Buying Advice First time tractor buyer- JD 5055e vs 4044R-- which one best suited?

   / First time tractor buyer- JD 5055e vs 4044R-- which one best suited? #1  

cdoggatx

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JD 5055 E, hydraulic grapple, shredder
First time tractor buyer: Would greatly appreciate any thoughts/ guidance. Also new to this forum.

Context:
  • 190 Acres. More than 80% currently under brush in east central texas (Elgin). Flat, sandy loam soil. Property has not been managed in many years.
  • Will be managed during the weekends and a little during the week (While I don't live on the property, I live close, +-30 min from the farm)
  • Neighbor runs skid steers and dozers, and I am lucky to be able to use him to clear additional acreage at a reasonable price (+-$80/ hr, metered)
  • Largely will be mowing/ shredding, improving some roads, brush management, food plots + reseeding for wildlife management. We aren't officially "farming", but keeping a wildlife exemption
  • I am a tall guy- 6'5", so cab space is important:


Choosing between John Deere 4044R and 5055e (both with cabs)-
  • Cab- yes it's more $, but in texas, we have bees (and with farming on weekend, will need to be able to deal with whatever the weather throws at me).
  • 4044R has way more bells and whistles- but dealer is pushing me towards 5055e- and that's where I am leaning. Just want to make sure I'm not giving up too much functionality w the 4044 in order to gain more muscle in the 5055e.
    Implements: Loader, bucket, 6' shredder to start -- contemplated a grapple bucket, but that's a pricier option.


Thoughts?
Thank you!
 
   / First time tractor buyer- JD 5055e vs 4044R-- which one best suited? #2  
With the typically flat central Texas terrain, and mostly brush to cut, and mainly part time management, I would personally choose the 4044R Cab and then add a 60" tiller as an implement for your wildlife food plots. A 4044R should handle the 60" rotary cutter extremely well for brush cutting and pasture maintenance. Your not pulling the larger 84" or 96" cutters, which would definitely require the 5055e tractor.
 
   / First time tractor buyer- JD 5055e vs 4044R-- which one best suited?
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#3  
thank you
 
   / First time tractor buyer- JD 5055e vs 4044R-- which one best suited? #4  
Tough choice. I have a Kubota Grand L which is comparable to the JD 40xxR series. My brother has a JD 5075e. Pros to both and really no weaknesses to either. I prefer the smaller, lighter frame size and the bells and whistles as I am getting older. He needs the extra PTO HP for spinning implements. I suggest test driving both and see which feels right to you. Enjoy the shopping.
 
   / First time tractor buyer- JD 5055e vs 4044R-- which one best suited? #5  
Well not sure why you are matching a 5055E vs a 4044R? From a HP perspective why not a 4066R? I have a 4720 and it is a great tractor. It is a hydro which you can't get in a 5055 so are you looking at a Power reverser? Soundslike the dealer wants to un load the 5055.

Agree with Jethro- drive them both-one feature I don't like about the 4000 series is the only glass that you can open is the rear panel. So on a hot sunny day, you end up running AC when in a 5055, you have couple of side windows that I believe open.

I'll also say that I'm a "flag waver" so I like the idea that some guys in Georgia got a paycheck putting it together vs supporting some guys in India(?) but it is the way of the world. If it was made in the EU I would not feel that way but when I see something made in India or China I don't feel as good spending my money.
 
   / First time tractor buyer- JD 5055e vs 4044R-- which one best suited? #6  
190 acres is a lot of land to manage with a 4xxx series. Doable, but laboring for that size.

Move the Grapple to the front of the attachment list. Box Blade second.

Scratch the 6' shedder from the "new" list. Go find a used one for 1/4 new cost and you won't mind banging it up in the brush.

Regardless of tractor choice get 3rd function on the FEL. Also minimum of two rear remotes, three preferable.

Filled rear tires or a very expensive stack of rear wheel weights.
 
   / First time tractor buyer- JD 5055e vs 4044R-- which one best suited?
  • Thread Starter
#7  
Well not sure why you are matching a 5055E vs a 4044R? From a HP perspective why not a 4066R? I have a 4720 and it is a great tractor. It is a hydro which you can't get in a 5055 so are you looking at a Power reverser? Soundslike the dealer wants to un load the 5055.

Agree with Jethro- drive them both-one feature I don't like about the 4000 series is the only glass that you can open is the rear panel. So on a hot sunny day, you end up running AC when in a 5055, you have couple of side windows that I believe open.

I'll also say that I'm a "flag waver" so I like the idea that some guys in Georgia got a paycheck putting it together vs supporting some guys in India(?) but it is the way of the world. If it was made in the EU I would not feel that way but when I see something made in India or China I don't feel as good spending my money.

Thanks Red Horse. Waive that flag-- I agree. I am looking at the power reverser indeed.
 
   / First time tractor buyer- JD 5055e vs 4044R-- which one best suited?
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#8  
Thanks ovrszd. Yes, thinking that grapple is important given the nature of the work that I will be doing.

Appreciate the insight.
 
   / First time tractor buyer- JD 5055e vs 4044R-- which one best suited? #9  
I think I’d go for the R model every time. I also can’t help but wonder if they are wanting to get rid of the E. The bigger 5 series is more tractor from the stand point of specs but not that much more. Tractor data lists the specs of both, compare them. I would look at both and compare the features. I am used to the smaller stuff so I don’t know the difference between the R and the E models in cabs. Both are pretty good sized machines and will do what you want.
 
   / First time tractor buyer- JD 5055e vs 4044R-- which one best suited? #10  
I think the E series tractors from 5075 and below are made over seas. I'm not 100% sure of that but I think it's true. I know the 5090E and up are made in Thompson. I looked at the 5075 and was just not impressed with it. I didn't need 90 to 100 HP tractor but that's what I got because of the finish. I bought the 5090E. I'm very happy with it assuming I don't hate the catalyst system on it.
 
   / First time tractor buyer- JD 5055e vs 4044R-- which one best suited? #11  
First time tractor buyer: Would greatly appreciate any thoughts/ guidance. Also new to this forum.

Like other's have said....drive them both. I would add that you spend at least an hour on each one checking everything out. Does the dealer have similar units that are used so you can really work them so you get a better idea of your needs/wants?
 
   / First time tractor buyer- JD 5055e vs 4044R-- which one best suited? #12  
Thanks ovrszd. Yes, thinking that grapple is important given the nature of the work that I will be doing.

Appreciate the insight.

Sorry, how impolite of me.

Welcome to TBN!!!!
 
   / First time tractor buyer- JD 5055e vs 4044R-- which one best suited? #13  
Go big. Isn’t that suppose to be a Texas thing anyways?
It’s very common for people to buy tractor and then upsize later when they realize they need something a little bigger.
In many cases, the more muscle or FEL lift capacity tractor has, the more functionality it will have. Unless you’re in tight spaces.
As far as comforts and differences, what transmission on 5055 are you looking at versus the 4044R?
 
   / First time tractor buyer- JD 5055e vs 4044R-- which one best suited? #14  
Additional comment on the grapple. Agree-once you have a grapple it seems it spends more time on machine than the bucket. I have a 48" Wildkat and it IMO is a great value. And some would say its too small but that 48" can grab a good log ort stump just as well as a 72" grapple. And the way look at it, I would rather be carrying weight in the "load" vs all the dead weight in a wider grapple. And when it comes to clearing brush I'll build pile thats around 6' in diameter and in a few "bites" I have it balled up into one compacted pile
 

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   / First time tractor buyer- JD 5055e vs 4044R-- which one best suited? #15  
cdoggatx,

Rotary cutter and grapple are recommended as the first two implements to pursue for land clearing. Grapple requires third-function valve on the loader; be sure to add that with the tractor at time of purchase. The Armstrong Ag 5' BGR Mini Grapple sounds small, but it works wonders for just under a thousand dollars. As Red Horse mentions, you don't need an overly wide grapple to get big jobs done fast. The largest grapple models are best reserved for tractors that have exceptionally powerful loaders and tasks that require lifting more than a ton at a time (e.g. logging and construction debris). You can pick-up the Armstrong Ag BGR locally at Epperson Tractor near Waco, which isn't too far a drive from Elgin; or another tractor dealer in the area may have the same painted green.

Before making a final decision, consider reviewing other models (and possibly look at another brand or two, and an alternate JD dealership). I found gathering more first-hand information by sitting in several different brand cabs and walking around competitor models really helped confirm my final decision. Talking with people at different dealers was also helpful, knowing there were alternatives available. Some of the dealerships I visited, just walked up and jumped in a few cabs, walked around to inspect the tractors, and that was enough to see. Didn't need to talk with a salesman where I found obvious limitations. Be sure to check the underside and lower front sides of the tractor... are the hoses and hydraulic connection points protected from brush?

Definitely spend time test driving the final models being compared and see which cab you prefer. Comfortable seat time should be one of the highest priorities, given you're likely to spend many hours working in the tractor to the tame the land. Jump in and out of the cab multiple times to see how easy it is to move from the seat thru the door without catching on anything. Being tall, you'll want to make sure knees have plenty of room to avoid hitting things when driving over rough ground. If possible, test drive over hard bumps or ruts to check how well the seat handles your weight.

For many jobs around the property, both models (4044R vs 5055E) are likely to perform nearly equivalent, but if one cab is more comfortable than the other, you're better off in the cab that you enjoy.

The HST transmission option on the 4-series is great for loader work and doing any kind of job close-in around obstacles. Cruise-control on an HST avoids having to push the pedal for hours while working large fields. The 4-series is available in larger HP models with HST (e.g. 4052M and 4066M).

Check PTO HP ratings and compare to rotary cutter and tiller requirements. If you're looking at 6' attachments, anything >30 HP is likely to prove sufficient for cutting 2" material and below, but you'll likely be at the top-end for the 4044R. The 5055E will do better than the 4044R on the first pass thru the property to drop the largest brush, but after the initial clearing exercise is complete, you should have grass and small brush to cut in the future, which the 4044R can handle the same as the 5055E. If you have future ideas of using larger implements, such as pulling a flexwing or a 7' tiller, the larger tractor wins.

How heavy is the brush you're looking to tackle on the property? Consider your neighbor's dozer and/or paying a crew to clear the worst of it (e.g. root plowing), especially if there is a lot of mesquite.

You can have ballast _and_ sealant in your tires, to increase tractor weight while also resisting central Texas thorns. Multiseal is made in Texas, and easy to fill tires yourself or have the dealer do it at time of purchase.

As others have suggested, the 4044R may be a bit small to tackle an overgrown 190 acres, especially if you plan on frequent field work (e.g. discing, mowing, and earth moving). But for smaller tasks, a few acres at a time, the 4044R will do great. The 5055E is only about +10 HP in comparison, but the loader and overall weight are likely of greater benefit than HP. I recommend buying as big a tractor as you afford, but keep in mind your long term goals. Given the pursuit of wildlife management programs and not full-on farming, a smaller tractor will do fine after you've cleared the areas that need clearing. If I were in your position and favored JD as the brand, I'd be looking at the higher HP models in the 4-series to compare against the 5-series.

Wildlife programs suggest _less_ large-scale field work (e.g. discing and tilling), instead focusing on a variety of tasks, where the HST cab models in the 4-series may offer a better option against the cost of an equivalent HP 5-series cab. But, if the 5-series cab is more spacious, I'd really think hard about the choice.

If the majority of your tasks are going to involve discing, tilling, and mowing large fields, definitely go 5-series.
 
   / First time tractor buyer- JD 5055e vs 4044R-- which one best suited?
  • Thread Starter
#16  
Go big. Isn’t that suppose to be a Texas thing anyways?
It’s very common for people to buy tractor and then upsize later when they realize they need something a little bigger.
In many cases, the more muscle or FEL lift capacity tractor has, the more functionality it will have. Unless you’re in tight spaces.
As far as comforts and differences, what transmission on 5055 are you looking at versus the 4044R?

Thank you. It has the power reverser trans
 
   / First time tractor buyer- JD 5055e vs 4044R-- which one best suited?
  • Thread Starter
#17  
cdoggatx,

Rotary cutter and grapple are recommended as the first two implements to pursue for land clearing. Grapple requires third-function valve on the loader; be sure to add that with the tractor at time of purchase. The Armstrong Ag 5' BGR Mini Grapple sounds small, but it works wonders for just under a thousand dollars. As Red Horse mentions, you don't need an overly wide grapple to get big jobs done fast. The largest grapple models are best reserved for tractors that have exceptionally powerful loaders and tasks that require lifting more than a ton at a time (e.g. logging and construction debris). You can pick-up the Armstrong Ag BGR locally at Epperson Tractor near Waco, which isn't too far a drive from Elgin; or another tractor dealer in the area may have the same painted green.

Before making a final decision, consider reviewing other models (and possibly look at another brand or two, and an alternate JD dealership). I found gathering more first-hand information by sitting in several different brand cabs and walking around competitor models really helped confirm my final decision. Talking with people at different dealers was also helpful, knowing there were alternatives available. Some of the dealerships I visited, just walked up and jumped in a few cabs, walked around to inspect the tractors, and that was enough to see. Didn't need to talk with a salesman where I found obvious limitations. Be sure to check the underside and lower front sides of the tractor... are the hoses and hydraulic connection points protected from brush?

Definitely spend time test driving the final models being compared and see which cab you prefer. Comfortable seat time should be one of the highest priorities, given you're likely to spend many hours working in the tractor to the tame the land. Jump in and out of the cab multiple times to see how easy it is to move from the seat thru the door without catching on anything. Being tall, you'll want to make sure knees have plenty of room to avoid hitting things when driving over rough ground. If possible, test drive over hard bumps or ruts to check how well the seat handles your weight.

For many jobs around the property, both models (4044R vs 5055E) are likely to perform nearly equivalent, but if one cab is more comfortable than the other, you're better off in the cab that you enjoy.

The HST transmission option on the 4-series is great for loader work and doing any kind of job close-in around obstacles. Cruise-control on an HST avoids having to push the pedal for hours while working large fields. The 4-series is available in larger HP models with HST (e.g. 4052M and 4066M).

Check PTO HP ratings and compare to rotary cutter and tiller requirements. If you're looking at 6' attachments, anything >30 HP is likely to prove sufficient for cutting 2" material and below, but you'll likely be at the top-end for the 4044R. The 5055E will do better than the 4044R on the first pass thru the property to drop the largest brush, but after the initial clearing exercise is complete, you should have grass and small brush to cut in the future, which the 4044R can handle the same as the 5055E. If you have future ideas of using larger implements, such as pulling a flexwing or a 7' tiller, the larger tractor wins.

How heavy is the brush you're looking to tackle on the property? Consider your neighbor's dozer and/or paying a crew to clear the worst of it (e.g. root plowing), especially if there is a lot of mesquite.

You can have ballast _and_ sealant in your tires, to increase tractor weight while also resisting central Texas thorns. Multiseal is made in Texas, and easy to fill tires yourself or have the dealer do it at time of purchase.

As others have suggested, the 4044R may be a bit small to tackle an overgrown 190 acres, especially if you plan on frequent field work (e.g. discing, mowing, and earth moving). But for smaller tasks, a few acres at a time, the 4044R will do great. The 5055E is only about +10 HP in comparison, but the loader and overall weight are likely of greater benefit than HP. I recommend buying as big a tractor as you afford, but keep in mind your long term goals. Given the pursuit of wildlife management programs and not full-on farming, a smaller tractor will do fine after you've cleared the areas that need clearing. If I were in your position and favored JD as the brand, I'd be looking at the higher HP models in the 4-series to compare against the 5-series.

Wildlife programs suggest _less_ large-scale field work (e.g. discing and tilling), instead focusing on a variety of tasks, where the HST cab models in the 4-series may offer a better option against the cost of an equivalent HP 5-series cab. But, if the 5-series cab is more spacious, I'd really think hard about the choice.

If the majority of your tasks are going to involve discing, tilling, and mowing large fields, definitely go 5-series.

this is super helpful. Thank you for taking the time to help me out.
 
   / First time tractor buyer- JD 5055e vs 4044R-- which one best suited? #18  
Have you bought a tractor yet? If you haven't look at the 5075m.
 
   / First time tractor buyer- JD 5055e vs 4044R-- which one best suited? #19  
For 190 acres, gowith the 5000 series. The 4000 series is more appropriate for30 acres. I have had a 5300, great machine, and now 4720, great too; but not up to 190 acres.
 
   / First time tractor buyer- JD 5055e vs 4044R-- which one best suited? #20  
I manage 15 acres of food plots and cut 5 miles of roads on 1400 acres in middle GA with a 4052m. That tractor does everything I need it to.
 

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