Carry permit. Would traffic stop make police be more cautious? yea or nay?

[Ken45101]

A lawyer confirmed to me that ALL vehicles have to obey stops and red lights.
The difference is that LEO's and emergency vehicles are tolerated and there is no tolerance for a civilian even on a totally deserted highway.
Its the LAW!

It may be the law in your location, but it is not the law everywhere. From the Ohio Revised Code:

4511.03 Emergency vehicles at red signal or stop sign.
(A) The driver of any emergency vehicle or public safety vehicle, when responding to an emergency call, upon approaching a red or stop signal or any stop sign shall slow down as necessary for safety to traffic, but may proceed cautiously past such red or stop sign or signal with due regard for the safety of all persons using the street or highway.

There is a another large section of state law (4511.041) exempting emergency or public safety vehicles from 40 other sections of state law.

 

[TemporaryKubotaOwnerMark]

It may be the law in your location, but it is not the law everywhere. From the Ohio Revised Code:

There is a another large section of state law (4511.041) exempting emergency or public safety vehicles from 40 other sections of state law.

I know that's the case in several states in which I have lived, and I would be very surprised if that is NOT the case in every one of the United States (all 57 of them), D.C., and the various territories.

In fact, I suspect that's the case in Canada, too, and that lawyer simply didn't know what he was talking about.

 

[ovrszd]

They had respect, they lost it.
Getting it back will be hard especially with cellphone cams & body cams, etc.

I think Soundguy's explanation above clearly explains how that happened.

It's up to us as a society to correct this.

 

[Sigarms]

It's up to us as a society to correct this.

How?

I've always held to the notion that to earn respect, you first must give respect.

 

[ovrszd]

How?

I've always held to the notion that to earn respect, you first must give respect.

Yeah, I can tell from your previous posts that you always give respect to LEOs and that you teach your kids to do so also.

As to how, have you expressed to your LEO friends your feelings about bad LEOs and that you hold them responsible for that? Have you expressed to them that it's okay for you to have bad habits and bad character but it's not okay for them? Have you told them that you hold them to a higher standard than you do yourself? How did that go? Maybe suggest to one of them that you'd like for them to join in this conversation and help them sign up here on TBN and then guide them to this thread?

 

[Sigarms]

Yeah, I can tell from your previous posts that you always give respect to LEOs and that you teach your kids to do so also.

As to how, have you expressed to your LEO friends your feelings about bad LEOs and that you hold them responsible for that? Have you expressed to them that it's okay for you to have bad habits and bad character but it's not okay for them? Have you told them that you hold them to a higher standard than you do yourself? How did that go? Maybe suggest to one of them that you'd like for them to join in this conversation and help them sign up here on TBN and then guide them to this thread?

I teach my boys to use common sense.

ANY police officer that has you pulled over on the side of the road has authority over you be it you like it or not.

Ultimately, it makes NO sense to be disrespectful to ANY officer who is in your presence acting in an offical capacity.

As I stated, which went over your head, to get respect, you need to give respect.

Guys I shoot with who are LEO's know exactly how I feel. You got good cops, you got bad cops. You have good civies and you have bad civies. It all starts with respect going both ways. The guys I shoot with (who are LEO's) I like NOT because they're cops, I like them because they seem like good people and we have something in common.

Thus, my boys are REALLY taught to give respect. That said, you still need to know your rights when the police are dealing with you in any official capacity. That is NOT showing a lack or respect, that's just using common sense.

 

[ovrszd]

I teach my boys to use common sense.

ANY police officer that has you pulled over on the side of the road has authority over you be it you like it or not.

Ultimately, it makes NO sense to be disrespectful to ANY officer who is in your presence acting in an offical capacity.

As I stated, which went over your head, to get respect, you need to give respect.

Guys I shoot with who are LEO's know exactly how I feel. You got good cops, you got bad cops. You have good civies and you have bad civies. It all starts with respect going both ways. The guys I shoot with (who are LEO's) I like NOT because they're cops, I like them because they seem like good people and we have something in common.

Thus, my boys are REALLY taught to give respect. That said, you still need to know your rights when the police are dealing with you in any official capacity. That is NOT showing a lack or respect, that's just using common sense.

Yeah, you went totally over my head......

So, let's include one of the LEOs you shoot with in this thread.

 

[Sigarms]

Yeah, you went totally over my head......

So, let's include one of the LEOs you shoot with in this thread.

I figured it must of.

I'll mention the thread to some, but what they do with it, personally I don't care. I'm certain LEO's want to go hop on a internet forum that they really don't care about when people are talking about their profession on that forum

 

[ovrszd]

I figured it must of.

I'll mention the thread to some, but what they do with it, personally I don't care. I'm certain LEO's want to go hop on a internet forum that they really don't care about when people are talking about their profession on that forum

Yeah, I figured that went over your head.

You've mentioned many times the LEOs who are your friends. I just thought maybe one/some of them might like to view this thread.

Guess that's probably not going to happen.

 

[Sigarms]

Yeah, I figured that went over your head.

You've mentioned many times the LEOs who are your friends. I just thought maybe one/some of them might like to view this thread.

Guess that's probably not going to happen.

Guys I shoot with know exactly how I feel. Heck, I've been told I shouldn't talk if I don't have to. The key is respect. It runs both ways. You get pulled over, you don't help your case one bit by being a ********.

My only point about friends being in law enforcement is I'm not that blind that I believe every person who wears a police uniform is a bad person. I'm not that naive. Heck, I've been told I should of dropped a name to get out of a seat belt violation:laughing: I won't do it.

That said, you can go down to our local gas station and you will also see the local cops actually standing on the corner talking with people. Not all cops do that now a days.

 

[TemporaryKubotaOwnerMark]

Have you told them that you hold them to a higher standard than you do yourself? How did that go?

Any cop who has a problem with that should not be a cop.

Yeah, I figured that went over your head.

You've mentioned many times the LEOs who are your friends. I just thought maybe one/some of them might like to view this thread.

Guess that's probably not going to happen.

Why should it?

You are trying to imply he's lying about having LEO friends, and that if he really does, he should be able to get one to jump on this thread to verify what he's saying. And of course, when it doesn't happen, you'll preen in your certainty that he doesn't really have any LEO friends.

I don't know whether that's more childish or stupid, but it's a whole lot of both.

 

[TemporaryKubotaOwnerMark]

I figured it must of.

It's "must have".

 

[ovrszd]

Any cop who has a problem with that should not be a cop.






Why should it?

You are trying to imply he's lying about having LEO friends, and that if he really does, he should be able to get one to jump on this thread to verify what he's saying. And of course, when it doesn't happen, you'll preen in your certainty that he doesn't really have any LEO friends.

I don't know whether that's more childish or stupid, but it's a whole lot of both.

Certainly went over your head. I totally believe he has LEO friends. That's why I suggested he invite one to this thread.

He's not going to do that and most here understand why.

Sorry you can't get that.

 

[LD48750]

I think Soundguy's explanation above clearly explains how that happened.

It's up to us as a society to correct this.

Yup.... That's the attitude I expected.

It's "societies" fault & problem.
Police officers are not & never have been at fault for anything.

No use talking to you, nothing will convince you of anything other then the heroic value of anyone that wears or ever wore a uniform.

 

[dragoneggs]

Everyone should aspire to hold themselves to a higher standard than the norm. Think about what that would lead to... ? Whether your are a LEO, common person, or a criminal. Food for thought.

 

[Sigarms]

Everyone should aspire to hold themselves to a higher standard than the norm. Think about what that would lead to... ? Whether your are a LEO, common person, or a criminal. Food for thought.

And that is EXACTLY why one should understand and know their rights when dealing with ANY LEO.

 

[Sigarms]

Certainly went over your head. I totally believe he has LEO friends. That's why I suggested he invite one to this thread.

He's not going to do that and most here understand why.

Sorry you can't get that.

Sorry, I don't understand what LEO I know have come on this forum here will accomplish. What we're discussing here hasn't already been discussed in numerous other forum / social media outlets. The fact is if I like the guy (or woman), I wouldn't want them to waste their here on this discussion.

Other than some speeding tickets and seat belt violations, I'm a respectful, law abiding citizen. Yes, I know, doing 57 in a 55 (last ticket, coming down on 421 from Boone to Wilkesboro, and anyone who makes that drive will tell you the state cops will nail you for even doing 56 in the 55) makes me a menace to others, but at least I use my turn signal and don't do 55 in the left lane LOL. It's like if you think you actually have the freedom to exercise and know your rights, you're being disrespectful to those in LEO community, which I don't understand because some of the guys I know tell me the same thing... know your rights.

If I hadn't told the story, one night a state cop pulled me over because he thought I was drinking (apparently my tires hit the yellow line as that's what he informed me). It was late at night and I was on my way to a hotel because I had to get up early the next day to be at a jobsite and I didn't feel like driving 3 to 4 hours from the house the next morning and then start work. The cop was walking around my car shining his light looking around inside my car. I asked him what he was looking for. He said nothing. I then asked him that if he was going to write me up for anything, to please do it so I could get to my hotel as I had a job to get to in the morning. He let me go. For myself, I wasn't being disrespectful, but to the point. He was on a fishing expedition and I wasn't going to have any of it.

 

[Sigarms]

It's "must have".

Gulty as charged. Write me up

 

[kidr]

It's "must have".

Or must've ?

 

[Bird]

Certainly went over your head. I totally believe he has LEO friends. That's why I suggested he invite one to this thread.

He's not going to do that and most here understand why.

Sorry you can't get that.

Yes, we understand why. There are quite a number of officers and/or retired officers who are members on TBN, but most of us are smart enough to know that there is nothing to be gained by arguing with someone like you who has his mind made up and will never change it. Most people are also smart enough to know that, since police officers are humans, there are both good and bad, and even good ones can make mistakes at times just like the rest of the humans.