How To Plumb Well Water Lines for 2 Homes

   / How To Plumb Well Water Lines for 2 Homes #41  
+1, great answer!

Consider using pex underground inside larger sleeved pvc pipe. If you ever have issues, sleeved lines are easily repaired with minimal/no digging.
 
   / How To Plumb Well Water Lines for 2 Homes #42  
Per Gould's Spec Sheet:

It is allowable to run branches off the pipe between the pump and the transducer/pressure sensor as long as no flow restricting devices are between the pump and the transducer.

Yeah Goulds uses a transducer, which works for that but has other problems. And the pipe and fittings can be a "flow restricting device between the pump and transducer". Make sure to use pipe that is large enough not to cause any restriction in this area.
 
   / How To Plumb Well Water Lines for 2 Homes #43  
I don't understand why you would have the controller and pressure switch at the house instead of at the well. You have to have power to the well regardless. Just put the controller and switch at the well.
 
   / How To Plumb Well Water Lines for 2 Homes #44  
I don't understand why you would have the controller and pressure switch at the house instead of at the well. You have to have power to the well regardless. Just put the controller and switch at the well.

Because:

1. The controller/switch are best located at or near the tank

2. Controller/switch, tank, fuses, etc. should be easily accessible, not in a hole in the ground.
 
   / How To Plumb Well Water Lines for 2 Homes #45  
Because:

1. The controller/switch are best located at or near the tank

2. Controller/switch, tank, fuses, etc. should be easily accessible, not in a hole in the ground.

I still don't get it. Must be a northern thang. All our wells have the tank, controller, and pressure switch at the well.
 
   / How To Plumb Well Water Lines for 2 Homes #47  
As a fellow Floridian I can understand your confusion .... we do not have to worry very much about freezing. A simple shed or even a garbage can can keep our pump equipment from freezing on those few days when we MIGHT get cold enough for that to be a problem.

In other areas where they not only have freezing worries, they also have basements and/or garages where they put things like this to keep them out of the weather.

Additionally, unlike Florida, where the well casing is terminated above the ground level, they terminate the casing below ground level (below the freeze line) to protect it from the cold - thus a "pit" is needed to access the well head - and they run all the pipes that deep or deeper. Because that pit is a bit of a pain to work in, an enterprising man (about 1941) developed the "pitless adapter" so the the drop pipe (and pump if submersible) can be pulled without actually having to try to work in the pit.

By using this method, well and/or plumbing work can even be done on very cold, freezing days. They can even replace the tank, switch and/or controller in relative comfort instead of having to dig mounds of snow from the well area and getting all wet in below zero weather.

Don't get me wrong, I know there are some additional cold days up there in Seminole Country that we here in Gator Country don't have to deal with, but Leon County never has the type of cold they have in Colorado, Canada, New York and almost any place a bit north of Thomasville.
 
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Can one connect PEX to a pitless adapter? I am looking to do this setup:

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   / How To Plumb Well Water Lines for 2 Homes #49  
Yes but be careful of size as you don't want any restrictions between there and the transducer.
 
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I am going with 1.25" PEX line from the pitless. The drop pipe is 1.25" Schedule 120 rigid PVC.

I am going with SharkBite PEX.

Is it OK to run the PEX and the insulated pump wiring in the same conduit? (SCH 40 pipe - 2" conduit)
 
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#51  
At the pitless adapter. How would one install and transition into PEX from the pitless which is a threaded female adapter?
 
   / How To Plumb Well Water Lines for 2 Homes #52  
I thought I answered this? I guess it didn't go through. Anyway with a 1 1/4" pitless, you will need a 1 1/4" male pip adapter to Pex. You may not be able to do that with one fitting. Just go from 1 1/4" male pipe thread to whatever you can find to attach to Pex.
 
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I thought I answered this? I guess it didn't go through. Anyway with a 1 1/4" pitless, you will need a 1 1/4" male pip adapter to Pex. You may not be able to do that with one fitting. Just go from 1 1/4" male pipe thread to whatever you can find to attach to Pex.

Thanks for the info

On the brass pitless when I unscrew the temporary galvanized pipe. I can just unscrew it from the outside without any worries of something loosening on the inside of the well, right?

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On the brass threads do you typically use pipe goop or teflon tape?


I found this brass SharkBite that is 1 1/4" male adapter to 1 1/4 PEX

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Interesting that the INNER DIAMETER of 1.25" PEX is 1.00"
 
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   / How To Plumb Well Water Lines for 2 Homes #54  
That fitting looks like it would work. And yes you can unscrew the pipe from the pitless without disturbing anything inside the casing. But you need to use a backup wrench to keep from turning the pitless shoe sideways. You should also check the friction loss of that 1" ID pipe to make sure it does not cause any restriction between the well head and the pressure transducer.
 
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That fitting looks like it would work. And yes you can unscrew the pipe from the pitless without disturbing anything inside the casing. But you need to use a backup wrench to keep from turning the pitless shoe sideways. You should also check the friction loss of that 1" ID pipe to make sure it does not cause any restriction between the well head and the pressure transducer.

The pressure transducer will be located inside the garage so the 1" ID PEX pipe will connect to the transducer inside the garage area. No restrictions.

At the pitless adapter the PEX will run underground about 80 feet to the garage where it will resurface and connect to the transducer.
 
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The charts I looked at show 1" PEX to have from 18 to 23 PSI loss per 100' at 20 GPM. If I remember correctly you are shooting for 26 GPM? I don't even see a chart with more than 20 GPM for 1".
 
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The charts I looked at show 1" PEX to have from 18 to 23 PSI loss per 100' at 20 GPM. If I remember correctly you are shooting for 26 GPM? I don't even see a chart with more than 20 GPM for 1".

Average pump output is 13GPM. So the 1" inner diameter PEX will suffice.

Pump can put out 23 GPM but that is at full flow open line which is not required/needed for the house.
 
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Just need some info before I dive into this job.

Looking at the below photo. I want to remove all the galvanized pipe up to the pitless adapter. I can do that without any worries of the pitless adapter coming loose in the well, right?


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The large brass nut at the pitless (see photo) will be held in place with a wrench and then I plan on just unscrewing the male galvanized pipe that's currently threaded into it. Then it will be replaced with a 1.25" brass SharkBite male adapter. See photo.

On the brass threads do you typically use pipe goop or teflon tape?

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   / How To Plumb Well Water Lines for 2 Homes #59  
Don't hold the brass nut but the fitting the brass nut screws on to. As long as you don't unscrew the brass nut off the fitting the pitless will be held tight to the casing. Teflon tape or pipe dope either will work. I use both with the tape first then dope over the tape. In my opinion Teflon paste is too slick and doesn't let the fitting get tight.
 

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   / How To Plumb Well Water Lines for 2 Homes #60  
Your pump installer should've gave you the option to use PEX or Wirsbo/Uponor. If he didn't have the products or equipment to do the job, then he should've recommend you to a plumber that knows what he is doing or the plumber needs to ask the pump installer what size pipe to use so he doesn't cause friction loss when running multiple faucets at once for both houses.

I would post some links for you but I don't have enough posts yet. A male adapter would do the job coming out the pitless with a solid 1.25" but I have used SharkBite fittings on brass/copper tank tees on tank removal with no problems as well when the line going to the tank is copper and not brass. I wouldn't recommend 1" for two houses. I usually see 1.5-2" pipe being used for two houses.

You can test friction loss by the way, just ask me how. For the people that have low pressure in their house and they can't figure out why when the plumber is blaming the pump installer for installing to small of a pump. I guess the plumber doesn't realize that the faucets he is testing uses less than 10gpm so there should be no problems unless he didn't do something right on his end.
 
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