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4570Man · Dec 30, 2021

bcp said:
That backhoe is about 20,000, +- 4000, I think.

Bruce

The spec weight on that is between like 14,500 and 24k. I’m not sure how they came up with such a wide spread unless they’re considering the FEL lift capacity in the max weight. I really doubt that machine is over 16k.

3 Horse Ranch · Dec 30, 2021

4570Man said:
The spec weight on that is between like 14,500 and 24k. I’m not sure how they came up with such a wide spread unless they’re considering the FEL lift capacity in the max weight. I really doubt that machine is over 16k.

Ritchie Brothers who provided the data site is an equipment auction house. I doubt they pulled the numbers out of their,,, hat. I am reasonably sure the low weight is with just enough fuel for it to run, no ballast in the tires etc. But even at 16k, it's loaded on what looks to be a 10k trailer that has a payload in the neighborhood of 7500#

nisaacs · Dec 30, 2021

Here is a copy of the weight specs from Cat. I would assume the low weight figure is 4x2, no cab or bucket, bare bones.

Operating Weight – Nominal 14,953 lbs
Operating Weight – Maximum 24,251 lbs
Cab, ROPS/FOPS 368 lbs
Air Conditioning 57 lbs
Four Wheel Drive 397 lbs
MP Bucket (0.96 m3/1.25 yd3) 1,642 lbs (no forks or teeth)
Extendible Stick 664 lb
Front Wheel Counterweights (Option 1) 255 lbs
Counterweights (Option 2) 530 lbs
Counterweights (Option 3) 1,015 lbs

4570Man · Dec 30, 2021

nisaacs said:
Here is a copy of the weight specs from Cat. I would assume the low weight figure is 4x2, no cab or bucket, bare bones.

Operating Weight – Nominal 14,953 lbs
Operating Weight – Maximum 24,251 lbs
Cab, ROPS/FOPS 368 lbs
Air Conditioning 57 lbs
Four Wheel Drive 397 lbs
MP Bucket (0.96 m3/1.25 yd3) 1,642 lbs (no forks or teeth)
Extendible Stick 664 lb
Front Wheel Counterweights (Option 1) 255 lbs
Counterweights (Option 2) 530 lbs
Counterweights (Option 3) 1,015 lbs

I don’t see how they’re getting to 24k even if it has every option. That’s what a Deere 710 weighs and a cat 416 isn’t the machine a 710 is. My Deere 410 has an extend a hoe, an optional 1100 pound counter weight, and 4x4 and it’s not over 20k. That 416 probably isn’t even equal to a Deere 410 and definitely not a 710.

4570Man · Dec 30, 2021

3 Horse Ranch said:
Ritchie Brothers who provided the data site is an equipment auction house. I doubt they pulled the numbers out of their,,, hat. I am reasonably sure the low weight is with just enough fuel for it to run, no ballast in the tires etc. But even at 16k, it's loaded on what looks to be a 10k trailer that has a payload in the neighborhood of 7500#

It’s no doubt way more than that trailer is rated for. But that’s not a 24,000 pound machine either.

lostcause · Dec 30, 2021

So frequently I am on the phone on my way home - in-car bluetooth. Most evenings it's 15 minutes up to the full hour of the drive. I'm looking straight ahead at the road and talking to the air the whole time. Many times I have been a passenger, or been directly behind drivers who have not been on the phone, but instead been conversing with another passenger, and they often turn their head toward the person they are talking to. Based on my experience, carpooling is far less safe than hands free cell use.

nisaacs · Dec 30, 2021

Maybe the largest/heaviest attachment for the hoe and the front at the same time might equal the 24k??

Jstpssng · Dec 30, 2021

Apparently the `110 year jail sentence was reduced.

MSN

JDZ735M · Dec 31, 2021

Jstpssng said:
Apparently the `110 year jail sentence was reduced.

MSN

Political move by the Colorado Governor? Good or Bad?

California · Dec 31, 2021

JDZ735M said:
Political move by the Colorado Governor? Good or Bad?

Good. The driver is an idiot but murder wasn't his intent when he started out that day.

(A lifetime ban on a driver's license might be appropriate too).

Jstpssng · Dec 31, 2021

California said:
(A lifetime ban on a driver's license might be appropriate too)

AMEN! Not that lack of license would keep him from doing it again...

paulfun9 · Dec 31, 2021

California said:
Good. The driver is an idiot but murder wasn't his intent when he started out that day.

(A lifetime ban on a driver's license might be appropriate too).

110 years is too much for him but ten is too little!

There are too many things not right about this to view it as accidental maybe if I take an machine gun and start shooting in random directions and hopping a bullet doesn’t hit anybody they can give me only ten years if 4 or 5 people die because I didn’t intend to kill anybody just wanted to shoot the gun? Paid no attention to safety protocols and decided to have my safety instruction given to me in ancient Hebrew while not using my reading glasses to read and understand the instructions in the owners manual or at the range stating which way I’m supposed to aim or place my targets or not to actively shoot while others are down range affixing thier targets?

How would you feel if one or two of the deceased was a close family member?

goeduck · Dec 31, 2021

California said:
Good. The driver is an idiot but murder wasn't his intent when he started out that day.

(A lifetime ban on a driver's license might be appropriate too).

Neither was that Kim Potter intent. We will see what happens there after Feb 18th. Back to hauling and towing....

4570Man · Dec 31, 2021

California said:
Good. The driver is an idiot but murder wasn't his intent when he started out that day.

(A lifetime ban on a driver's license might be appropriate too).

He was only 1 step behind it with as many avoidable mistakes as he made. Even after everything he did to cause brake failure he still could have hit one of the multiple runaway ramps.

oliver1555 · Dec 31, 2021

What about the company he worked for? They should never have sent him to the mountains without training. Mountain driving is a whole different thing than flatlander driving.

4570Man · Dec 31, 2021

goeduck said:
Neither was that Kim Potter intent. We will see what happens there after Feb 18th. Back to hauling and towing....

I think she’s facing 4-15 years and she doesn’t deserve that. It’s not like she randomly shot someone walking down the down the road. She was in a struggle with someone actively breaking the law that was wanted for previously breaking law and she accidentally fired the wrong weapon.

4570Man · Dec 31, 2021

oliver1555 said:
What about the company he worked for? They should never have sent him to the mountains without training. Mountain driving is a whole different thing than flatlander driving.

No they shouldn’t have but who decided to continue driving with faulty brakes and decided not to hit one of the multiple runaway ramps and after it was apparent a crash was inevitable decided a line of cars was the best spot to crash. That was all him.

oliver1555 · Dec 31, 2021

Lack of driver training. Company bears some fault.

4570Man · Dec 31, 2021

oliver1555 said:
Lack of driver training. Company bears some fault.

I suppose this guy could have taken a 3rd party second rate truck driving school but the DOT test covers every rule he violated. I can’t imagine he didn’t at least read the DOT handbook and have a crash course in truck driving. And every rule/law he broke is basic stuff. It’s not like you need a 6 week training course to understand you don’t continue driving with faulty equipment, you downshift going down a hill and the runaway truck ramp is for runaway trucks. I mean if this guy is literally that stupid he’d probably drown on a sinking ship while a lifeboat hangs on the side.

oliver1555 · Dec 31, 2021

I grew up in the Rocky Mountains and learned how to drive trucks in the mountains - log trucks and oilfield trucks since 1975. To make a good mountain driver, you need good education and good coaching. That guy did everything wrong, but the company obviously is lacking in their training. The DOT handbook is a good resource, but doesn’t take the place of competent training. All done on this one.