I got a Tractor!

[The Chicken]

I had previously asked for a little help here on pricing a tractor.

And while I did not get that particular tractor, I bought another one that was, I think, more within my budget. I say I think, because it doesn't run, and is pretty beat up. We will see if I can bring it back to life.

I figured I would post this up, because I am sure I am going to have lots of questions and need tons of help, as this is my first tractor.

It is an International 3514. I don't know if I am posting this in the right section, as I did not see a sub forum for International tractors. If it needs to go elsewhere, please advise.



Here she is! What a beauty, right?

Anyway, my first problem is that it does not run, the previous owner said there was something wrong with the carb, so I started there. Boy, they weren't kidding. Aside from being full of crud and needing a total rebuild, the throttle shaft is so worn it moves all over in the shaft bore. The shaft is brass, the carb is cast iron. I ordered a rebuild kit from Steiners, but they dont have a bushing kit for that carb. I was thinking of trying to make a new shaft out of stainless, then boring the carb body out and pressing in bronze sleeves and reaming to fit. Anybody have any experience with something like this? any thoughts!



Anyway, thanks in advance for any help!

 

[HarryN]

I don't have any answers for you, but look forward to seeing your progress..... good luck and thanks for the pictures.

 

[paulfun9]

I have rebuilt many carbs that were way beyond their useable lifespan. Mostly they were done for collectors that couldn't find the correct replacement but wanted original or some time period upgrade or modification. With something that is to be used I have found it much quicker to Find a carb with useable fuel delivery or something that is easy to tune to a multitude of engines and simply build an adapter plate to make it fit. Most carbs are tune-able if you understand them but most aftermarket carbs from Webber and Delloto are built to be adapted to anything.

 

[varmint]

Wow- imagine a twin throat Weber on that beauty! Anyway, this should be a good, long thread. Lots of photos, too, I hope.

 

[Gordon Gould]

Welcome to TBN. Congrats on your new tractor.

This sounds like the start of a very interesting thread where a lot can be learned, Thanks for starting it and keep it up.

 

[DABSGT]

Congratulations on your first tractor, looks like it will be a fun project and with a little TLC a nice tractor. I have seen many older carbs most a bit sloppy with the linkage but work fine after rebuilding. Sorry I can't be much help but look forward to your progress. I be tackling an older allis B in the spring with carb issues hope I too can learn from your post. Don't forget photos.

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[BobG_in_VA]

What model number is the Marvel S. carb...it might be better to look for a complete used one....BobG in VA

 

[fitter1]

Try a local carb repair shop. I've used them to rebuild fuel injectors for 1/10th the cost of new ones. I'm sure this can work for you.

 

[roadhunter]

Welcome. I bought a similar machine for my first. I rebuilt the carb, repacked front bearings, changed all the fluids and filters, fixed the diff lock pedal, put a liner in the gas tank, and decided that was enough. I spent more time working on that thing than using it. Hopefully yours will go smoother.

 

[stingray1]

Congrats and good luck.

 

[The Chicken]

Thanks for all the replies.

Steiner actually sells a replacement rebuilt carb for about 200 bucks. But I am trying to get this running for as cheap as possible so that I can see what other issues the tractor has-and I suspect they are plenty! This poor thing is hammered. Pretty much every pin hole is worn out, numerous leaks, old hoses, was run without an air cleaner for at least a little while (DOH!)

Speaking of, does anybody have a photo of what the air cleaner assembly is supposed to look like? Seems like I'm just missing the element and bottom cover.

Also, the guy I bought it from stated that the gannon would just fall at random. I suspect a bad lift control or lift piston seals.

Anyway, I anticipate that this will be a cornucopia of problems.

And I am not sure if I will see it through to the end, or at some point decide it's not worth it and just move along. Either way, I figure I will learn a bunch.

So, with all that in mind, I think I will just try to machine my own shaft and bushings. The material wont cost much, and I have a mill and lathe, and I don't think I can hurt it any worse than it already is!

 

[The Chicken]

Here are some more photos, and a few questions.



So here is the box blade. There are a few issues with it. First, it is nearly toothless! Any idea where I might find rippers that are even close to these? The blade and rippers were made by some company called Ormco, and the ripper shank has the number "M53 A" on it. A search of the net revealed no information on this company, so I assume they are long gone.

Also, I have a 3-point question. As you might be able to see, this blade has the hydraulic side likk for changing the angle of the blade. But what I thought was supposed to be a solid link on the other side is built somewhat like a ram or shock with a shaft that slides in and out of the main body-seemingly negating the affect of the hydraulic link oppiste it. What am I missing here?



I discovered a new use for a tire iron!

 

[geneP]

From the picture, I see a hydraulic top link to adjust the bite of the blade. It is between the tractor and the blade. The cylinder on the top of the blade is to raise/lower the scarifier teeth.

 

[TugHillDog]

Congrats! this baby looks heavy duty!!
I am sure way more talented and experienced wrenchers on this site will give you better advice than me. but I appreciate your sand in purchasing this beast and, like others, look forward to you revealing the mystery as she takes form.

Best of Luck in the project and please keep us in the loop!

 

[The Chicken]

From the picture, I see a hydraulic top link to adjust the bite of the blade. It is between the tractor and the blade. The cylinder on the top of the blade is to raise/lower the scarifier teeth.

Yes, I under the blade pitch control top link, and the ripper ram with the super cool high tech lug wrench for a pin. But its the other non-hydraulic link that I thought was supposed to be a fixed length that I don't understand. Perhaps its like the extendable lower links for easier connection to the implement and a pin or retaining clip is just not in?

 

[geneP]

Yes, I under the blade pitch control top link, and the ripper ram with the super cool high tech lug wrench for a pin. But its the other non-hydraulic link that I thought was supposed to be a fixed length that I don't understand. Perhaps its like the extendable lower links for easier connection to the implement and a pin or retaining clip is just not in?

OK, The internationals I have owned have a threaded nut inside the outer housing. The nut can float inside the link housing, or can be pinned to make it rigid. Look for a hump around the middle of the link and a hole through the hump for a pin.

 

[paulfun9]

Wow- imagine a twin throat Weber on that beauty! Anyway, this should be a good, long thread. Lots of photos, too, I hope.

Dellorto, SU, Solex and Webber all had many more than the twin IDF and IDA type carbs to choose from Not sure what all is still available these days but surely with a little foot work there is a carb that's compatible weather it be new or sitting in a parts yard waiting to be put to good use.

 

[paulfun9]

Having your own Mill and Lathe will make the bushing replacement easy, most don't have that luxury! If you just want to set it running without any real time or money invested use some leather to tighten up the shaft. It will work good enough for a test run and then you will know if its worth the time to do a real rebuild or to buy a rebuilt carb.

 

[byronlj]

An old trick for quadrajet rebuilders was to use the throats from 30-06 brass as bushings for throttle plates. Just something to think about.
Dave

 

[MjrWey]

Congrats, I bought my first tractor two years ago and sold it last season. Already bumming I sold it and currently shopping for another. Learned a lot about them in a very short time though. Also learned some of the things i'd like on my next one. Power Steering for sure! Had a Bolens G214 and it was hard turning her with a loader up front. Moved snow like a dream though.