The younger workforce.

[MossRoad]

One of the tenants lost his job during the crash... he was one of the last laid off from the graphic design company... for more than 2 years he got the max unemployement... each time it was about to end it would get extended.

He did get married and they had a child and for the first year of his daughter's life he was mister mom pulling in $1800 a month unemployment.

Just when unemployment ended his old boss called him up and asked him to come back... he was one of two from 14 that originally worked there to get asked back...

My 14 year old niece was always asking if I had any jobs... and she was a good worker... her dad didn't really want her working... told her to concentrate on school and sports...

So about the only job he is fine with is babysitting not on a school night... she makes in 4 hours what it took me 40 hours to make at her age.

We were concerned that not having a job during high school may affect our oldest negatively. Let's just say the lack of a job in high school had ZERO affect on her work ethic.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Growing up in appalacia, we were poor, but so was everyone else, so we didn't know it. My parents never had the opportunity to go to college, which meant low paying jobs. Fortunately my parents were smart, knew how to save money and didn't waste it. The difference is having values and work ethic, and teaching right from wrong, and expecting your kids to learn and do the same. 7 siblings, one now gone. All went to college, 6 with a 4 yr degree. We worked to help pay for school, no student loans that I know of. I borrowed a little from my parents and paid them back.
Life is what you make it. You have to have a goal and a desire. Entitlement just enslaves you.
My son is going to an out of state private university for the same I would pay instate public tuition. There are options out there, seek and ye shall find.

 

[Luke'sScreenName]

Typical of today's society...find someone else to blame...!

Im gonna give you the benifit of the doubt and assume you meant that with all of the irony that it represents. Lol.

 

[KennyG]

The Detroit papers have run articles on this over the years. Tuition rates in Michigan are very high, and some states let you declare residency after 1 year.

Here is an interesting Big 10 comparison. U of M and MSU are a little higher than average but lower than Northwestern (private) and University of Illinois (state flirting with bankruptcy and no longer providing much support to higher education). These schools are very selective and will turn out graduates that have bright futures. The problem is the 3rd tier schools that will admit any student to keep the cash flowing and encourage them to go into debt for a relatively low value education.

Big Ten Conference (B1G) 2015-2016 Tuition Comparison

 

[smstonypoint]

Here is an interesting Big 10 comparison.........

Penn State's tuition is surprisingly high.

Steve

 

[KennyG]

Penn State's tuition is surprisingly high.

Steve

Pennsylvania is a bit odd, from an education viewpoint. Penn State, Pitt and Temple are the only notable public schools, all the others are private. Even University of Pennsylvania is a private school. Maybe because the history goes back so far?

 

[Danno1]

As a kid, I found Roy Rogers un-watchable. Pat was too stupid. And with all those bullets flying, Roy always ended up in a fistfight. Man, he was a lousy shot! And for a long time I couldn't figure out why they rode horses if there was a jeep around? If you had a friend like that Pat, you'd not take him on any more adventures after the 3rd time the bad guys got the drop on him.

I liked The Rifleman, and F Troop (oh, man, that's bad! :laughing: ).

F-Troop was kinda equiv to the 3 Stooges. Still, for a 8-12? yr old, I liked it (both!).

The Rifleman usually had some moral lesson. Hey, anyone know how many shots Chuck Connors fires in the opening of each show? Hint: you have to close your eyes and not watch his hand.



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[MossRoad]

He fires 12 but you hear 13.

 

[Danno1]

He fires 12 but you hear 13.

You're good!



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[MossRoad]

I have a habit of counting shots from living in a bad neighborhood!

I also have a habit of watching TV and noticing when sounds don't match the action or people's lips don't line up with the words.

So one day I'm watching The Rifleman and count 13. OOOO 13. That's bad luck. Just like 13 loops in a hangman's noose, as lore has it. So every day I watched the opening of the show and watched how many times his hand cocks the gun. 12 times. That would make sense. He pulls the trigger for the first shot, then has to cock it 12 times to get 13 shots. But he never pulls the trigger. The gun is set up with a set screw that fires the trigger when he cocks it. He's actually firing the gun with the lever, not his finger.

Anyhow, I looked it up several years ago and the 13th shot was dubbed in.

 

[TomSeller]

I just hired a "kid" on my day job on Tuesday and already by Friday I am blown away by his focus and effort. When doing is I9 I realized he is 41. I thought his grey hair was premature . He looks young and we are not allowed to ask age.

A couple of months ago I hired a 28 year old that is fantastic. So if you take the time the good ones are out there.

But the bad ones may be at the front of the line. So filter through them and look for loyalty, family and work ethic traits. I have not had good luck with references.

 

[STx]

This thread covers most of the reasons we got rid of all our employees and subbed all our work out. With subs, I can afford to keep 3x the labor force I need to have so that when they flake out, and they always do eventually, I can just spread that work onto those that are still working until we can replace the flake and not overload anyone. With employees, I need to get a full 8 hour day out of everyone to be profitable. With subs, it doesn't matter if they only want to work 4 hours or only 3 days a week, they're paid a fixed rate per job and I'm guaranteed a profit on every one of them since my costs are fixed. The subs have mostly been more reliable and quality focused than our employees were because they have skin in the game and returns cost them money.

What I learned over 11 years of having employees was that everyone wanted to get paid but, nobody wanted a job.

My field is all outdoor manual labor and really too hard on the body for 90% of people once they hit about 30 so we were always dealing with the early 20's crowd. Even amongst the Hispanics, the work ethic in this group leaves a lot to be desired.

One season, we went through 44 employees to keep 4 positions filled and at the end of the season, I still didn't have anyone I wanted back the next season.

 

[ultrarunner]

What kind of work has such a high burn out rate?

 

[om21braz]

What kind of work has such a high burn out rate?

Possibly landscaping as a good friend of mine has the same problem.

 

[stan33]

If the slackers don't have the work ethic you just can't make a profit out of them. It's such a shame you can't use the whip any more, to really make 'em learn the meaning of who's boss and what real work means. Boss man sure needs to keep up his living standards up at the big house, yes siree.

 

[MossRoad]

This thread covers most of the reasons we got rid of all our employees and subbed all our work out. With subs, I can afford to keep 3x the labor force I need to have so that when they flake out, and they always do eventually, I can just spread that work onto those that are still working until we can replace the flake and not overload anyone. With employees, I need to get a full 8 hour day out of everyone to be profitable. With subs, it doesn't matter if they only want to work 4 hours or only 3 days a week, they're paid a fixed rate per job and I'm guaranteed a profit on every one of them since my costs are fixed. The subs have mostly been more reliable and quality focused than our employees were because they have skin in the game and returns cost them money.

What I learned over 11 years of having employees was that everyone wanted to get paid but, nobody wanted a job.

My field is all outdoor manual labor and really too hard on the body for 90% of people once they hit about 30 so we were always dealing with the early 20's crowd. Even amongst the Hispanics, the work ethic in this group leaves a lot to be desired.

One season, we went through 44 employees to keep 4 positions filled and at the end of the season, I still didn't have anyone I wanted back the next season.

If you yourself admit the job it too hard for 90% of the people over 30, then you can't complain when 90% quit. For example.... your wash out rate is similar to the Delta Force and Navy Seals. Good grief.

 

[Cat_Driver]

BEST LINE EVER....."What I learned over 11 years of having employees was that everyone wanted to get paid but, nobody wanted a job. " This fits this generation. Realy this has been happening since the 80's 90's. "kids today" don't want to work, they want everything handed to them, and they want to be the boss two weeks on the job - OR they want to tell the boss how to run his business. I has a woman wok for me and she constantly gave me advice on how to run mys business. This coming from a person that has had dozens of jobs because people can't stand her telling ME who has been running the same business for 30 plus years.

I remember years and years ago I was paying people $12.00 an hour when the Min wage was $5.00. I had an employee DEMAND that I pay him $25.00 an hour. I said - follow me. I walked over to a 100 pound large crate and I said , go ahead pick that up - he said I can't. I called over two other workers and asked them to pick it up and they did it with no problem. I showed him I can buy TWO people for $25.00 an hour who can do twice the work of just one individual for $25.00 an hr. We parted company shortly after that.

I truly believe the government is the biggest problem to business owners. WHY would anyone want to work when they can get so much handed to them for doing NOTHING. These kids can stay home, play video hames, or do drugs and get by with all the freebies.
One guy on LA TV bragged about surfing all day, buying lobster all while being unemployed collecting benefits.
Going through the grocery line lately almost everyone is paying with the food stamp card, eating much better than me. I look at their cart and it's loaded with steaks, chips, snacks, all paid for by you and me.

 

[stan33]

I can buy TWO people

Says it all.

 

[Luke'sScreenName]

Says it all.

X2
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[ultrarunner]

Expectations are higher.

Guess it also depends on the industry...

As mentioned... the new hire fresh Nurses I hire have all been good over the last 15 years... they want the job and appreciate the opportunity.

That said, I tell them to use their time wisely, embrace learning and be flexible... sometimes cases run late and sometimes they are cancelled.

Most will eventually take their knowledge and go to work for Kaiser which offers better pay and benefits... for those with the right experience and this is what I can offer...

We have a few come back after their kids were born... working in the big city Hospital comes with more stress... just getting there and home each day.