comes along and tells you that you're destroying capitalism and jobs and I say what kind of a system have we made when we have to blow off the tops of mountains to support our way of life?

Think for yourselves, stop parroting these talk show hosts, they're not doing anyone any good and they're eroding this country.

"I must create my own system or be enslaved by another's."

William Blake

 

[Rob-D]

Al Gore,

I think we should all stop and think about why there is this anger and focus on Al Gore because he is really insignificant in the scheme of things and what is happening in this country and world.
Yet we constantly have this focus on him and this anger as though he is causing our problems. There are many, many scientists from around the world talking about CC, pollution and the severe problems this world is having and will continue to have if we don't change our ways and I think they are right.
I'm terribly concerned about the world food and how agribusiness is controlling food and seed.


Monsanto: The Seed Monopoly That Caused Genetically Modified Food To Start Showing Up On Nearly Every Dinner Table In The United States

"Most Americans have absolutely no idea that over the past couple of decades, one giant corporation has achieved a virtual monopoly on some of the most important seed markets in the United States. Not only that, but this same company has done more to push genetically modified food on to the dinner tables of America than any other corporation. The name of that giant corporation is Monsanto, and today approximately 95 percent of all soybeans and approximately 80 percent of all corn in the United States grow from seeds genetically altered according to Monsanto company patents. The power that Monsanto now holds is almost indescribable. Now, a stunning new investigation by the Associated Press has revealed how Monsanto is relentlessly squeezing their competitors, exerting tremendous control over the survival of smaller seed companies and ruthlessly protecting its dominance over the multibillion-dollar market for genetically altered seeds."

We can not survive as a republic with this kind of power crushing us but Monsanto wants nothing more than you to blame Al Gore, tree huggers, etc. It's the old ploy, "watch my lefty hand while my right hand slaps you!" So think about why you are angry at Al Gore and why you aren't raving mad at monsters like Monsanto, Exxon Mobil, Bayer and Dupont who are literally controlling our world.

When you're really getting upset start looking at how the corporations and IMF are attempting to control water through privatization. If you control food, water and energy you literally control the planet and everyone on it.

Rob

ps:
I think everyone should be jumping up and down about the fact that Monsanto can sue Vermont because Vermont wants to label GMOs.

Guess what? You're next!

 

[turnkey4099]

Al Gore,

I think we should all stop and think about why there is this anger and focus on Al Gore because he is really insignificant in the scheme of things and what is happening in this country and world.
Yet we constantly have this focus on him and this anger as though he is causing our problems. There are many, many scientists from around the world talking about CC, pollution and the severe problems this world is having and will continue to have if we don't change our ways and I think they are right.

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Rob

Yes. What Al Gore said, did, does is immaterial and has been for over 10 years. It is happening and no amount of carping and poining fingers will have an effect on it.

If one can't discuss it without bring up Al Gore, they don't have anything reasonable to contribute to the discussion.

Harry K

 

[Egon]

There's an easy way to beat the big companies. Hire on and rise up the ladder. Every time you have the option of hiring someone make sure the are of your mindset. Keep progressing til you are CEO. Make sure the main folks under you jurisdiction are of a mind set similar to you. They will carry on the tradition of hiring. Expand to start influencing the appointments to the Board of Directors.

Get that done and you've won!

Simple, no muss, no fuss!:thumbsup:

 

[RaydaKub]

Get really angry at a Supreme Court that gives corporations the rights of the individual because that means the end of democracy which is what we are seeing today. It's not a party issue or an individual issue it's the system that has been compromised.

Why aren't you angry at Congress? They are the ones that have created the imbalance you rail against. All the USSC did was say that corporations may not be discriminated against when it comes to donating money for an election. Unions have donated just as much to pull things the other way. Both are made up of real people. In the State of the Union address last year, the President included a bald faced lie that "this opened the door for foreign corporations to come in and influence our elections." Foreign contributions are still supposed to be illegal as far as I know, even from individuals (though Obama's campaign seems to list numerous contributions from abroad).

So think about why you are angry at Al Gore and why you aren't raving mad at monsters like Monsanto, Exxon Mobil, Bayer and Dupont who are literally controlling our world.

I believe that Exxon Mobile was (until Apple's emergence) the largest corporation in the United States. However, do you realize that as of 2010, Exxon Mobile is only the 17th largest oil company on the planet, having 2% of the known reserves and handling 3% of the total oil volume across the planet? Do you really think you are going to change anything by railing against "Big Oil"? They are tiny compared to Saudis and China.

When you rant about Big Oil, it is really no different than how you view those on the other side ranting about Al Gore.

 

[houstonscott]

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