Marijuana

[DABSGT]

I never thought I would enter this debate on a tractor forum however THC is not a narcotic. Although California law calls it a narcotic, it is pharmacologicaly distinct from the family of opium derivatives and synthetic narcotics. Calling it a narcotic make it easier for policy makers to demonize it. It is also non addictive.

I agree I only meant to compare to narcotic prescriptions and their abuse. As far as addictive, jury is still out. I may be able to have only one alcoholic beverage a year but for someone else they may become an alcoholic.

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[aczlan]

300uguy, not to worry, there are plenty of other illegal pharmaceuticals for cops and DEA to chase after. But I will say with out illegal drugs the job would be much easer, a large percent of thefts and burglary's are the direct cause of users needing to support a habit. Oh ya less murders and assaults, from dealers and gangs "protecting" territory. Would it decrease dependence? I rather doubt it but what the **** we now have Obama care to take care of they and wile we are at it more on Social Security "disabilities".

So, if someone can legally buy drug x at the corner pharmacy (rather than from the dealer) will they magically stop abusing it and stop stealing stuff to support their addiction? I doubt it.

Aaron Z

 

[rsallen]

I understand DABSGT, but on the other hand where when has banning any drug made society any better?
**** there's counties that put people to death for using and the ones that want to still use.
In the USA drugs, any drug, is already quasi legal except for the monies cost or jail time. If you don't believe me pick a drug, any drug and go down town any where America and ask for it at the street corner, the closest campus or local bar.
Those that want to use have no problem with that end of it. It's all over the place. Always has been.

Cigarettes and beer are as much a gate way drug to something else as a bit of pot.
A user blaming pot on ones addiction problems is the same as Catholic priests blaming pedophilia on the chaste vows required to belong and then marching young children through the church.

****, as long they stay off my toes or those of society I say let them blow their minds and lives away. They're going to do it any ways. Let's just give it away on the street gratas. Here have a good time.
Why would I care if some one wants to smoke a bit of pot? Why would I care if someone wants to shoot some smack, or snort some coke, ruin their body on meth, blow their blows on acid or dance all night on ecstasy? Why would I care? If they're not bothering anyone else why would any one care? It's their life.

 

[Midniteoyl]

The only issue I am having with pot smoking at the moment is the belief that just because smoking is illegal in some places pot isn't. It chaps me that when I go to a club or a show some moron is lighting up a blunt. I just don't like the smell or the smoke. could care less you are doing it, just go outside.

I agree.. if tobacco is illegal in bars/restaurants, then so should weed. They should be confined to the same smoking areas too. I heard Seattle is considering doing just that.

 

[Midniteoyl]

I never thought I would enter this debate on a tractor forum however THC is not a narcotic. Although California law calls it a narcotic, it is pharmacologicaly distinct from the family of opium derivatives and synthetic narcotics. Calling it a narcotic make it easier for policy makers to demonize it. It is also non addictive.

Non addictive?.. dunno. I went through **** the first 2-4 weeks of boot camp.. I see plenty of people dependent on it. Not saying which way it should go, legal or not, but there are plenty of 'mis conceptions' on both sides of the argument.

 

[Midniteoyl]

So, if someone can legally buy drug x at the corner pharmacy (rather than from the dealer) will they magically stop abusing it and stop stealing stuff to support their addiction? I doubt it.

Aaron Z

No, as prescription drug abuse and resales show.. But, if more insurances paid for it, there would be a drop as the need to do so would also drop.

 

[Midniteoyl]

I understand DABSGT, but on the other hand where when has banning any drug made society any better?
**** there's counties that put people to death for using and the ones that want to still use.
In the USA drugs, any drug, is already quasi legal except for the monies cost or jail time. If you don't believe me pick a drug, any drug and go down town any where America and ask for it at the street corner, the closest campus or local bar.
Those that want to use have no problem with that end of it. It's all over the place. Always has been.

Cigarettes and beer are as much a gate way drug to something else as a bit of pot.
A user blaming pot on ones addiction problems is the same as Catholic priests blaming pedophilia on the chaste vows required to belong and then marching young children through the church.

****, as long they stay off my toes or those of society I say let them blow their minds and lives away. They're going to do it any ways. Let's just give it away on the street gratas. Here have a good time.
Why would I care if some one wants to smoke a bit of pot? Why would I care if someone wants to shoot some smack, or snort some coke, ruin their body on meth, blow their blows on acid or dance all night on ecstasy? Why would I care? If they're not bothering anyone else why would any one care? It's their life.

They tried that in Holland.. giving away free needles and drugs. Didnt work. Now they are paying to help clean up thier mess

 

[dave1949]

In Iran, circa 1972, if an opiate addict could get a prescription from a doctor, they could buy drugs at the local pharmacy. I guess the doctor decided if the person was a true addict or whatever. At the same time, the official penalties for street drug dealing were pretty harsh.

Open to lots of abuse, just the way prescription drugs are abused by faux doctors now, but the approach has some merit in controlling crime.

 

[DABSGT]

So, if someone can legally buy drug x at the corner pharmacy (rather than from the dealer) will they magically stop abusing it and stop stealing stuff to support their addiction? I doubt it.

Aaron Z

That's why people who are addicted to a prescription drug Dr. Shop. But there is some control, good Dr's and pharmacy's do catch on. All though there are some Dr's who just write the script to get rid of the patient. Also believe it or not those who are dependent on prescription meds have insurance or are often "Disabled" and the cost is to Medicaid, tax payer paid! So it does cut down on some crime.

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[Midniteoyl]

There are less and less 'pain management' doctors now due to tightening DEA/ATF enforcement. Shoot, my wife who has RA must submit to a pee test once a month. Those on Medicaid must pay the $150 outta pocket for the test.. I guess they are trying to weed out the sellers by making it more expensive.