The younger workforce.

[dfkrug]

The Detroit papers have run articles on this over the years. Tuition rates in
Michigan are very high, and some states let you declare residency after 1 year.

I am one of those who paid out-of-state tuition at MSU, and it was in the $40s per credit-hour. I moved
to MI from OH to study physics, and paid my own way. It took 2 years to convince the state to let me
pay in-state tuition. It was easier to get scholarship money. Course, that was 40y ago. I actually
paid off my 7% loans, too, but it took about 5 or 6y.

I shoulda gone to college in California.....

I don't think I know anyone 20-30 yo who actually paid their own way thru school.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

If the slackers don't have the work ethic you just can't make a profit out of them. It's such a shame you can't use the whip any more, to really make 'em learn the meaning of who's boss and what real work means. Boss man sure needs to keep up his living standards up at the big house, yes siree.

Let me guess. You have never put everything you own on the line for your business. That's OK, some of us are Bosses, and some of us are slackers...

 

[stan33]

Let me guess. You have never put everything you own on the line for your business. That's OK, some of us are Bosses, and some of us are slackers...

There are bosses and there are 'slavedrivers', which are you? And if you think the world is only made up of just two types of people, bosses and slackers, then you have very limited vision.

 

[Creamer]

It doesn't pay to give bad recommendations now days. You get sued.
My first W2 wages was when I was 14. Prior to that I worked in gas stations for Dad. No pay just treats.
Never received an allowance growing up. If we wanted something we found a job from neighbors or collected pop bottles for the refund to pay for it. Shoveling snow, mowing grass or loading/unloading firewood.

You just can't say it but you can let them know by how you say it - tone, hems and haws when they ask questions, etc. I will gladly do that for my friends at other companies - now my competitors??????

 

[ultrarunner]

A lot of it is expectations... parents are more willing to give a pass or make excuses.

Many also married younger... I know my friends that married young made them adults overnight... the kids, rent/mortgage... work, health insurance, etc.

I started paying for my own individual Health Insurance and Car Insurance at age 18.

We didn't have Health Insurance growing up and I paid my Dad for Car Insurance prior to 18.

Some of the things would did would be illegal or not even possible... like two 16 year old High School friends driving over Christmas from Oakland CA to Vancouver Canada... he had an uncle in Canada.... renting a motel room, crossing into Canada with a car...

Need I say more than keeping a 26 year old on the family Health Plan?

Here's a few more... driving to the park range with your buddies for target practice.... no one older than age 16.

Opening a bank account at age 12 with the deposit being your official paycheck from a weeks work at $1.65 and hour.

Getting you own credit card at age 16 by convincing the bank branch manager to make an exception because your were working and had a bank account/checking in good standing for 4 years... still with that bank today as are my brothers... my parents never had an account there and never did business with that bank.

Still remember the manager sitting me down and saying if I ran up a bill and decided not to pay... the bank would be out the money and it would come back on him... that $400 credit limit had me walking tall at age 16.

Thing is these were things many of my friends did... well most of them... one of my best friends signed on to can salmon in Alaska at age 16... away from home and came back with real money!

 

[jel1988]

I own and operate a small construction company. The size of my company is limited only by the number of workers I can hire, not the number of sales I could make. Usually by early summer I have pretty much sold out the working year. (work end late Nov. as the ground is frozen). The average age of my workforce is in the mid forties, I have tried everything to hire younger people. The younger they are the less the respect the job and their fellow employees. If a job is scheduled for a four man crew and one of them doesn't show the others have to pick up the slack and they don't care! I know most of my competitors and they have the same problems, in fact one haulage company I deal with has mostly senior citizen employees. They show up on time, work till the job is done without whining . For the last two years we have advertised for 2 entry level employees, qualifications: work boots, safety glasses and a drivers licence starting pay at least $13 with a raise in 60 days. I have also advertised for experienced workers at a higher pay scale and the only response I get is from guys in their late fifties displaced from the Canadian oil patch and would be willing to take a pay cut and work for $40-50 per hour (more than I charge). I want to grow my business and your only as good staff. However, I need people to show up everyday do the work assigned in a reasonable period of time with a professional look. If you don't have the skills I need we'll teach them to you. When young people interview they explain they have good computer skills and describe the job they expect, however that's my job and I'm not ready to give it up!

 

[oldpilgrim]

 

[ultrarunner]

Enjoyed the post ^^^

Here it would be High School kids looking for odd jobs, gardening, hauling and such.

Don't know how it is now... people would call the High School looking for kids to do odd jobs... especially guys that owned a pickup and the Dean of men would keep the list.

One of my friends had a 59 Chevrolet Pickup and he was always busy... on bigger jobs I would help.

A guy with a pickup in High School could always pickup extra money.

 

[flyerdan]

Of course if some kids do show ambition and try to make a bit of scratch with a snow shovel, they'll get shut down by bureaucrats, passing legislation at the behest of the bigger removal outfits. Granted, the story linked is a year old, but I'd wager the ordinance hasn't been repealed.

 

[bigtiller]

Enjoyed the post ^^^

Here it would be High School kids looking for odd jobs, gardening, hauling and such.

Don't know how it is now... people would call the High School looking for kids to do odd jobs... especially guys that owned a pickup and the Dean of men would keep the list.

One of my friends had a 59 Chevrolet Pickup and he was always busy... on bigger jobs I would help.

A guy with a pickup in High School could always pickup extra money.

Oh how I wished our school had something like that. There are so many times some older folks need help moving a dresser or something simple like that.

 

[ultrarunner]

I wonder if they still do today...

My first guess is everyone is so concerned about liability I and can see how they might no longer do it.

 

[NoTrespassing]

I'm not sure how to write this without it sounding bad, but this has been my experience. I've worked for the same company for almost 25 years and I've seen a lot of employees come and go. I think Americans in general have become lazy and feel entitled to more than they deserve for the amount of work they put in.

We've had employees who've immigrated from all over the world and from what I've seen, these immigrants have a much stronger work ethic. When I say this, I don't say it lightly. In fact I admit their work ethic is much stronger than mine! My advice to anyone hiring is to consider hiring an immigrant.

We have an employee from Taiwan and have had several from mainland China. We also have employees from The Philippines, India, and Turkey. I suppose one factor that makes them good employees is that in order to get to the United State these people have to be fairly driven in the first place. Out of the three employees we've had from The Philippines I can honestly say they were all or are very hard workers that showed up early every day and stayed late. They would each take all the overtime offered to them and if they couldn't get overtime they would get a second job.

We have friends from The Philippines that were nurses and dentists in their home country and in order to get a work visa, came here to be care givers in nursing homes for the disabled at minimum wage. Most take second jobs and work 60-80 hours per week sending as much money back home as they can.

That one care facility is staffed by about 80% Filipino now. My wife worked there until the day before our son was born. By the way, she never missed a day of work and was never late in almost 3 years of employment including her entire pregnancy. She was part of the "younger workforce" along with her coworkers. She could tell you many stories about her non Filipino coworkers.

Kevin

 

[bigtiller]

Our school's deceased football coach had a saying with regard to employment..... If you are on time,,,,,you are late.

 

[stan33]

'Fings Ain't Wot They Used T'Be' - 1960

 

[newbury]

I know a young man , he just turned 21 . <snip> Bought his first house at 21 , married at 22 .<snip>

?? Just turned 21, married at 22 ??

<snip>When young people interview they explain they have good computer skills and describe the job they expect, however that's my job and I'm not ready to give it up!

And they probably know they could run the business better than you.

Our school's deceased football coach had a saying with regard to employment..... If you are on time,,,,,you are late.

With the military terrain teams it was often the same. Show up at least 5 minutes early, fully prepared to do whatever. Not show up, go get coffee, chat, get a doughnut, go to the bathroom, etc.

 

[Creamer]

For me one of the real issues is the difference between what employees are paid versus what the employer has to charge for their time, i.e. the structural costs of having an employee. A car dealer charges $70+ an hour for their time but pays $17-20. The difference doesn't make the car dealer rich, it is all the costs of having an employee. Our politicians and lawyers and other do-gooders throw in lots of conditions and requirements that add costs which hurts everybody - both the employees and the consumers paying the high repair costs. they are essentially pricing the human out of the labor force as it is much cheaper to purchase tools and automate things than to hire somebody. Consequently you need a higher level employee to use those tools not just an entry level. The larger this gap gets the bigger the employers get, i.e. little places cannot know they are compliant, and the more discrepancy you get. It is a dangerous spiral because as soon as something else pops up out comes a new regulation that the employer must comply with which raises the costs more.

 

[300UGUY]

I am one of those who paid out-of-state tuition at MSU, and it was in the $40s per credit-hour. I moved
to MI from OH to study physics, and paid my own way. It took 2 years to convince the state to let me
pay in-state tuition. It was easier to get scholarship money. Course, that was 40y ago. I actually
paid off my 7% loans, too, but it took about 5 or 6y.

I shoulda gone to college in California.....

I don't think I know anyone 20-30 yo who actually paid their own way thru school.

Resident for MSU - 13,612 ( 907 per credit hour ) Non resident $36,412 !! ( $2427 per credit )

120 credits needed for graduation Resident = $108895? Non resident = $291295?

This is from MSU's own site. I can't believe it's real.

UM is even higher - 955 per credit for residents, $2892 per credit for non residents.

UM is really hard to get into. A lot of folks don't even try. If you aren't a 4.0 student, with lots of accolades, you won't even be considered.

I think I screwed up - if the tuition is for a year, rather than a semester, cut the numbers in half....

 

[300UGUY]

I know that with my nieces and nephews, their parents were much more concerned with them doing well in school, taking extra classes, sports, than them getting a job. Their parents see the workplace as much more competitive, and really, really, hope that the kids can get a scholarship of some sort. The kids whose parents don't do this are pretty well screwed. It is really competitive, and we have few winners, and lots of losers. Not the world I grew up in.

 

[MossRoad]

Resident for MSU - 13,612 ( 907 per credit hour ) Non resident $36,412 !! ( $2427 per credit )

120 credits needed for graduation Resident = $108895? Non resident = $291295?

This is from MSU's own site. I can't believe it's real.

UM is even higher - 955 per credit for residents, $2892 per credit for non residents.

UM is really hard to get into. A lot of folks don't even try. If you aren't a 4.0 student, with lots of accolades, you won't even be considered.

You got some confusion going on there.... $13K per year X 4 years is $56K, not $108K.

But you didn't include room and board!

 

[smstonypoint]

Steve