Update on RX6010 with low hours motor failure

[finn1]

Keeper shearing results in valve drops and subsequent collateral damage, like broken crankcase cylinder walls and pistons and rods exiting the crankcase. The block heater would be part of the collateral damage.

If the op has no knowledge re how an engine functions and operates, he痴 going to have a pretty tough time arguing that the failure was a manufacturing defect.

Pictures, in detail, of the failed parts would help his case, but if all he has is a photo of the collateral damage, he isn稚 supporting his case very well.

Forensic engineering is a science all by itself, and requires a detailed understanding on how things work.

 

[the old grind]

A part failure I might expect considering hours on the machine is a valve spring. 'Surge' (harmonic-caused fracture at a node/weak point) can cause a spring to fail, then drop its retainer and let its keepers (sleeves?) loose.

A cylinder liner can be called a 'sleeve', and we may have been thrown off by OPs misunderstanding a mech mention valve-train 'sleeve' as a cause vs another thing that suffered catastrophically. (piston shoves loose valve up to wreck rocker or other valve-train bits ... 'interference engine')

I'm not so sure the heater 'blew out' or whether the block may be busted at least as bad as a head. For us to have the coolant drip video to work with isn't much. Dramatic, maybe, but you can't tell what kind of car a raccoon was run over by just from finding it by the roadside.

Can we be sure, third hand, what broke first and what it then 'took out'? Hmmm ... The less pertinent info we have to go on, the more and wilder guesses we get, right?

 

[LS Tractor Owner]

I have seen several post referring to the minimal number of post by some.
While I agree with the thought process and the general correctness of this idea, let me play the devils advocate.

I have been here a while and I do not have all that many posts. That is because generally there are many well educated and highly experienced people here whom have have given an answer equal to or better to what mine would be, or I do not feel my answer would help.

There are a lot of people here that have less knowledge or experience than others.
If that is the case, then when they voice a complaint, they should not be vilified for not having "enough" posts.
They might be wanting to get involved and make a post, but just do not have words that they feel would be worthy of posting.

Again I am just playing the devils advocate. This is not meant to be in response to any one specific, just saying.

<><> AGREE FULLY ! Also some that are here for only a couple of months and have 1500 posts...most of those posts with nothing to say contributing to the discussion!

 

[VTDT]

9 pages impressive.

When I can get a better accounting of what when wrong I’ll be sure to share it here.

Like I work for another company, yeah and the earth is flat. I’m just a 61 year old married guy with a tractor that died and I’m putting new motor in it with the help of my local bank. And I actually have better things to do with my time than discuss my tractor problem on this forum very much.

I’d actually post a link to my business here but given the wacko theories here I don’t need some Internet freak showing up on my doorstep because they think I’m lying about their favorites tractor brand.


Thanks for your support and trust. Typical of many today, don’t believe anything if it conflicts with what you want to believe.


Merry Christmas.

 

[ruffdog]

VTDT....I hope the engine swap goes good for you....Merry Christmas to you, too!

 

[coobie]

9 pages impressive.

When I can get a better accounting of what when wrong I値l be sure to share it here.

Like I work for another company, yeah and the earth is flat. I知 just a 61 year old married guy with a tractor that died and I知 putting new motor in it with the help of my local bank. And I actually have better things to do with my time than discuss my tractor problem on this forum very much.

I壇 actually post a link to my business here but given the wacko theories here I don稚 need some Internet freak showing up on my doorstep because they think I知 lying about their favorites tractor brand.


Thanks for your support and trust. Typical of many today, don稚 believe anything if it conflicts with what you want to believe.


Merry Christmas.

If you had better things to do WHY discuss it here in the first place?Good luck..

 

[woolyAcres]

@VTDT- I too hope the swap goes well and you're able to get this machine back to work. If you are able to post any updates about what caused the failure if/when you get them, that would be great, though I'd understand if you dropped this forum and never came back. In my opinion you've been treated rudely by some. Which isn't just inappropriate, it's a loss for you and the community. It means the larger community will miss out on learning something- what caused the failure in your machine. It may turn out to be a badly designed engine, operator error, bad luck, or something else all together. As a tractor owner/operator I'd like to know so I might be able to avoid it myself. When new forum members are ridden off early, nobody wins.

Merry Christmas and best of luck.

 

[The Fred]

Have you considered selling the machine as is? I'd love a tractor project.

Regards, Fred

 

[Trillium Farm]

9 pages impressive.
When I can get a better accounting of what when wrong I値l be sure to share it here.
Like I work for another company, yeah and the earth is flat. I知 just a 61 year old married guy with a tractor that died and I知 putting new motor in it with the help of my local bank. And I actually have better things to do with my time than discuss my tractor problem on this forum very much.
I壇 actually post a link to my business here but given the wacko theories here I don稚 need some Internet freak showing up on my doorstep because they think I知 lying about their favorites tractor brand.
Thanks for your support and trust. Typical of many today, don稚 believe anything if it conflicts with what you want to believe.Merry Christmas.

VTDT, I'm sorry to hear about the problem, but the response you got was your own doing! You came here with conjectures: no pictures, no facts, no description only your opinion of what the company should have done on warranty expired a year earlier. What did you really expect? People taking your side blindingly? Without knowing you level of knowledge about tractors/mechanics and other things how do we know that it wasn't you who caused the damage? As a lawyer as you claimed to be, you ought to know that clarity of facts is paramount, what we got instead is the night & fog treatment or the mushroom diet. Don't blame others for your shortfalls, that too is typical of ignorant people.

 

[oosik]

Two years ago and well out of warrantee - Kubota fixed a problem on my tractor. Three house calls and finally a tech who saw the exact problem. Less than $4 in parts & ten minutes late - a permanent fix. I offered to pay but they chalked it up to good customer relations.

Had it been a blown motor - I would not even ask on my nine year old Kubota.

 

[the old grind]

VTDT, I hope the repair goes well for you in spite of your reception here so far. We mean well but do hear from some nasties, and some of us get frustrated when posters who have limited tractor experience don't frame a question as to give us the best perspective.

I'm sure you have something to offer us as we might to you. If recent comments haven't caused you to leave us for good, I hope the rest of us will consider that you've 'paid your dues', can say what you want from now on. We're a pretty decent bunch of individuals. Stick around and make us better as a group. t o g

 

[woolyAcres]

As a lawyer as you claimed to be

I don't think VTDT ever claimed to be an attorney. Are you conflating two different threads?
https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums...review-procedure-post5290272.html#post5290272


There have been a number of members who have tried to help by offering explanations, theories, and advice even on not much detail. For those members I'm grateful. But I'm surprised, disappointed, and embarrassed in the number of folks here who seem to be more interested in saying 'I told you so' or 'you're doing it wrong'. It's small, not productive, and doesn't help anyone. No wonder the original poster stopped providing details.

 

[murph1]

I don't think VTDT ever claimed to be an attorney. Are you conflating two different threads?
https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums...review-procedure-post5290272.html#post5290272


There have been a number of members who have tried to help by offering explanations, theories, and advice even on not much detail. For those members I'm grateful. But I'm surprised, disappointed, and embarrassed in the number of folks here who seem to be more interested in saying 'I told you so' or 'you're doing it wrong'. It's small, not productive, and doesn't help anyone. No wonder the original poster stopped providing details.

I think you have it backwards. Him not giving any details led to the confusion and doubt.

 

[Trillium Farm]

I don't think VTDT ever claimed to be an attorney. Are you conflating two different threads?
https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums...review-procedure-post5290272.html#post5290272

Gee now you put a flea into my ear! I didn't go back to check, but I thought he said he was a retired lawyer.
Woolly I went and checked and I was wrong, it wasn't him who was a retired attorney, still what I've said stands, he gave us no information whatsoever.

 

[ruffdog]

Come on fellow members, can we stop kicking the guy when he is down? He is new here and maybe new to tractor threads too. We don't know his situation and we should loosen our expectations a bit until we hear more. If we don't....so what? Move on.....

 

[woolyAcres]

I think you have it backwards. Him not giving any details led to the confusion and doubt.

If you were interested in more details, why didn't you ask for them? Instead, you offered this:

Lets see, a new poster bashing a brand in his 4th post..... That's a new one.......Not!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The guy's got a $$$ repair and he's frustrated, of course he's not happy right now. But that doesn't mean he has nothing to offer and that this community couldn't learn something from him. At this point you've labeled him a brand basher and dismissed him. Why would he turn around and offer details?

 

[murph1]

If you were interested in more details, why didn't you ask for them? Instead, you offered this:


The guy's got a $$$ repair and he's frustrated, of course he's not happy right now. But that doesn't mean he has nothing to offer and that this community couldn't learn something from him. At this point you've labeled him a brand basher and dismissed him. Why would he turn around and offer details?

All We had at the beginning was a short vid of a leak and a broken heater. I never said nutting about not learning. I learn a bit from everybody.

 

[woolyAcres]

Come on fellow members, can we stop kicking the guy when he is down? He is new here and maybe new to tractor threads too. We don't know his situation and we should loosen our expectations a bit until we hear more. If we don't....so what? Move on.....

@ruffdog- I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who feels this poster didn't get to see the best TBN has to offer.

I wish I had something more productive to add to this thread. Unfortunately, engine design/failure reconstruction isn't something I can help with. So I've played the only role I can here, trying to smooth things over with a new member.

 

[the old grind]

@ruffdog- I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who feels this poster didn't get to see the best TBN has to offer.

I second that sentiment, gents. :thumbsup: We showed little patience to see what else the OP has to offer, .. beyond his initial report of the disaster and tolerating our reaction .. 'or not'. We're better than this.

 

[coobie]

I think you have it backwards. Him not giving any details led to the confusion and doubt.

THIS ^^^^^