Our Kids belong to everyone ....collectively...?????

   / Our Kids belong to everyone ....collectively...????? #91  
Loran49,

Again if a FIREARM is not used in an aggressive or defensive manner such as sporting or pleasure shooting, then why do you automatically consider it a weapon? You keep turning it to something evil. That's like someone instantly jumping to the conclusion that butter knife you use for dinner is a weapon when it's only used with butter.

Please stop trying to change the wording of the Bill of Rights to imply something different. It should be taught with its correct wording, not someone else's.

Please check my last post for word "firearm"? You just pulled that out of your hat. :confused:My points were(1) "arms" and "weapons" are synonyms,(2) Either word has a wide range of meanings, some of which were likely not the meaning intended in the Bill of Rights, (3) There is nothing sacred about the word "arms" could be a right arm and a left arm, (4) the intended meaning by the founders has been long debated and is not clear (5) those who follow the Constitution will abide by the Law of the Land and our Court System (6) Weapons did not inmply anything different than arms..they are synonyms..they have the same meaning, (7) The use of the synonym for the kids in that class was no big deal (8) the claim of liberal agenda should not have been made on this thread...take it where it belongs!

Loren
 
   / Our Kids belong to everyone ....collectively...????? #92  
My opinion on the public schools in Maryland, they are adopting Common Core. That pretty much eliminates local agenda, regional differences, individuality and socialize the student body. Is that clear?

There is a great deal of information online. Do you have any specific reasons for your conclusion. There are some good reasons to standardize some of the cirriculum but I see a problem if no time is left for some local input. It's a good thing if there is a core piece of factual information to which all of our kids are exposed. Like the earth is round, we put men on the moon, there was a nasty civil war, pollution can be a problem, Pi is the ratio of a circles circumference to its diameter and many other facts. There can be real problems with everyone going completely in there own direction.

Loren

Common Core State Standards (CCSS)

http://www.marylandpublicschools.or...4/29163/CommonCoreStateCurriculum_072011_.pdf
 
   / Our Kids belong to everyone ....collectively...????? #93  
I did not comment directly to the issue of Common Core. I don't have any knowledge of that particular educational program - hence, I did not speak to it.

AKfish
I did, and provided my opinion.
 
   / Our Kids belong to everyone ....collectively...????? #94  
There is a great deal of information online. Do you have any specific reasons for your conclusion. There are some good reasons to standardize some of the cirriculum but I see a problem if no time is left for some local input. It's a good thing if there is a core piece of factual information to which all of our kids are exposed. Like the earth is round, we put men on the moon, there was a nasty civil war, pollution can be a problem, Pi is the ratio of a circles circumference to its diameter and many other facts. There can be real problems with everyone going completely in there own direction.

Loren

Common Core State Standards (CCSS)

http://www.marylandpublicschools.or...4/29163/CommonCoreStateCurriculum_072011_.pdf

The problem does not lie in the generalities of common knowledge, but in the subtleties of the periphery. If you teach that U.S. Grant was a great man and R.E. Lee a bad man(just examples), you have beatified a drunken loser in life and vilified a strong family man that loved his country and freed his slaves before many Union generals did. That's the sort of thing Common Core does, it paves all social roads with one sided dogma.
 
   / Our Kids belong to everyone ....collectively...????? #95  
I'm starting to see the advantage of starting kids to school at age 4. Maybe he was talking about children growig up in crack houses. I just am not .aware of the living conditions of four years old in Chicago.

The four year old growing up on a farm riding around with day with dad obviously it would be a healthy environment more likely.

In the correct unsupervised environment children will learn many things on their own naturally because their one objective is to become like adults.

I really do see the advantage to this in the typical urban environment where a sadly high number of single mothers are trying to raise kids, and often find it difficult if not impossible to get a job and raise little kids, particularly if she has kids with health or learning problems.
Which quite frankly applies to all moms, no matter where we live.

So....if we get the kids into a protected and learning environment a year or two earlier, and Mom can now get a job and get off assistance, there
seems to be some logic here. But would it work? I think you have to try. And perhaps kids with learning disabilities get diagnosed a year earlier and get helped earlier.

I grew up in a town of 1800 with a senior graduating class of 53 in a combined junior/senior high school.
I had classes on the stage. And sometimes in the hallway. It was all before the big new construction came in, mandated by
the State, or we would lose our local high school forever and be bussed an hour away.
Our school didn't have a swimming pool. It didn't have a football team. The basketball team lost every game for two and half years, a school worst record I believe. It was small town USA in a fairly highly educated area that was quickly becoming a suburb of Philadelphia.

And despite this "substandard", in the State's eyes, little junior senior high school of 360 kids, we did just as well as other surrounding
schools and sometimes better in sending kids off to college. My brother's wife was the head of the English Dept there and I can vouch that the kids who came out of that high school could enunciate and remember their grammar. Even if they seemed to talk in code to their peers...
And just about everyone went home to two parents. And the few single parents there were, in a small community, often folk reached out to them and helped out.

Because of my birthdate in March, I was able to go to Kindergarten a year earlier than others. Always wondered if that extra year, or a little less, helped me in any way. Pure conjecture, but since I started off in a small Quaker school, and only stayed there one year before going off to public school the rest of the way, a Quaker kindergarten is frankly not quite like what I envision as the norm for inner city daycare. I was lucky, and privileged. So many kids aren't, and maybe Obama is trying to help them, and maybe get a longer term secondary benefit. We won't know until we try, but whether this is the best way, well, we all have a lot of opinions on that.
 
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   / Our Kids belong to everyone ....collectively...????? #96  
I don't mind this message especially when the education system in this country is sub par. There is really no parity from town to town and state to state. The United States was ranked 17th in the world in education as of 2012. Her vague message does not offend me but it also does not supply any solution whatsoever.
 
   / Our Kids belong to everyone ....collectively...????? #97  
The United States was ranked 17th in the world in education as of 2012.

that won't win us any awards for sure...
We are a large nation, one of the largest, and we have a constantly changing demographics. We are democratic, not socialistic, despite what many fear, so our school systems have to cater to a wide range of students, many of whom come from very poor families.
Just wondering what other democratic countries close to our size, or larger, do better? Wonder what they are doing that we could
learn from?

When I think of how the North Korean kids are raised and educated, it just gives me the shivers. If you tell kids the US is a monster from early on, by the time they become adults, what are they going to think? No freedom of thought, no freedom of expression.
That's a whole lot of very repressed people who may think any change is good. Including going to war. Gives me more than the shivers.
But all those literally brainwashed kids. We should count our blessings and realize that it takes work to keep those kids learning in a free environment.
 
   / Our Kids belong to everyone ....collectively...????? #98  
I think pre-school education is all over the map. I read about families whose children compete to get into the "right" pre-school, otherwise their chances of being accepted in the "right" K-6 elementary are poor. Of course, this has nothing to do with public education, it's all private and at college-level tuition rates.

Child development studies show that very young children learn very rapidly, so perhaps pre-school has educational merits, but it probably isn't known if pre-school attendance would have a negative effect on what is to be gained through parental nurturing, assuming that is actually happening.

Many kids who shine educationally in pre-school and kindergarten fail to continue to lead their peers by the time they reach grades 5-6. They may be early bloomers, or the educational system has successfully dulled their minds given several years to work on it. I suspect it may be some of both.

Some parents intentionally hold their children back by one year before entering kindergarten. Studies show that due to their age development advantage over their peers, they tend to benefit for the duration of their K-12 experience. This applies for athletic performance as well.

I could see some educational benefit to a well designed pre-school program, but not as a baby sitting function. Something like two half-days per week seems reasonable--just my feeling.
 
   / Our Kids belong to everyone ....collectively...????? #99  
So....if we get the kids into a protected and learning environment a year or two earlier, and Mom can now get a job and get off assistance...

To quote Meatloaf, "Stop right there, before you go any further!" You've just insulted at least 90% of my wife's state paid patients. They use to have to ask them if they were looking for work, but now it is prohibited to ask. My wife said the favorite answer when asked was;"I don't want no job, I be losin' my check and WIC and phone, and I have to get up early and stuff and I like to sleep in. She says about 90% are late for their appointments with no excuses and are insulted if you mention it. One a few years ago, a 25 year old, came in with her sexually active daughter that was 12, you do the math. She asked my wife for ;"Them pregnant drugs, 'cause she been tryin' to get pregnant for 6 months and we need the extra money." Mom and daughter were sharing the same man, which is way common in the area among the welfare culture.
So, it may take the child out of a bad home for a few hours, it's not going to lead to much added production to the economy.
 
   / Our Kids belong to everyone ....collectively...????? #100  
Just wondering what other democratic countries close to our size, or larger, do better? Wonder what they are doing that we could
learn from?
In a word 'assimilation'.
They don't provide 90 different cultures and languages.
 

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