Tractor vs. Skid steer vs. Dozer

[paulharvey]

It sounds to be like you need an industrial tractor like a JD 210/Case Ck5xx, they are heavy (10,000#), have loader (meant for actual work), ~65 hp. the JD has down pressure on the 3 pnt, has a seat that pivots like 15 degrees for watching rear implement with out braking your neck. One hold up is im not sure any construction grade tractors have a PTO. They do however have plenty of hydraulic flow. Expect to pay $60+k new

Edits: 73 hp or 85 hp with turbo, doesnt look like the JD comes with a PTO available.

Ford, Massey, New Holland, and John Deere have all made industrial tractors over the years, but as far as I know, only Case and JD still make construction grade machines.

 

[ferrari99]

I am talking about a dozer with a front end loader and three point linkage and a PTO. In terms of side ways and rear visibility a tractor is a long way in front of a skid steer. I agree with the road ability and will add it to the list.

 

[tessiers]

This compact telehandler will do it all. It does cost more, but it's worth it. :thumbsup:
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It is only 6' wide, 6.5' high, 13' long, very stable on side hills and "unstuckable".

Click for more pictures: http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/buying-pricing-comparisons/296853-dozer-skid-steer.html

I beg to differ, nothing is unstuckable, only expensivelyrecoverable. I saw a JD 790 Excavator building a drainage ditch over a stream bank stuck, not a pretty sight, another 790, a cat 345 and a D8 crawler on scene before she came out. Fellow paying the bill was less than impressed, at least no one got hurt or fired. I agree the tele-handlers are quite impressive. Personally I think its like comparing a F-350, to a Volvo, so a Stockcar. They all haul our rear ends around, but definitely different use machines.

 

[Xfaxman]

I beg to differ, nothing is unstuckable, only expensivelyrecoverable. I saw a JD 790 Excavator building a drainage ditch over a stream bank stuck, not a pretty sight, another 790, a cat 345 and a D8 crawler on scene before she came out. Fellow paying the bill was less than impressed, at least no one got hurt or fired. I agree the tele-handlers are quite impressive. Personally I think its like comparing a F-350, to a Volvo, so a Stockcar. They all haul our rear ends around, but definitely different use machines.

I beg to differ with your beg to differ. The two different compact telehandlers that I have owned are unstuckable! And I have the pictures to prove it. When the axles are out of sight in the silt, all 4 wheels are spinning and it isn't moving forward, it is stuck. Then you retract the bucket, curl the bucket down, lower the boom, pull it into reverse, spin the wheels, extend the boom, pushing the machine backward. Then repeat the procedure until it is unstuck. :thumbsup:

This is the first one, a V518, stuck.


Unstuck. Had to shovel the silt off of the floorboard


Sold the V518, bought The V417 that I still have. Here it is stuck in the mud.


Unstuck. It pushed itself out!


They are unstuckable!!! :laughing:
This is another Unstuckable! http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...t/160568-compact-telehandler.html#post3526054

 

[tessiers]

The construction company I work for owns 2 of them, and we rent them consistently, I have many hours in them, I assure you they can and do get stuck. I personally had one of our Genie 6000 lb machines in soft clay up to the deck, tried the push trick until I couldn't move. When you push down with the front to dig in you also push down the rear going deeper in soft materials. Luckily enough we had a 30 ton RT crane on sight that popped it out. Had one slide down into a retention pond full of snow one year, no amount of pushing would get it out, boom would push it 20' up the bank, as soon as I picked up the bucket she would slide back into the pond, chains may have saved the day. We had an excavator on site that did the trick that day. I will say they are quite impressive and I would love to own one for moving round bales especially. I do not think they are as durable for ground breaking tasks, have seen at least 2 with major structural failures of the boom, but I saw an excavator with the main boom fail so I guess you can break about anything if you don't care about it. They are definitely versatile. Can't wait to see the price on them get into my range.

 

[paulharvey]

Ive had one pretty darn close to stuck. Even a track hoe can get stuck, once suction gets to the main body of machine and the boom is just pushing right through mud, youll find out about stuckable.

 

[arrow]

I beg to differ with your beg to differ. The two different compact telehandlers that I have owned are unstuckable! And I have the pictures to prove it. When the axles are out of sight in the silt, all 4 wheels are spinning and it isn't moving forward, it is stuck. Then you retract the bucket, curl the bucket down, lower the boom, pull it into reverse, spin the wheels, extend the boom, pushing the machine backward. Then repeat the procedure until it is unstuck. :thumbsup:

This is the first one, a V518, stuck.
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Unstuck. Had to shovel the silt off of the floorboard
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Sold the V518, bought The V417 that I still have. Here it is stuck in the mud.
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Unstuck. It pushed itself out!
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They are unstuckable!!! :laughing:
This is another Unstuckable! http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...t/160568-compact-telehandler.html#post3526054

I always loved your tele-handler X. I did not think they were as small as what you describe. My little 3016 Mahindra is 13' long.

 

[Xfaxman]

The construction company I work for owns 2 of them, and we rent them consistently, I have many hours in them, I assure you they can and do get stuck. I personally had one of our Genie 6000 lb machines in soft clay up to the deck, tried the push trick until I couldn't move. When you push down with the front to dig in you also push down the rear going deeper in soft materials. Luckily enough we had a 30 ton RT crane on sight that popped it out. Had one slide down into a retention pond full of snow one year, no amount of pushing would get it out, boom would push it 20' up the bank, as soon as I picked up the bucket she would slide back into the pond, chains may have saved the day. We had an excavator on site that did the trick that day. I will say they are quite impressive and I would love to own one for moving round bales especially. I do not think they are as durable for ground breaking tasks, have seen at least 2 with major structural failures of the boom, but I saw an excavator with the main boom fail so I guess you can break about anything if you don't care about it. They are definitely versatile. Can't wait to see the price on them get into my range.

Sounds like you are talking about fullsize telehandlers. A Genie with 6000 lbs of lift, is not a compact telehandler. And one with 20' boom extension, is not a compact telehandler.

The compact telehandler boom is made for ground engaging attachments. The teeth on my 6' bucket are worn to a razor sharp edge from working in sand rock.



So far mine is unstuckable. :laughing:

Maybe next time it won't unstuck itself.

 

[Xfaxman]

I always loved your tele-handler, X. I did not think they were as small as what you describe. My little 3016 Mahindra is 13' long.

Yep, 6' wide, 6.5' high and 13' long. Top speed is 15.5 mph and it will lift over 5,000 pounds! :thumbsup:

Here it is next to the 5' wide Toolcat.

 

[Observer]

I have operated all of the above. Some are harder to stick than others, but all are subject. Some are easier to unstick themselves after stuck than others. It depends up upon conditions and just how stuck as well as one's ability to unstick one's self. But, it's always fun regardless! I have stuck a dozer (1250 Case) in a sea of semi liquid garbage and took about an hour and a half to back out of it. Yuk!! Skid Steer? Can sink like a rock in the proper conditions. I love operating.