Wind Turbine ********. Just opened the mail and seen the plan for three massive units

[gsganzer]

For the anti Nuke crowd..... did you realize that if you had all the waste from every plant ever built to deal with, you only need a hole 1/2 the size of Manhattan Island? It is a risk vs reward vs cost per watt deal.

You are grown men and all have internet connected computers. Take off the rose colored glasses and propose a better, more efficient, more cost effective solution than nuclear power to reduce emissions and consumption of resources.

And most of that waste was generated from plants that operate quite differently then the newest designs and before waste was processed and refined to make more fuel. I read an article that all of the waste generated in the US since the start of the nuclear program would only fill a football field 3 feet deep. I was involved in a project about 10 years ago where they were testing "vitrifying" nuclear waste, where it was cast into glass blocks to prevent leaching during long-term storage.

If the US would standardize on one or two plant designs, construction, maintenance and overhaul costs would drop dramatically for nuclear power generation.

Like I said earlier in this post, our energy plan needs to be a comprehensive plan that includes nuclear, renewable, fossil and conservation.

 

[Sodo]

Like I said earlier in this post, our energy plan needs to be a comprehensive plan that includes nuclear, renewable, fossil and conservation.

Would be nice, but there as long as there exists a buyer, petrol left in the ground is like leaving money on the table.

One way to reduce the petroleum cost to the consumer is to pursue and expand alternate energies that compete for the consumer dollar. If the alternative energies gain a foothold, the price of oil has to drop. You fellas who think you have to battle alternative energies, what do you expect to gain from this?

I'm quite interested in why our fuel prices have dropped (20-30%) in the last year. Could it be due to conservation? Due to reduced demand because of alternative energies? Or has Big Oil manually increased output to reduce the price and stimulate demand? To get people to stop complaining about ( or support) Big Oil? Did Big Oil increase output so those who invest in alternative energies lose their shirts? Those are easy, normal tactics when you have control of the petroleum spigot, record profits and good supply.

I remember back when everyone was afraid we'd run out of oil?. :laughing: Now we're burning much much more and no end in sight - sort of. Maybe due to emergence of alternative energies they want to get it all out of the ground and converted to $$ before the game's over.

I don't expect to get this answer from "public info websites" created by competing energy companies. Not sure where to get it.

 

[houstonscott]

Why Tesla's Powerwall Is Just Another Toy For Rich Green People - Forbes

HS

 

[Sodo]

I don't expect to get this answer from "public info websites" created by competing energy companies. Not sure where to get it.

,,,,,,it's certainly not from Forbes! :laughing:

The current energy industry produces a reliable profit for investors. By default Forbes advice to their readers - will be articles to keep their readers invested in energies they have control of. And of course discredit energies they don't (yet) have control of. What else could their advice be? They are not a news agency, they are an investment reporting agency with tuth as their guide :laughing: right?

Everybody knows that the price of energy storage will come down, and sooner with aggressive development of the technology. Count your blessings if rich greenies will buy into it - they could be doing you a favor by volunteering as guinea pigs.

A PC in 1981 cost $3,000 (= $8,000 in 2015 dollars). Today a PC costs less than 5% of that. Certainly the Tesla Powerwall will have challenges, but discrediting it based on the current cost is pulling the wool over your eyes,,,,,,that's just ludicrous and intended for a dopey reader.

 

[houstonscott]

,,,,,,it's certainly not from Forbes! :laughing: The current energy industry produces a reliable profit for investors. By default Forbes advice to their readers - will be articles to keep their readers invested in energies they have control of. And of course discredit energies they don't (yet) have control of. What else could their advice be? They are not a news agency, they are an investment reporting agency with tuth as their guide :laughing: right? Everybody knows that the price of energy storage will come down, and sooner with aggressive development of the technology. Count your blessings if rich greenies will buy into it - they could be doing you a favor by volunteering as guinea pigs. A PC in 1981 cost $3,000 (= $8,000 in 2015 dollars). Today a PC costs less than 5% of that. Certainly the Tesla Powerwall will have challenges, but discrediting it based on the current cost is pulling the wool over your eyes,,,,,,that's just ludicrous and intended for a dopey reader.

Got news for you, the first Mac cost about $1200, today a good laptop is $2500. While what they do has increased the price has remained constant or increased. HS

 

[Egon]

Got news for you, the first Mac cost about $1200, today a good laptop is $2500. While what they do has increased the price has remained constant or increased. HS

What happened to wages in the interm.

 

[Sodo]

Got news for you, the first Mac cost about $1200, today a good laptop is $2500.

HS I get the impression the validity of your news sources takes a back seat to your other concerns.

 

[houstonscott]

What happened to wages in the interm.

Depends on where you live, Detroit, Baltimore, old NE yestercities, maybe not so good. Houston, Phoenix, Dallas, Austin, great.

 

[houstonscott]

HS I get the impression the validity of your news sources takes a back seat to your other concerns.

I'd love to see a battery break through, but LI batteries are 30+ years old, solar PV is 60+ years old, I'm under no delusion putting a few hundred AA in a pretty box is ground breaking, or game changing product. While it's designed for home use straight up, and that's great, I'm afraid the costs still put this outside the box. Still far simpler and cheaper to buy power at night, not to mention fire hazard of LI on that scale and size anywhere near my home. It's actually more interesting to me as standby or emergency power, compared to cost of diesel standby unit. HS

 

[gsganzer]

I'm quite interested in why our fuel prices have dropped (20-30%) in the last year. Could it be due to conservation? Due to reduced demand because of alternative energies? Or has Big Oil manually increased output to reduce the price and stimulate demand? To get people to stop complaining about ( or support) Big Oil? Did Big Oil increase output so those who invest in alternative energies lose their shirts? Those are easy, normal tactics when you have control of the petroleum spigot, record profits and good supply.

Oil prices dropped because Saudi Arabia flooded the market with oil. Supposedly this was a tactical move by Saudi Arabia to help drop the price and put North American production companies (probably who you keep referring to as "big oil") out of business as a way to eliminate competition. It's also suspected that the flood of the market and plummet in prices was coordinated by the US and its allies, as a way to keep Vladimir Putin in check. Russia cannot produce oil at the current prices and any economic sanctions imposed due to their invasion of Ukraine will have a greater impact.