How far out can I extend a structure supported on one end?

   / How far out can I extend a structure supported on one end? #31  
I'm just jealous of the whole pond idea... my wife is poo-pooing my project to put a small pond in. Thinks it will be a mosquito noisy frog haven. We are blessed with no mosquitos now. No issues being outside in the evening. Can't say that about our last house! Even if we did put a pond in it would never be big enough and deep enough to swim in. Looking forward to seeing your build.
 
   / How far out can I extend a structure supported on one end? #32  
I'm just jealous of the whole pond idea... my wife is poo-pooing my project to put a small pond in. Thinks it will be a mosquito noisy frog haven. We are blessed with no mosquitos now. No issues being outside in the evening. Can't say that about our last house! Even if we did put a pond in it would never be big enough and deep enough to swim in. Looking forward to seeing your build.

Regarding frogs.... we get many peepers in our above ground pool winter cover. L.O.U.D. is an understatement. :laughing: That ends around May when we remove the cover. It's amazing how loud one tiny inch-and-a-half long frog can be.
 
   / How far out can I extend a structure supported on one end? #33  
Our neighbor to the north has a spring in the back of their property. It drains south onto my two properties. I rented an excavator, and a crane operator friend of mine dug us a pond. It is cool to see the ducks swimming around in the pond. :thumbsup:
 

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   / How far out can I extend a structure supported on one end? #34  
We have a number of cantilevered docks around here. They look cool, but if the water level varies, can be a long drop to the water.

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I went with a standard floating dock on my pond. Actually built a dock and an island and connected them with a bridge.

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   / How far out can I extend a structure supported on one end? #35  
I guess it all depends upon what the dock is to be used for. I just wanted to have a "point of interest" rather then having to get at the water. So it would not matter to me, how high the thing is over the water. The higher the better, for effect.

I saw that movie with the cantilever swimming pool atop a high building, complete with transparent bottom. I was surprised that they actually do exist!
 
   / How far out can I extend a structure supported on one end? #36  
Thanks for the replies. The pond has a plastic liner and is fed by a well so the level is constant. It does does not catch any run off. Since it has a plastic liner the soil around it is dry. Anchoring or putting legs in the pond is not feasible without damaging the plastic liner.

58,000 lb of concrete is about $1500. Not a deal breaker if I need that much.

I definitely plan to over design it.

30' out puts it over about 12' deep water.

When I was a kid, our next door neighbors had probably a 15' wood cantilever dock sticking out over the water. It lasted more than 25 years. I have no idea how it was anchored, or the dimensions of the lumber, except that it was an extension of a wooden walkway at the base of some very long, wooden steps coming probably 80' down a steep escarpment. So it was probably hung off of that. My dad and that neighbor were both architects, so they figured out something. Both were fond of cantilevers, as it was all the rage in the Frank Lloyd Wright era. It came out from shore between the branches of a huge weeping willow tree that touched the water's edge. They'd sometimes keep a small sailboat tied up to it, or the other neighbor's rowing scull. Really pretty. From the lake side, all you could see was the willow branches hanging down with a slight gap for the wooden dock sticking out. Wish I had a picture. It was beautiful. Best memory I have of it was when I was about 14 years old, out in my rowboat fishing on a nice, sunny day. Two of the 18 year old neighborhood girls walked out through the willow branches, waved to me, shouted "Hi!", jumped off the pier into the lake, turned around and then threw their clothes back up onto the dock! Then they swam out to my boat like mermaids and told me not to tell anyone! Wish I had a picture. It was beautiful. I probably looked like Ralphie from the movie 'A Christmas Story' when he was ogling the leg lamp. Anyhow, I didn't catch any more fish that day..... and really didn't care. :laughing: I doubt that wooden design would meet any codes, or support more than a few teenage girls. It kind of bounced like a diving board, and that's pretty much how we used it.

So some other considerations you might have is if it may or may not affect your homeowner's insurance and your property taxes. Just some things to think about.
 
   / How far out can I extend a structure supported on one end? #37  
   / How far out can I extend a structure supported on one end? #38  
Thanks for the replies. The pond has a plastic liner and is fed by a well so the level is constant. It does does not catch any run off. Since it has a plastic liner the soil around it is dry. Anchoring or putting legs in the pond is not feasible without damaging the plastic liner.

58,000 lb of concrete is about $1500. Not a deal breaker if I need that much.

I definitely plan to over design it.

30' out puts it over about 12' deep water.

can you drain it, and pull back the liner?
what material is the liner?
does it have any sort of "bottom drains" or "retro bottom drains"? if not when was last time it was drained and cleaned?
is pond setup to be self cleaning in a sense, to help keep the poo and waste from collecting on the bottom?

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make a long 30 foot floating raft, and then make a short ramp between bank and raft. and have long 30 foot dock per say. your asking for concrete and metal, and asking the dock to last for long years from now. three 10 foot floating rafts with correct pressure treated wood. last easy 15 years when taken care of.

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if you could drain and pull back liner. that would be most optimal. and tossing some concrete down. and then put liner back down, then drill through liner into concrete, and set some anchor bolts and attach a flange to the concrete on top of the liner. the flange = clamp with concrete, and liner acting like a rubber o-ring to create a water tight seal.

if you can drain water level "some" if not almost down to were liner is. you can still cut a section of liner out. to drill some holes. and drop some concrete down, or some post anchors down through the liner. then fix liner up with double sided tape. or a mechanical clamp / 0-ring clamp made out of some metal. (( two 4" toliet flanges = a mechanical clamp, with some bolts/nuts)) would say look at "bottom drains" for koi/goldfish ponds. in how they provide a "clamping ring" for hole through liners.

if worst comes to worst. get some thicker rubber mats. and layer them a couple inches thick or more. then build a wide base out of metal, that would fit down on the mats. ((like how a backhoe operator might toss out some plywood under the out riggers, to keep out riggers from sinking)) rubber mats there to act as a "cushion" between liner, metal bottom foot per say of a pipe that extends up.

you could do the "concrete bag" wall method. were ya lay down a row of concrete bags, and then stab them with some rebar. and then make another row of concrete bags, and stab the bags directly over the rebar. (bags and all) concrete never comes out of the bags. over time the bags will rot / tear away. but you can get a nice retaining wall. adjust this idea, in creating a "concrete bag" pad under water. were you have something to place a metal foot / bracing on. to run poles up to a dock.

other option, create a "floating ring" and drop plastic all the way to the bottom with some weights, to help keep plastic in place, and then just start shoveling in concrete right into the water, that is surrounded by plastic. the plastic will help reduce the concrete from spreading out into rest of the pond. ((dredging of rivers, creaks, mud ponds, were you do not want to send all the silt and muddy water to everything else)) the concrete will setup just fine and dandy under water. you would just need to make sure you got your PH testing supplies, and ability to counter act the concrete to make sure your water parameters do not go a miss. once concrete is cured, the concrete can act more of a buffer for pond/lake.
 
   / How far out can I extend a structure supported on one end? #39  
Think about this.... 10 fat boys (250 pounders = 2500# total) standing on the end of a 30' cantilevered pier can lift thirty seven thousand five hundred pounds only 24" behind a fulcrum.

Your gonna need a LOT of concreted to make it work or a longer lever behind the main pier.



From this on-line calculator...
Lever Mechanical Advantage Equation and Calculator - Case #1 | Engineers Edge | www.engineersedge.com

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The Boffins might not use that formula in their design calculations.

Pond/lake view:
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   / How far out can I extend a structure supported on one end?
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The liner is 40 mil HPDE. It is in place and pond is 3/4 full and filling by the minute. Not draining it nor does it have any drains. I do not want a floating dock or supports down in the water.

I have scrapped the five foot high part. The ground where the pond is slopes about 1' over the width of the pond which is just a big hole we dug in the ground. The dock will be on the high side and I won't fill the pond over the ground level on the low side so ground is about 1' over water level where I want the dock.

My plan is to dig a big hole for the footing, fill with concrete, and have the I beams basically sitting at ground level. I plan to secure them to the footing and then do a second pour over the top of and 1.5" over the I beams so that the concrete on land will be the same height as the 2x12's attached on top of the beams over the water.
 

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