Tire grooving with my chainsaw

[k0ua]

You're absolutely right. I have a hill behind the shop that my New Holland can't make it up, even just pulling itself. Since the chainsaw method was so fast, I should have done a before and after video. The half hour would have limited the amount of change in conditions. I, however, didn't think of it at the time.

Oh, man what a unfortunate lost opportunity to settle this enquiry once and for all.. enquiring minds want to know.

 

[lilranch2001]

yea, its almost as important to us all as the pallet issue

 

[bcp]

yea, its almost as important to us all as the pallet issue

!! What happens to pallets in the snow? !!

 

[lilranch2001]

Its a mystery!

 

[motownbrowne]

Oh, man what a unfortunate lost opportunity to settle this enquiry once and for all.. enquiring minds want to know.

Now that I think about it, I am glad I didn't do any videos. The tire grooving debate is practically an institution on TBN. Who would I be to put a stop to it?


Setting "science", "variables", "objectivity", and "proof" aside (who needs 'em anyway?), I think I'll be able to tell very easily if I have achieved any improvement. First, I plow sometimes for my neighbor. Even with a small amount of snow she has an area that I can't plow going up hill. If I can pull the blade while going up after grooving my tires, that'll be an improvement. Also, my usual plowing method, which is also the most fun, is to plow to the end of my drive, then turn around in the road and come back the other way. I am usually plowing in high range (reverse is too slow in medium) at full throtte. To make my U-turn, I crank the wheel and stomp the go pedal. The result is that the chains on my front tires bite while my rears spin and I do an awesome power slide. So, what I'm getting at is that I'm pretty familiar with the slippiness versus traction characteristics of this machine. I regularly experience a situation where better traction will be noticed.

As I said earlier, I'll keep y'all posted.

 

[dragoneggs]

Empirical data always the best!

 

[sixdogs]

I knew a guy years ago that cut "W's" into R-4's and said it gave him greatly increased traction. He used a tire regrooving tool and I didn't pay much attention. In retrospect, I think he was onto something.

 

[9973720wb19]

you have bigger testis than I do sir

roger dat!!!

 

[ovrszd]

Now that I think about it, I am glad I didn't do any videos. The tire grooving debate is practically an institution on TBN. Who would I be to put a stop to it?


Setting "science", "variables", "objectivity", and "proof" aside (who needs 'em anyway?), I think I'll be able to tell very easily if I have achieved any improvement. First, I plow sometimes for my neighbor. Even with a small amount of snow she has an area that I can't plow going up hill. If I can pull the blade while going up after grooving my tires, that'll be an improvement. Also, my usual plowing method, which is also the most fun, is to plow to the end of my drive, then turn around in the road and come back the other way. I am usually plowing in high range (reverse is too slow in medium) at full throtte. To make my U-turn, I crank the wheel and stomp the go pedal. The result is that the chains on my front tires bite while my rears spin and I do an awesome power slide. So, what I'm getting at is that I'm pretty familiar with the slippiness versus traction characteristics of this machine. I regularly experience a situation where better traction will be noticed.

As I said earlier, I'll keep y'all posted.

You are going to compare grooved/nongrooved while running chains on the front??

The problem with this "testing" thing is when there's a failure, we don't know how serious the failure was. Did the tractor miss completing the task by just a "hair" or did it miss miserably??? Without knowing that we cannot decide if the grooving was a huge success or just marginal improvement.....

This may get much worse than the Pallet saga.

 

[motownbrowne]

!! What happens to pallets in the snow? !!

You are going to compare grooved/nongrooved while running chains on the front??

The problem with this "testing" thing is when there's a failure, we don't know how serious the failure was. Did the tractor miss completing the task by just a "hair" or did it miss miserably??? Without knowing that we cannot decide if the grooving was a huge success or just marginal improvement.....

This may get much worse than the Pallet saga.

Richard, I appreciate your skepticism. I believe I have responded to all of your skeptical posts very courteously and with good humor. I don't want this to be any exception.

I run chains on the front all winter on this tractor. Started doing it last year because the darned front tires wouldn't grip at all and I couldn't steer. Any comparison I make between grooved and non-grooved will include the front chains. They are not a variable, they are a constant

Furthermore, any compassion I make is purely anecdotal. I will by no means try to tell people grooving their tires will improve their traction. I will, however, relay my own experience with my grooved tires. You have relayed yours also, which I appreciate.

I am not trying to complete any "testing" for any purposes other than satisfying my own curiosity.

 

[bnsfgp38]

That's definitely different

 

[ovrszd]

Richard, I appreciate your skepticism. I believe I have responded to all of your skeptical posts very courteously and with good humor. I don't want this to be any exception.

I run chains on the front all winter on this tractor. Started doing it last year because the darned front tires wouldn't grip at all and I couldn't steer. Any comparison I make between grooved and non-grooved will include the front chains. They are not a variable, they are a constant

Furthermore, any compassion I make is purely anecdotal. I will by no means try to tell people grooving their tires will improve their traction. I will, however, relay my own experience with my grooved tires. You have relayed yours also, which I appreciate.

I am not trying to complete any "testing" for any purposes other than satisfying my own curiosity.

I'm totally not a skeptic. I'm a realist. I grooved a pair of tires. I tested them in every condition from ice to gooey mud. I was very open minded about it all. I believe you are too.

My responses are to claims of fantastic improvement that supersedes anything!!!!

Just saying, it's a very hard alteration to prove. Good or bad. We just all need to be realistic. I believe you are. Was simply teasing you with the chain comment, thus the smiley face. Maybe I should have used the "wink".

 

[motownbrowne]

I'm totally not a skeptic. I'm a realist. I grooved a pair of tires. I tested them in every condition from ice to gooey mud. I was very open minded about it all. I believe you are too.

My responses are to claims of fantastic improvement that supersedes anything!!!!

Just saying, it's a very hard alteration to prove. Good or bad. We just all need to be realistic. I believe you are. Was simply teasing you with the chain comment, thus the smiley face. Maybe I should have used the "wink".

10-4 good buddy. Glad we have an understanding.

 

[check]

So did the grooving help, or did it not?

 

[ovrszd]

So did the grooving help, or did it not?

Awwww jeeeezzzzz......

 

[lilranch2001]

back in the 70's when I "grooved" it always helped

 

[ovrszd]

back in the 70's when I "grooved" it always helped

Best you can remember anyway....

 

[lilranch2001]

0HELL
I can remember the 70s like it was yesterday, it's this morning that I have problems with

 

[Code54]

Here is a question - why does no one just make the R4's with the cuts as a factory tire?

 

[k0ua]

I for one would be very interested in hearing your analysis of your chainsaw grooved tires..