Go Away GM

[Renze]

Renze, very true. Accidental discharge is very expensive. But again, consider the intent of the design and tcreeley's story. Without airbags he probably would have buried a Son over an auto accident.

just have one part of my previous S70 laying around after taking the pedals out of it for our sand rail, but we didnt manage to let the airbags go off even after putting a log upright on the back seat, hooking a chain to it through the skihatch and the open trunk lid, and blasting off to the end of the 4 meter chain, attached to the tractor. We made it a Volvo El Camino, though i had to pull twice to rip that part out of the back.. sturdy built. Later we found some kind of ballast weight between the seats, which most probably is the dead weight that senses the G forces for the airbag to go off. I've hit trees and towbars before, but no airbag deployment.

 

[rmk700]

Interesting debate, it has been held before:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCUfGWNuD3c

Everybody wants their freedom of choice but believes it's the manufactures responsibility to keep them completely safe and it's costing this country dearly.

WARNING!! ALL autos are capable of malfunctioning.

 

[TomSeller]

Also, does anyone remember Ford's "park to reverse defect" ? It involved Fords made from 1966 to 1979 and killed 98 people. Ford's "fix" was mailing the owners a warning label.

Right. All manufactures skate on what should be a recall. It is not unique to GM.

 

[sd455dan]

No personal attack intended or implied. I think the Corvette and the Camaro are the two worst models that Chevrolet offers. I base that on having friends that own each.The Corvette has cost Chevrolet millions of dollars over the years trying to keep an "American Heritage" alive.The Camaro is the worst of the retro cars, i.e., Mustang, Challenger, Camaro.


well the Camaro has been outselling the Mustang and Challenger when (averaged monthly sales) since 2009...
Although I like my old Pontiacs and even Jeep/AMC i think the Camaro is a good looking rig... and that's jmo

Apparently some others like the looks-- Are your friends having problems with the camaro and vette?

 

[TomSeller]

The Corvette and Camero have more to do with the portfolio of models than a profit on the respective model lines. Otherwise Chevy could go the path of Oldsmobile, your father's Oldsmobile. I own both a Chevy and a Cadillac plus two Fords with no regrets. All good vehicles.

 

[coobie]

GM is back in the courts seeking protection from law suits. I wish that GM will just fail and drop off the map. No such thing as too big to fail.

mark

Way to stir the pot and then tuck & run,nice.Must be a BMW owner?LOL

 

[Diamondpilot]

Way to stir the pot and then tuck & run,nice.Must be a BMW owner?LOL

Smart man if he owns a BMW instead of a GM.....


By the way, I just sold my BMW. Awesome car that never gave us a day of trouble. Proudly replaced it with a Ford.

Chris

 

[amigauser]

Smart man if he owns a BMW instead of a GM.....


By the way, I just sold my BMW. Awesome car that never gave us a day of trouble. Proudly replaced it with a Ford.

Chris

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[ultrarunner]

My only new car ever was bought while I was in Germany and shipped back to the States... it was a 2002 year model BMW 325iT

Twelve years old and no issues... never planned to keep when I got home... liked driving it so much on the autobahn in Germany so I kept it.

As stated my work trucks are old GM and no complaints there either...

 

[Hill Billy Bob]

Although I like my old Pontiacs and even Jeep/AMC i think the Camaro is a good looking rig... and that's jmo

No, not just your opinion....my opinion too...HB Bob

 

[sd455dan]

Although I like my old Pontiacs and even Jeep/AMC i think the Camaro is a good looking rig... and that's jmo

No, not just your opinion....my opinion too...HB BobView attachment 373243 View attachment 373244

Nice!
maybe that is why I just can't bring myself to hate gm to many good times in the old muscle cars...and my 1996 Police- Caprice 9c1 is still rolling along just fine @ over 170,000 miles

Here are some of the old Ponchos i have owned

 

[The Fred]

Smart man if he owns a BMW instead of a GM.....


By the way, I just sold my BMW. Awesome car that never gave us a day of trouble. Proudly replaced it with a Ford.

Chris

Wife drives an X5 we bought used with a blown motor for no reason. Typical BMW. Overpriced, parts prices crazy expensive, no used computer parts allowed after 2006 (most modules $1,000 and up), over-engineered, holds little residual value (except the Ms). Nice driving, fits in the garage and she loves it.

I work on them for a living; it's a good living by the way. If it wasn't for European cars the world might be a better place.
I have had numerous GM rigs. Not a fan of their cars but like the trucks. Have had few issues with them.

I don't care what kind of car you drive they have issues. Every manufacturer out there tries to avoid paying out after the sale. Sometimes done by extending the warranty and not recalling. Volvo makes a good example of this when they had a 96% failure rate on electronic throttle modules (ETM) from 99-2001. Instead of recalling the whole bunch they opted to extend the warranty to 10 years/200,000 miles, well all of those cars that didn't get a new throttle are failing now at around $1,200 per repair. Tell that to a young family that thought a used Volvo was the way to go.

Fred

 

[aczlan]

I don't care what kind of car you drive they have issues. Every manufacturer out there tries to avoid paying out after the sale. Sometimes done by extending the warranty and not recalling. Volvo makes a good example of this when they had a 96% failure rate on electronic throttle modules (ETM) from 99-2001. Instead of recalling the whole bunch they opted to extend the warranty to 10 years/200,000 miles, well all of those cars that didn't get a new throttle are failing now at around $1,200 per repair. Tell that to a young family that thought a used Volvo was the way to go.

That one was a mess. When my sister bought a '99 S70 AWD (against my advice, I said to go for a 1998 FWD or a 2002+), I told her to budget $500 for a xemodex throttle body (Electronic Throttle Module Pre-Programmed Turbo for Volvo | xemodex United States) down the road. She is mechanical enough to be able to replace it herself.

Aaron Z

 

[The Fred]

Yes Xemodex good people, they sell a good product. Volvo would like to see them out of business. Now you can see why.

Sorry to hijack.

Fred

 

[aczlan]

Yes Xemodex good people, they sell a good product. Volvo would like to see them out of business. Now you can see why.

What, you dont like Volvo's plan of selling the exact same throttle body that will fail again on 50-100k miles vs upgrading the replacement part to work better?
What a strange concept, fixing known flaws...
There are reasons why I have a V90 and wont buy a newer FWD Volvo.

Aaron Z

 

[Renze]

There are reasons why I have a V90 and wont buy a newer FWD Volvo.

Me too... in 1999 Volvo AB sold their automobile division to Ford and the post '99 cars prove it...
My S70 (facelifted 850) is the last one designed by chief designer Jan Wilsgaard, who designed the 200, 700, 900 and 800 series. Ford replaced him with a British fashion fag who cared more about design...