Tier 4

[coobie]

Wow, this turned from informative to a real emotionally driven pursuit against technology and the folks that tried to explain the new equipment knowledgeably. ShowRoomShine does know what he's talking about, he's been to numerous functions that have went into Tier 4 technology in depth. How do I know? Because the company he sells tractors for is the same company I have done training for the last two years. Case has done millions of hours of testing on this "new" equipment for many years.

All the dealerships that sell top branded tractors ie. Deere, Kubota, Agco, Case IH all have service technician training requirements that have to be met at each dealership. If this training is not completed the dealership is penalized for not having competent service techs.

The information being presented about "all" the trucks at work being broke down due to emissions equipment seems assumptive, is this based on the trucks without emissions equipment never being broke down? All equipment has it's weak points, saying a car with cruise control and electric windows will have less resale value in the future would be considered crazy talk now days. We have all adapted to new technology, along with it's hiccups, but the issues do get worked out and we then consider it to be normal "stuff" that's in a car or on a tractor. Who would argue that the hydrostatic transmission will be a failure and cost too much to fix on a new tractor? I'll bet when it was first introduced that exact argument was being made, now the majority of compacts sold have a hydro transmission.

Here's my two cents on buying a Tier 4 machine. If you don't want one, don't buy one. There are plenty of used machines in the market, buy one of those and let the someone else buy the new units.

No assumption on my part.Our new diesel engine 2012-2014 line trucks had MANY issues with the regen & electronics.Heck I even seen it with my OWN TWO EYES.

 

[chopped]

Interesting reading. I dont see any consideration for the amount of running time and fuel used and how the huge price increase is going to turn away some people from buying new.Very similiar to what they did with cars.
just don't seem to be really serving much purpose when I only burn about 15 or 20 gallons a year. I guess ill continue to pollute and feel good about the older tractors.
I assume that the dealers feel people will pay the huge increases. But then again most people are not paying for the tractors these days they are on payment plans.

 

[nova3930]

"Man I just can't believe they're getting rid of carbeurators for fuel injection. Those carbeurators just work man. There's no way fuel injection can be reliable. And they're doing this after they already got rid of ignition points." - Some guys back in the 80s....

 

[GManBart]

Interesting reading. I dont see any consideration for the amount of running time and fuel used and how the huge price increase is going to turn away some people from buying new.

What huge price increase? It looks like maybe $1000 or so (on a $30K machine) from what I've seen lately. I'm not saying that's chump change, but it's not a huge difference.

 

[chopped]

LOL good one made me smile and chuckle. 1000 is alot even on a 100,000 grand one to mre. Its all relative.

What huge price increase? It looks like maybe $1000 or so (on a $30K machine) from what I've seen lately. I'm not saying that's chump change, but it's not a huge difference.

 

[GManBart]

LOL good one made me smile and chuckle. 1000 is alot even on a 100,000 grand one to mre. Its all relative.

Glad you had a laugh, but the math doesn't support it.

I already pointed out that for that $1000 increase (ballpark) they added a bunch of features, so it's really almost no increase at all (I was comparing a Kioti DK to NX).

They added a function to the HST that links pedal position to throttle, added stall guard, improved the cruise control so it holds ground speed rather than engine just RPM, added PTO cruise control, added auto PTO control and increased the 3pt lift capacity by 750lbs. The interior is also nicer, and they made a very slight improvement to the loader.

If you compare the two models, the NX is a better machine, with at least $1K worth of improvements, and it uses less fuel per hour on top of all of that. So, while the price is a bit higher, you get more for it. If other brands are terribly different, then I guess they're just sticking it to their customers because they can get away with it (some of them have been doing that all along).

 

[DarkBlack]

Interesting reading. I dont see any consideration for the amount of running time and fuel used and how the huge price increase is going to turn away some people from buying new.Very similiar to what they did with cars.
just don't seem to be really serving much purpose when I only burn about 15 or 20 gallons a year. I guess ill continue to pollute and feel good about the older tractors.
I assume that the dealers feel people will pay the huge increases. But then again most people are not paying for the tractors these days they are on payment plans.

Agreed. You have to pay for all the emissions complexities to burn 20 gallons a year on a little tractor, but it's OK to burn 1,000 gallons a winter of HHO with a simple burner.

 

[DarkBlack]

Um, not so fast. Tier 4 really adds no more electronics or hardware than a computer controlled Tier 3 machine. As I said, basically you get a cool stainless muffler and a little different user experience.

OK. Let's pretend we believe that for a second. Then please explain how a singular tractor addition: That being a "cool stainless muffler" accomplish a "different user experience"??

 

[ShowroomShine]

OK. Let's pretend we believe that for a second. Then please explain how a singular tractor addition: That being a "cool stainless muffler" accomplish a "different user experience"??

Because on the exact same electronic display that was on Tier 3 tractors...a little icon comes up and says "regen". Thats it, most of the customers I have demonstrated this to commented that if I hadn't told them the machine would do this they would never have known.

 

[grm61]

Because on the exact same electronic display that was on Tier 3 tractors...a little icon comes up and says "regen". Thats it, most of the customers I have demonstrated this to commented that if I hadn't told them the machine would do this they would never have known.

Would you please tell me who makes the TIER 3 CUT that is computer controlled, and has the display that says regen?