Error code 008 NX4510

[coobie]

I do not know what they are going to do. The dealer is extremely busy and who knows when they will fix mine. I did have a good laugh when I was told that one injector was firing 50% more fuel but that they didn't think that this was a problem to cause my DPF failures. My luck they will pull the injector apart and try to fix it. It should be replaced. There was mention that my Baldwin filter might not be good enough to filter the fuel properly. I spoke with Baldwin today. That filter that I am using has a better rating than the Kioti filter.

Hope they find a good fix.Sorry for the issues that you are going threw.

 

[JimR]

Wow, that’s a shame, sounds like they are trying to point fingers instead of working on a solution. If I remember right mine threw a code that reflected a injector issue and was smoking when first started in temps below about 70. One thing I was a bit aggravated about was the fact only the dealer can change the injectors because the ecm has to be reprogrammed with the identification number on the new injector.

Yup, so right, looking for an escape route. Tried blaming welding on the previous dealer on the mirror brackets. Kioti warranty shows two mirror brackets replaced at the selling dealership. I heard about the injectors needing to be programmed. I do recall some white puffing on startup in colder weather in the Spring. I thought it might be condensation as I didn't smell anything. I had forgotten all abut it until you mentioned it. That is probably the bad injector. Were all 3 of yours bad?

 

[JimR]

Hope they find a good fix.Sorry for the issues that you are going threw.

Thanks

 

[countrybumpkin]

Not all the injectors were showing issues but they replaced them. I had seen a few posts back a couple years ago that others having issues had gotten there’s replace while under warranty also, I’m guessing they knew they had issues with them, also at one point in the production line the injectors are different now.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Wow, that’s a shame, sounds like they are trying to point fingers instead of working on a solution. If I remember right mine threw a code that reflected a injector issue and was smoking when first started in temps below about 70. One thing I was a bit aggravated about was the fact only the dealer can change the injectors because the ecm has to be reprogrammed with the identification number on the new injector.

The lack of ECU access is a massive hassle factor. Anybody who would like to work on their own equipment or electronics should follow the link below, click on their state and write a note to your local state legislators to support the right to repair in your state. Stand Up For Your Right to Repair — The Repair Association

 

[Threepoint]

You needn't click on the videos, but my shameless promotion of my YouTube videos have sold piles of Kioti tractors and pays for my property taxes, cell phone and electrical bills. Here is a video where Everything Attqachments is currently buying the bumper ad. Thanks, EA!

Ignore the noise and the cheap shots, Eric. You've made more substantive contributions to this forum in five years than some members have in 15.

 

[JimR]

Not all the injectors were showing issues but they replaced them. I had seen a few posts back a couple years ago that others having issues had gotten there’s replace while under warranty also, I’m guessing they knew they had issues with them, also at one point in the production line the injectors are different now.

I was told that mine has an early model injection pump and early model injectors. I think that is the problem here also. Why else would they upgrade to a newer style if the older ones worked fine.

 

[JimR]

The lack of ECU access is a massive hassle factor. Anybody who would like to work on their own equipment or electronics should follow the link below, click on their state and write a note to your local state legislators to support the right to repair in your state. Stand Up For Your Right to Repair — The Repair Association

I have already done that. These OBDII systems should be able to be read by the owners and cleared by the owners when there is a code.

 

[justman777]

Ignore the noise and the cheap shots, Eric. You've made more substantive contributions to this forum in five years than some members have in 15.

I concur. I don't see the reason for the harsh posts....

 

[justman777]

I have already done that. These OBDII systems should be able to be read by the owners and cleared by the owners when there is a code.

Totally agree. I can see where the industry is headed, and I don't like it one bit. I imagine we'll wind up doing what the JD people are doing....hacking our tractors so we can repair them. That is, unless laws change or the industry changes.

 

[JimR]

Totally agree. I can see where the industry is headed, and I don't like it one bit. I imagine we'll wind up doing what the JD people are doing....hacking our tractors so we can repair them. That is, unless laws change or the industry changes.

That day will be upon us when all this stuff goes to pot.

 

[YLee Kioti]

So, Baldwin fuel filters for our Kioti???????

Maaaahn.......who has da part numba.....cause Victoria has a large hydraulic/filter shop since CAT built their facility.

I'd love to have some Baldwin fuel filters, Donaldson air and hyd. filters!

 

[JimR]

So, Baldwin fuel filters for our Kioti???????

Maaaahn.......who has da part numba.....cause Victoria has a large hydraulic/filter shop since CAT built their facility.

I'd love to have some Baldwin fuel filters, Donaldson air and hyd. filters!

BF5587-D You can't use your water in the filter switch unless you open up the drain hole to a metric thread. These filters have a micron rating of 9 microns. Kioti's is 10 microns.

 

[countrybumpkin]

You should be able to use Donaldson air filters, the housing is Donaldson. I looked up the housing number on donaldsons web site and it gave me the filter numbers for both inner and outer. Wix now has a hydraulic filter for the NX series too, I’m still on factory brand filters for everything but my engine oil and I just went to wix, just for availability, No local dealer now.

 

[countrybumpkin]

I was trying to post the link into the other thread, I guess I opened the wrong window when I tried posting the link. Thanks for pointing it out, I think it’s fixed now.

 

[JimR]

https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kioti-owning-operating/415222-error-code-008-nx4510.html

Read all about it here.

That is the link to this posting

 

[Threepoint]

BF5587-D You can't use your water in the filter switch unless you open up the drain hole to a metric thread. These filters have a micron rating of 9 microns. Kioti's is 10 microns.

Jim, did you re-thread the drain hole to metric on yours? How did that go? How did you clear the swarf? Do you see any risk of cross-threading later if the switch is removed and replaced by someone else?

Looks like the BF5587-D is only around $14. That is a significant savings from the Daedong, which is $63.00. I have two of the Daedong on the shelf in my shop, as the same filter is used on both the NX series and the CK10 SE series. (Perhaps other models, but I haven't checked). The replacement interval is 400 hrs, though, so not a frequent task or expense in my case.

Magnuson-Moss notwithstanding, I'd be hesitant to use the Baldwin fuel filter during the drive-train warranty period, especially given that it has to be drilled out/retapped to use the filter switch. Just creates another fact issue for the owner's burden of proof, in the event of a dispute. Probably a very small chance of that happening, but hey, that's when the warranty really counts. Reminds me of when I had lasik sight correction 20 years ago. Before the procedure, the ophthalmologist said: "Statistically there's only a 1% chance that something will go wrong. But for the patient it happens to, it's 100%"!

 

[JimR]

Jim, did you re-thread the drain hole to metric on yours? How did that go? How did you clear the swarf? Do you see any risk of cross-threading later if the switch is removed and replaced by someone else?

Looks like the BF5587-D is only around $14. That is a significant savings from the Daedong, which is $63.00. I have two of the Daedong on the shelf in my shop, as the same filter is used on both the NX series and the CK10 SE series. (Perhaps other models, but I haven't checked). The replacement interval is 400 hrs, though, so not a frequent task or expense in my case.

Magnuson-Moss notwithstanding, I'd be hesitant to use the Baldwin fuel filter during the drive-train warranty period, especially given that it has to be drilled out/retapped to use the filter switch. Just creates another fact issue for the owner's burden of proof, in the event of a dispute. Probably a very small chance of that happening, but hey, that's when the warranty really counts. Reminds me of when I had lasik sight correction 20 years ago. Before the procedure, the ophthalmologist said: "Statistically there's only a 1% chance that something will go wrong. But for the patient it happens too, it's 100%"!

Who says that you need to use the water switch to be covered under warranty. The Baldwin filter also filters to the same amount of % as the Kioti. So not only does it capture the same amount but it captures particles .000395 smaller than the original filter. Not a lot but everything counts when it comes to filtering. As for the filter retapping. that was simple. I just tapped it out right side down with an air hose stuck in the top on low pressure. Once tapped the hole, I filled the filter with diesel fuel and let it pour out into a container so I could look for chips. There were no chips in it.

There is no way possible to cross thread your switch if you make good threads, unless the owner can't screw a part into a hole.

As for my abilities. At 17 I was working on cars for a living at a Chrysler dealership. Two years later I was working at an International Harvester dealership on straight jobs and semi's. Four years later I was working for a Ford dealership in their truck dept. with another guy. I have rebuilt motors, transmission, rear ends, done stick welding, mig welding, Heil-arc on aluminum cabs changing out entire body panels, roofs, cab mounts that tore apart, wiring and any other thing that needed to be done. I spent 20 years as a machinist running both manual and CNC equipment. Doing programming when needed and any tool modifications needed. Was in charge of 10 machine centers with workers. Ran a month long study on my own for insert quality and life expectancy. I ended up turning in those results to management which had them change all their tooling and inserts to a different brand which cut costs down by almost 75% on inserts alone in my work area. Worked in special machining for 5 of those 20 years. Worked at a solar panel company rebuilding the furnaces that grow solar panel wafers until they went bankrupt. Spent the last 8 years building machinery that costs upwards of $100,000.00. I do installations all over the world and training of employees as part of my job. I also do service calls to inspect and diagnose problems with equipment and give advice as to the approach needed for repairs. I dare Kioti to tell me that I am not qualified to work on my tractor.

 

[YLee Kioti]

Thanks for the info on the Baldwin filter.
Since the machine is still under warranty I'll pass for now.

The local hydraulic shop carries Donaldson, so I'll pick up air filter there.
BUT, what is this bidness bout an inner and outer air filter. Both tractors only had the filter canister element and nothing else.

Did I miss something? Hmm...
Anyways thanks for all the info and hope your machine finally gets up and running.
FWIW, don't seem to matter bout tractor color.
I read the same type of issues/hassels on the Ford Super Duty boards.
If it's a machine someone somewhere will have a heartache......life at times really just sucks.....

All the best...

 

[JimR]

Thanks for the info on the Baldwin filter.
Since the machine is still under warranty I'll pass for now.

The local hydraulic shop carries Donaldson, so I'll pick up air filter there.
BUT, what is this bidness bout an inner and outer air filter. Both tractors only had the filter canister element and nothing else.

Did I miss something? Hmm...
Anyways thanks for all the info and hope your machine finally gets up and running.
FWIW, don't seem to matter bout tractor color.
I read the same type of issues/hassels on the Ford Super Duty boards.
If it's a machine someone somewhere will have a heartache......life at times really just sucks.....

All the best...

My tractor also came with a Donaldson in it. Only the standard filter, no outer one.