Craftsmen Who Work With Their Hands

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With so many talented, well...multi-talented people on here that seem to be more self-sufficient than people that are generally found in society, I wanted to post this in honor of those members.
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John Ratzenberger

http://www.ratzenberger.com/manufacturing.php

http://www.ratzenberger.com/

He played a character on the old Cheers show. His father was a master carpenter. He believes that the media, thru television and movies have done their best to degrade skilled craftsmen who work with their hands. Portraying them as a lower class citizen. Like mocking the "plumbers pants" over and over.

But, he is trying to bring children to see these skilled craftsmen actually at work. The piece I saw on him show junior high and high school kids seeing welders at work. There were several girls who were amazed at the freedom of creativity that could be achieved.

Associated with this idea, it has been pointed out that "modern" fathers never grew up tinkering with mechanical things. They tinker with smart phones, computers and other things. Consequently, if their child's chain comes off their bike....dad cannot put it back on! Down to the bike shop.....when they open up.

I grew up taking things apart, like my mother's Kirby vacuum. It went back together well, except for a few misplaced parts. It self-destructed later. But, we learned the value of proper dis-assembly and re-assembly, and paying attention to detail. I guess kids, and their fathers, are not curious as to how things work. I guess they have no need for self-reliance, either. What to do when a storm or natural disaster knocks out power? Sit and wait, freeze to death? Or, have generators that you understand how they work, and you can use? If something breaks or malfunctions, then can they figure out what most likely is wrong and fix it? Or, not.

My father and his friends always made and fixed things. When my father and mother first got married, they had no car. My father took and old electrical motor, re-wound it and made a mower deck from wood to make a lawn mower. Maybe not impressive to the snob who could buy and expensive mower, but never used it because he could not take the Summer heat. Before there were lift kits for vehicles, they made their own. Same with snorkels for early ATVs, like the Honda ATC. Sears drier hose did pretty good. He made me some golf clubs from conduit. Nowadays, not all, but many young electricians cannot use a foot bender. They need an electrically powered hydraulic one. If they mis-bend a piece of conduit, they discard it, as they cannot back the bend out.

If my bike had a flat, my father taught me to patch it, or put a tube in it. We played all sports, and a neighbor who played golf was amazed at my little clubs made from conduit. When you cannot afford to buy something, you have to make the best thing you can or do without. Being able to repair things can save you a lot of money and sometimes what was a mystery turns out to not be so hard, it may just take the right tools or materials or techniques.

Without going on for 100 pages, you know what I mean...I hope. I truly hope this "Manufacturing Crisis in America" program Mr. Ratzenberger is a part of will expand for the good of the coming generations, and our country. Where would we be now without our manufacturing compatibilities and machine tools of World War Two and the men AND women who pitched in?

So if your family or friends think you are stupid or waste your time in the shop, they probably just don't really understand how much good you are doing for them, yourself and your savings account.
 
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Just yesterday I was speaking with a man about the advantages of choosing a career in an aprenticed trade skill over a college degree. It is easy to forget that colleges are in the business of selling degrees.
 
/ Craftsmen Who Work With Their Hands #4  
Couldn't agree more. I'm very happy with the choice I made to become a carpenter. I did my apprenticeship, learned a trade, and that's something I can take with me and do anywhere.
I see the influx of kids coming out of college with staggering debt, and many vying for the same job. Jobs that sometimes seem useless to me. They also have this sense of entitlement. I have a degree, I deserve to start at $80k. It's a sad trend. Then to have them look down on me if I'm some second rate citizen, when the truth is I look down on them as being useless. When the power goes out what are they left to do but stare at a blank computer screen.
It starts back in school. I remember being pushed toward college like it was the only logical choice. Well unlike many of my college bound friends, I have no debt other than my mortgage, a nice savings account, and a career with good health insurance, pension and annuity. While many of them are still struggling to further a college degree years after their initial graduation in the hopes it may provide them some more job security or the pay they feel they deserve.
But I digress.
It makes me happy to no end to see the creativity, ingenuity and craftsmanship of so many individuals on sites like this one. When so many of my friends look at me like I'm crazy or wonder why anyone would put forth such effort into constructing things themselves

Jay
 
/ Craftsmen Who Work With Their Hands #5  
Although I have several college degrees, and have had a number of different type jobs, I've always tried to do it myself. With a full set of concrete tools, many carpentry and mechanical tools and eight grandsons, there is hardly a one that I can leave this stuff to. Most of them have college degrees and seem little interested in such things. ....likewise the girls don't sew or can or stay home and take care of the kids. Oh well. I still patch the knees in my coveralls..........But wait,..........what's a coverall?:laughing:
 
/ Craftsmen Who Work With Their Hands #6  
no degrees from the recognized institutes ... although I have my EMERITUS form the SOHK ...

learned most things from books ( remember those? ) and a lot from the trades people by asking questions when I was a lot younger ... then doing things myself .

when was the last time you saw someone change a tire on the side of the road ? ( or even put their snow tires on themselves? ) change their own oil ?

outside of a few gearheads and some of the folks here , they are few and far between ....
delving into the wiring of their machine ... fewer headcounts
hydraulics ... few still
welding ... well most can count them on one hand

people today don't want to get their hands dirty ... why wold I do "that" when I can pay someone to do it ...
or "my time is money" even though they are not at work ...

they pay someone to cut the grass with their push mower , then go to the GYM to run on a treadmill ....
pay someone to stack wood , then go to the gym and lift weights ....
take the elevator , then go to the gym to do "stairs" ...

at high school , they should list the pay scales for each trade as well as the salaries for those with degrees ... and the amount of time for the apprenticeships / degrees.

remember , "knowledge based" jobs in the high tech / engineering are very portable and can be outsourced easily ....
but fixing the pipe in someone's house or repairing their car isn't ...
 
/ Craftsmen Who Work With Their Hands #7  
It is cyclical. When all the investors demanded more profits, they convinced politicians and business to divest their manufacturing overseas. Now that chicken has come home to roost with high unemployment and severe lack of expierenced craftspeople. fortunately (or not) there isn't a darth of economic expansion going on at present that requires tons of craftspeople.

Now we are saddled with too many people on public assistance, and unsustainable debt. This coupled with a generation that doesn't have a clue about self sufficiency.

Yup, I still fix worn out mowers, and patch my jeans. Life is good.
 
/ Craftsmen Who Work With Their Hands #8  
There will hopefully always be a place for both and oftentimes in today's workplace both are needed.
 
/ Craftsmen Who Work With Their Hands #9  
I tried the college routine, but it wasn't for me. I got a summer job in construction and just never went back to college. I worked as a helper, then structural welder, pipe welder, welding supervisor and on up the line as a QA Manager and a couple jobs as a Project Manager. I worked the final 12 years of my career on jobs outside the USA making more than most doctors make per year and with only 1 year of college education but lots of years of hands on work experience. Not many folks would believe that a basically high school grad could make $300K per year. While this is not an entry level salary, there are many jobs available in construction that pay over $100K yearly and even more. A welder can make $35 per hour plus a per diem in many cases to put him above $100K annual salary with just a bit of OT.

A college degree doesn't ensure that a person has knowledge, just that he is capable of learning. I have many times had to school college grads in engineering on how to properly design something to meet Code requirements. A real life work experience and reading comprehension is something they don't teach in college.
 
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Some of you guys talk about getting a apprenticeship - how does one do that? In my experience, getting a apprenticeship is harder than getting into a very good college. The only apprenticeships I've seen are union jobs, and they are pretty scarce these days. I can't think of a single non union job with a pension, unless it's a elected position. You never hear of a non union company that has job training. And the taxpayer's aren't real keen on setting up vocational schools.
 
/ Craftsmen Who Work With Their Hands #11  
no degrees from the recognized institutes ... although I have my EMERITUS form the SOHK ...

learned most things from books ( remember those? ) and a lot from the trades people by asking questions when I was a lot younger ... then doing things myself .

when was the last time you saw someone change a tire on the side of the road ? ( or even put their snow tires on themselves? ) change their own oil ?

outside of a few gearheads and some of the folks here , they are few and far between ....
delving into the wiring of their machine ... fewer headcounts
hydraulics ... few still
welding ... well most can count them on one hand

people today don't want to get their hands dirty ... why wold I do "that" when I can pay someone to do it ...
or "my time is money" even though they are not at work ...

they pay someone to cut the grass with their push mower , then go to the GYM to run on a treadmill ....
pay someone to stack wood , then go to the gym and lift weights ....
take the elevator , then go to the gym to do "stairs" ...

at high school , they should list the pay scales for each trade as well as the salaries for those with degrees ... and the amount of time for the apprenticeships / degrees.

remember , "knowledge based" jobs in the high tech / engineering are very portable and can be outsourced easily ....
but fixing the pipe in someone's house or repairing their car isn't ...


No offense, but you Canadians have no idea how screwed up the US is. The folks in Canada enjoy a higher standard of living, and a lot more security than we do. We are to you what Mexico is to the US. Btw, I have cousins in Windsor.
 
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Some of you guys talk about getting a apprenticeship - how does one do that? In my experience, getting a apprenticeship is harder than getting into a very good college. The only apprenticeships I've seen are union jobs, and they are pretty scarce these days. I can't think of a single non union job with a pension, unless it's a elected position. You never hear of a non union company that has job training. And the taxpayer's aren't real keen on setting up vocational schools.

A very good question. I tried that route for years... I had two years in trade school, several welding certs, and years of expierence. No luck. However, today, many union members come from non union shops, and their skills and expierence are credited as journeyman level. If you have expierence, call your local hall and ask them.
 
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My apprenticeship was through the local carpenters union. There was a test and interview, but we're finding fewer and fewer applicants these days. I know there are a lot of arguments for or against unions, but around here in construction you'd be working with little pay and no benefits. So I suppose it outweighs the greedy management
 
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While I have more than my share of college hours, and a couple of degrees, I for one, have a great appreciation and respect for skilled craftsmen. My father was one of those; he could fix or design and make just about anything he set his mind to. I always admired my father for those skills; he could also operate just about any piece of machinery or drive any vehicle he ever saw...he also taught school when he was younger. I am sorry to say that I do not have those skills, at least to degree than he had, but I do like to do a little woodworking and manage to produce a useful item once in a while.

I also have a great respect for academic accomplishment, especially when it's coupled with ability and common sense. I think, however, that academics often do not understand or appreciate the combination of intellect and skill, not to mention experience, that it takes to make a good craftsman. It is a crying shame that this country is run by a bunch of bottom line college brats instead of craftsmen who know that a dollar out has to be offset with a dollar+ in.
 
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As mentioned, we need both types of people and I hate to see either looked down on or devalued as it seems some do. I don't really care if my doctor, nurse, lawyer, CPA, financial planner etc. can change a flat or their oil nor do I care that my plumber, home builder/carpenter, truck/car/tractor mechanic etc. is familiar with anatomy, psychology, philosophy, literature etc.
 
/ Craftsmen Who Work With Their Hands #16  
As mentioned, we need both types of people and I hate to see either looked down on or devalued as it seems some do. I don't really care if my doctor, nurse, lawyer, CPA, financial planner etc. can change a flat or their oil nor do I care that my plumber, home builder/carpenter, truck/car/tractor mechanic etc. is familiar with anatomy, psychology, philosophy, literature etc.

Agree. It's been my experience, though, that skilled practitioners are often not as narrow as one might think, and have a much broader interest and knowledge base than one might suspect.
 
/ Craftsmen Who Work With Their Hands #17  
True tripleR, it's more about the balance between the two.

Have to love Mike Rowe

 
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Automobile Dealerships are finding it harder and harder to find "Tech's" to work in their Service Departments. A good automotive tech can make $80,000 plus per year plus benefits and are in great demand. To be a good tech one must constantly study and train on new automotive advances and diagnostic equipment. They also must not be brain dead from excessive weekend mary john use when reporting for work on Monday morning.
 
/ Craftsmen Who Work With Their Hands #19  
Agree. It's been my experience, though, that skilled practitioners are often not as narrow as one might think, and have a much broader interest and knowledge base than one might suspect.

Oftentimes yes, but oftentimes no, depend on where you are. I've known both kinds over the years.

True tripleR, it's more about the balance between the two.

Have to love Mike Rowe

I'm a big fan of Mike Rowe and John Ratzenberger. I agree that a balance is good and my family is a mix of trades people and college educated. At our family gatherings one would be hard pressed listening to the conversation who did what and if you needed oil changed, flat fixed etc., you would get plenty of help. It seems this is becoming less and less common though. It would take too long to explain why I think this is true and be pretty boring.
 
/ Craftsmen Who Work With Their Hands #20  
Automobile Dealerships are finding it harder and harder to find "Tech's" to work in their Service Departments. A good automotive tech can make $80,000 plus per year plus benefits and are in great demand. To be a good tech one must constantly study and train on new automotive advances and diagnostic equipment. They also must not be brain dead from excessive weekend mary john use when reporting for work on Monday morning.

Now, now Gator, I thought the majority (of at least the potheads) had established that MJ was harmless and might actually be good for you.:D

Years ago, having worked with some of the types that indulged in that usage, I was left with the impression that they were as Bill Cosby calls it "dain bramaged":)
 

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