Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Gale Hawkins]

https://www.cnet.com/news/why-the-us-should-learn-from-chinas-nuclear-power-expansion/

"Coal kills about 350 times as many people per terrawatt produced as nuclear."

 

[Fuddy1952]

This has to one of the strangest all-over-the-place posts I've ever seen! Personally I'm not against EVs it's just that I believe (I hope) in the future we'll have choices. I don't think (I hope) no one is in favor of mandatory EVs, elimination of ICE cars, trucks, tractors, etc. EVs would be ideal in big cities where most pollution is produced.
But I'm sorry, if the "poor "disadvantaged"" feel left out (just fill in curse words ).
For 43 years I ran service calls and got to see how people live. I got to see section 8 housing, the projects, apartments taxpayers were having to subsidize...torn to shreads because the people were (drum roll) shiftless, lazy, sorry, good for nothing leaches and I had to quit going to since I got sick of having to replace stolen tools.
Yes, people like Stepp have a Ford F150 Lightning on order because (drum roll) I guarantee he worked his backsides off to be able to get it.
So yes, I learned at an early age if I wanted something I had to work for it. Taxpayers shouldn't even have to pay for prisoners room and board...they should have to work while in prison!
I'll step down from my soap box now.

 

[Egon]

If a wire is hot (or a store of energy) it means it's connected to something somewhere energizing it. But remember, the grid is all connected and is load balancing. The main lines are always hot, to maintain that load balancing. Load balancing is what makes it all work. You might have power generated thousands of miles away filling gaps if a source is off line. That is why it's considered a store of energy.

Imagine if states did their own grid and generation. If the source(s) go down, there is no energy.

Thats a little different than stored energy. Lines only transmit!

 

[California]

Thats a little different than stored energy. Lines only transmit!

Oh man don't get him going again!

 

[Egon]

Oh man don't get him going again!

Ah; he’s entertainment value.

 

[PuffyC]

Partially agree, but what would solve the problem?
Cost of cell phones came down due to mass production techniques off shore. That’s a different situation than inner city people having charging stations.
I don’t see any way (physically) you can have a charging station for every car in the inner city under the current charging methods.

Therefore, under current charging techniques only rich people with driveways or garages can have a charging station.

You’re still trying to envision the future through the limitations that exist today. They already have chargers that can charge a battery full up in 15 minutes, what will it be in 10 years? A minute or two, like it does to fill up with gas? People don’t have individual gas stations in their homes and they get along fine driving somewhere to fuel up - this will be no different. I’d add that less than a third of the people in NYC even have a drivers license because they don’t need to drive or own a car. That number will continue to drop.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Model Y Crash Test #Tesla #shorts

Anti roll bar performance!

 

[ning]

https://www.cnet.com/news/why-the-us-should-learn-from-chinas-nuclear-power-expansion/

"Coal kills about 350 times as many people per terrawatt produced as nuclear."

Coal also kills about 350 times as many people per milliwatt produced as nuclear!

 

[Gale Hawkins]

This hybrid should sell.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Analysts warn of possible used car price drop coming in 2022

I can see this happening if new ones get back on the market because the spread will be so narrow people will walk away from used ones. The sad part is some people buying right now
will be upside down when this happens hard upside down.

 

[Hay Dude]

You’re still trying to envision the future through the limitations that exist today. They already have chargers that can charge a battery full up in 15 minutes, what will it be in 10 years? A minute or two, like it does to fill up with gas? People don’t have individual gas stations in their homes and they get along fine driving somewhere to fuel up - this will be no different. I’d add that less than a third of the people in NYC even have a drivers license because they don’t need to drive or own a car. That number will continue to drop.

Yeah but todays electric charging stations are still much slower than a gas fill up. If everyone in cities was charging up at current best speeds (I’ll use your 15 minutes for example) there would be cars in lines wrapped around the block waiting for a charge.
I don’t know what it will be in 10 years. Neither do you. I do know cars don’t fill any faster with gas than they did 10 years ago, so no technological advances were made getting ICEVs filled up faster. For all we know, it might be slower, because as range demand increases, so will the need for more electricity storage in the batteries. Now add large OTR trucks with much bigger batteries gumming up the works even more.
I like your enthusiasm and I’d really like a bigger electric truck for torque and lower maintenance, but I’m going to curb my enthusiasm a bit more than you and Gale.
I can’t envision cities where drivers driving electric cars will have adequate electric grid to support the thousands of charging stations needed with parking lots big enough to charge 50-100 cars at a time.

 

[Hay Dude]

This has to one of the strangest all-over-the-place posts I've ever seen! Personally I'm not against EVs it's just that I believe (I hope) in the future we'll have choices. I don't think (I hope) no one is in favor of mandatory EVs, elimination of ICE cars, trucks, tractors, etc. EVs would be ideal in big cities where most pollution is produced.
But I'm sorry, if the "poor "disadvantaged"" feel left out (just fill in curse words ).
For 43 years I ran service calls and got to see how people live. I got to see section 8 housing, the projects, apartments taxpayers were having to subsidize...torn to shreads because the people were (drum roll) shiftless, lazy, sorry, good for nothing leaches and I had to quit going to since I got sick of having to replace stolen tools.
Yes, people like Stepp have a Ford F150 Lightning on order because (drum roll) I guarantee he worked his backsides off to be able to get it.
So yes, I learned at an early age if I wanted something I had to work for it. Taxpayers shouldn't even have to pay for prisoners room and board...they should have to work while in prison!
I'll step down from my soap box now.

Guarantee? I’d think long and hard guaranteeing someone is who/what they say they are. I’ve ended up meeting a few people on these websites only to find they were nothing like they said they were.
There’s plenty of rich people all over the country who were given significant head starts in life on 2nd or 3rd base.
Sure, they may even work hard after being given lavish sums by their relatives, but millions of people get amazing head starts in life.
That makes an incredible difference in what material possessions they have, who they will marry, and their socio-economic status.
My advice would be take what you read with a healthy dose of skepticism

 

[Hay Dude]

So... why don't you live in the inner city hood? Too skeered??? Why be out in the Burbs with the other white, rich people?

“White”, rich people???
What’s that supposed to mean?
I know lots of rich, non-white people.
What exactly are you saying?

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Guarantee? I’d think long and hard guaranteeing someone is who/what they say they are. I’ve ended up meeting a few people on these websites only to find they were nothing like they said they were.
There’s plenty of rich people all over the country who were given significant head starts in life on 2nd or 3rd base.
Sure, they may even work hard after being given lavish sums by their relatives, but millions of people get amazing head starts in life.
That makes an incredible difference in what material possessions they have, who they will marry, and their socio-economic status.
My advice would be take what you read with a healthy dose of skepticism

You could move out of that townhouse and buy you a little farm so that you could charge your EV up overnight or even put in a little solar and charge it on sunshine.

 

[Hay Dude]

I don’t live in a townhouse, but if I did, I’d certainly want move out.

 

[groundcover]

Was mentioned earlier but we are looking at the transportation issue with a set of hundred year old eyes.
Picture a self driving Uber that you don't have to own, pay for, insure, maintain or charge. Ready to go, summon it from your phone, it arrives charged, clean , clear of snow. You don't need to find a place to park it or charge it or garage it. The next generation will look back at amount of treasure we dedicated to our personal transportation and remark those old coots were crazy !

 

[Gale Hawkins]

As we have known for years the USA electric grid can accommodate a 100% move to EVs faster than they can be built over the next 30 years

Norway data was the reason I knew in 2019 the EV revolution was no myth I bought the used Nissan Leaf with a shot main battery that Nissan would soon be replacing under warranty.

In 2050 we Baby Boomers will be like 90 to over 100 years old putting less and less demand on the grid.

I expect our 1966 Ford 3000 and 1976 265 MF to be in the family 30 years from now and still burning diesel.

 

[lman]

Will one of

Was mentioned earlier but we are looking at the transportation issue with a set of hundred year old eyes.
Picture a self driving Uber that you don't have to own, pay for, insure, maintain or charge. Ready to go, summon it from your phone, it arrives charged, clean , clear of snow. You don't need to find a place to park it or charge it or garage it. The next generation will look back at amount of treasure we dedicated to our personal transportation and remark those old coots were crazy !

Will one of those ubers haul my horses or cattle, how about a load of firewood. I think you're looking through some rose colored glasses. How big is your farm?

 

[Gale Hawkins]

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/ford-f-150-lightning-powerboost-hybrid-charge-evs/

For those living in fear of the EV revolution that's underway.

 

[groundcover]

Will one of

Will one of those ubers haul my horses or cattle, how about a load of firewood. I think you're looking through some rose colored glasses. How big is your farm?

More to do with the concerns of the apartment dwellers. Wouldn't work for me at this time but if I didn't need to plow snow or move equipment and only needed a ride to the Uber staging warehouse to my new job who knows !