You CAN repair a leaky fuel injector pump! PICS and a question.

   / You CAN repair a leaky fuel injector pump! PICS and a question. #21  
KYKub

I had a small leak in my fuel injector pump and read that self-repair of these units is impossible, or at least strongly discouraged. Having a brother that is a good mechanic and can bail me out of most of the messes I create, I figured I would give it a shot. My repair was to a 3 cylinder Kubota (D722), but I think the same basic process would work on any Kubota diesel engine. This seems to be a fairly common problem so I hope it saves some time and money for others.

The leak was around the base where the injector lines connect to the pump. Slow leak, but over time builds up oily junk down the side of the engine. The problem is failing O-rings on the shaft of the injector. 2 O-rings on each shaft. Here's what I did:
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Thank you thread starter KYKub - your posting is appreciated!

I have exactly the same fuel leak in my Kubota F3060 mower (Kubota V1305 engine), and was able to find the O-rings on the eBay with the dimensions you gave by searching: Viton/FKM O-ring 11.8 x 2.4mm Price for 10 pcs


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From what you describe you have fuel leaking at the injection pump delivery valves. If one is leaking I would replace them all while your there.

I would use o-rings from the dealer. They typically cost about .90 each. The benefit is you know they are correct for your application.

You can go to this site and agree to the legal part and then look up your model machine and find every part on it. Kubota Tractor Corporation - Illustrated Parts List

You can also print off the parts associated with in area so you have a heads up on what is in there. Be sure to have the area cleaner then your (pre-used)dinner plate!
 
   / You CAN repair a leaky fuel injector pump! PICS and a question. #22  
KYKub

I had a small leak in my fuel injector pump and read that self-repair of these units is impossible, or at least strongly discouraged. Having a brother that is a good mechanic and can bail me out of most of the messes I create, I figured I would give it a shot. My repair was to a 3 cylinder Kubota (D722), but I think the same basic process would work on any Kubota diesel engine. This seems to be a fairly common problem so I hope it saves some time and money for others.

The leak was around the base where the injector lines connect to the pump. Slow leak, but over time builds up oily junk down the side of the engine. The problem is failing O-rings on the shaft of the injector. 2 O-rings on each shaft. Here's what I did:
....zip




Thank you thread starter KYKub - your posting is appreciated!

I have exactly the same fuel leak in my Kubota F3060 mower (Kubota V1305 engine), and was able to find the O-rings on the eBay with the dimensions you gave by searching: Viton/FKM O-ring 11.8 x 2.4mm Price for 10 pcs


:jump:

From what you describe you have fuel leaking at the injection pump delivery valves. If one is leaking I would replace them all while your there.

I would use o-rings from the dealer. They typically cost about .90 each. The benefit is you know they are correct for your application.

You can go to this site and agree to the legal part and then look up your model machine and find every part on it. Kubota Tractor Corporation - Illustrated Parts List

You can also print off the parts associated with in area so you have a heads up on what is in there. Be sure to have the area cleaner then your (pre-used)dinner plate!
 
   / You CAN repair a leaky fuel injector pump! PICS and a question. #23  
From what you describe you have fuel leaking at the injection pump delivery valves. If one is leaking I would replace them all while your there.

I would use o-rings from the dealer. They typically cost about .90 each. The benefit is you know they are correct for your application.

You can go to this site and agree to the legal part and then look up your model machine and find every part on it. Kubota Tractor Corporation - Illustrated Parts List

You can also print off the parts associated with in area so you have a heads up on what is in there. Be sure to have the area cleaner then your (pre-used)dinner plate!


Thank you - those spare part diagrams are also available on the Messick's website, but unfortunately Kubota is not offering the internal fuel injection pump parts individually.
They would sell a new pump for over $1100 though, or alternatively rebuilt pumps can be bought from eBay vendors for less then half of that.

I have a set of Viton O-rings and will report once they have been installed.
 
   / You CAN repair a leaky fuel injector pump! PICS and a question. #24  
Interesting you say Kubota is not offering the internal fuel injection pump parts individually. You can't get all the internal parts but they do have the o-rings. I just installed 4 a week ago. Got them at Coleman Implement, Bonner Springs, KS.

If you need a complete pump you can contact these folks. They have good prices, service and delivery. Oregon Fuel Injection | Diesel Parts | Rebuilt Diesel Injection Pumps
 
   / You CAN repair a leaky fuel injector pump! PICS and a question. #25  
Interesting you say Kubota is not offering the internal fuel injection pump parts individually. You can't get all the internal parts but they do have the o-rings. I just installed 4 a week ago. Got them at Coleman Implement, Bonner Springs, KS.

If you need a complete pump you can contact these folks. They have good prices, service and delivery. Oregon Fuel Injection | Diesel Parts | Rebuilt Diesel Injection Pumps



Thank you, that's good to know - it looks like a good Diesel shop!


Do you have any suggestions or tips on how best to mark the position of each delivery valve, in order to reinstall it in the exact same spot (IE to prevent rotating them) and maintain the amount of fuel delivery for each?
(I would hate to have to scribe permanent marks in the metal but...)

I know a Diesel shop could re-calibrate the pump delivery but I am trying to avoid going there this time.


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   / You CAN repair a leaky fuel injector pump! PICS and a question. #26  
Arto, here's the process I'd recommend. Begin by cleaning the lines from the injectors to the top of the injection pump with something like brake cleaner. Remove the vibration isolation clamps holding the injection lines in place. Loosen the nuts at the injectors. Loosen the nuts at the other end of the injector lines at the top of the injector pump. Be sure to use a wrench to hold the nut at the IP while turning the nut on the injection line.

If you're working on an engine with more then two cylinders (two lines) you have to start one of the outside delivery valves so you can get to the next one. Does not matter at which end you start! (That is why it's best to replace all the o-rings at the same time).

As you get the nuts loose at the IP, and you have the nuts loose at the injectors the lines can be picked up and removed. Lay them aside on something clean, like a piece of cardboard. Now loosen the nuts you had the wrench on when you loosened the injector line at the IP. I'd loosen them but leave them in place until you have them all lose.

Now, carefully and gently pick up the nut on the outside edge (doesn't matter which edge) and set this nut on the cardboard. If your uncomfortable with the process, you might take an ink pen and mark 1,2,3,4 on the cardboard and put the nut by the appropriate number....front to back. This will insure you get the same parts to the place you removed them.

Now under the nut is a spring similar to the spring in an ink pen, just stiffer. It may come up with the nut, so be careful to not drop it. There is also a small spacer that goes on top of the spring just under the nut that also fit into the top of the spring. It will stay in the spring if you gently remove the nut.

So when you remove the nut, have something underneath your work area, like cardboard, or an old sheet, so if you drop something you can find it easier. As soon as you get the nut unscrewed and pick it up off the threads, turn it over so you can see what in it.

Now you repeat the process for the other lines.

You remove the existing o-ring (usually easier with a pick of some kind), and install the new o-ring.

Put it all back together in the reverse process.

You local Kubota dealer should be able to give you a print out of all the part in the area you will be working. They have the o-rings, just ask at the parts counter. Might ask for "injection pump (component parts)" print out.
 
   / You CAN repair a leaky fuel injector pump! PICS and a question. #27  
D2Cat

Thank you - it sounds like the pump you worked on is little different model perhaps?

As I have read elsewhere, the one in Kubota V1305 engine has oval holes for the delivery valve hold-down flanges.
Their purpose is to allow fine adjustment of fuel delivery amount by rotating the valves.

Please see a photo of similar 3 cylinder engine pump by someone else below.


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   / You CAN repair a leaky fuel injector pump! PICS and a question. #28  
What does the pin do? I lost one. Will the engine still run if I put it together? Where can I order one?
 
   / You CAN repair a leaky fuel injector pump! PICS and a question. #29  
DB1> the pin locates the barrel & is VERY important.. IF you removed or loosened the top piece, {delivery valve holder}.. the barrel has probably turned..??
Once u get the others tightened/torqued down, just use "their pin" to locate the barrel & torque it down.. its not need to run.. only for assembly.
I've heard of people using a drill bit to locate the barrel after loosing ALL the pins..
Good luck.
How are u guys loosening/removing & tightening the hold down screws?? chisel??
 
   / You CAN repair a leaky fuel injector pump! PICS and a question. #30  
From what you describe you have fuel leaking at the injection pump delivery valves. If one is leaking I would replace them all while your there.

I would use o-rings from the dealer. They typically cost about .90 each. The benefit is you know they are correct for your application.

You can go to this site and agree to the legal part and then look up your model machine and find every part on it. Kubota Tractor Corporation - Illustrated Parts List

You can also print off the parts associated with in area so you have a heads up on what is in there. Be sure to have the area cleaner then your (pre-used)dinner plate!
I may be a little late on my reply, but, There is a place that has all sorts of rebuild parts and complete parts from a number of injector pumps out there. They are called Diesel Injector Pumps (catchy huh?). They are located in the UK and seem very knowledgeable. They take credit cards and also Pay Pal. Check them out!
 
   / You CAN repair a leaky fuel injector pump! PICS and a question. #31  
I may be a little late on my reply, but, There is a place that has all sorts of rebuild parts and complete parts from a number of injector pumps out there. They are called Diesel Injector Pumps (catchy huh?). They are located in the UK and seem very knowledgeable. They take credit cards and also Pay Pal. Check them out!
Update to get to their website. The website link is Diesel Injection Pumps - Seal Repair Kits - Spare Parts - BOSCH - DELPHI , I hope this helps someone out.
 
   / You CAN repair a leaky fuel injector pump! PICS and a question. #32  
7. Remove and replace the O-rings, 2 per injector. Here are three part numbers I found for replacement O-rings: KUBOTA 1584151201, SHIBAURA 1312272600,ZEXEL 0165501620. I couldn't find anything in stock in my area so I just pulled out my box of assorted metric O-rings and matched as closely as possible. The ones I used have the following dimensions: ID = 11.8, OD 16.6, Section 2.4
I have the same exact leak on my Kubota G1800S. When I went to purchase the o-ring seals the part number in Messicks shows up as a completely different size then what you have stated. Going off of your dimensions this is the closest fit: 04810-05110. Please let me know if my theory is correct.

Thank You,
Jordan K
 
   / You CAN repair a leaky fuel injector pump! PICS and a question. #33  
Getting anything but the Zexel orings is a waste of time..
 
   / You CAN repair a leaky fuel injector pump! PICS and a question. #34  
Getting anything but the Zexel orings is a waste of time..
I thought I looked through all the possible o-rings from all 3 brands but it looks like I might have found an alternative based on Zexel thanks to your comment. Here's the part number: (Bosch 9 442 610 029 O-Ring) It appears that amazon sells this part which means that it's more accessible to most people. Based on the chart below from kakapart.com I was able to find this alternative part. It's quite expensive though and I won't know if it really fits till I get it. In the manual it does state that their injection pump was made by Bosch MD. Please don't quote me on any of this as I am still trying to figure it out myself.

Thanks,
JordanK
 

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   / You CAN repair a leaky fuel injector pump! PICS and a question. #36  
U are correct.. if u get the Zexel orings, the Bosch part number will also b on the package..
Just use the Zexel pn and call any fuel shop.. they’ll more than likely have them.
Don’t rely on the internet..
& whatever you do, don’t ask for help rebuilding your pump from the people u get the parts from.. your taking money out of their pockets and now u want help doing it.. lol
Just trying to save u some embarrassment.. that’s all.
But who knows.??
 
   / You CAN repair a leaky fuel injector pump! PICS and a question. #37  
I had a small leak in my fuel injector pump and read that self-repair of these units is impossible, or at least strongly discouraged. Having a brother that is a good mechanic and can bail me out of most of the messes I create, I figured I would give it a shot. My repair was to a 3 cylinder Kubota (D722), but I think the same basic process would work on any Kubota diesel engine. This seems to be a fairly common problem so I hope it saves some time and money for others.

The leak was around the base where the injector lines connect to the pump. Slow leak, but over time builds up oily junk down the side of the engine. The problem is failing O-rings on the shaft of the injector. 2 O-rings on each shaft. Here's what I did:

1. Remove the three fuel lines, disconnecting at the head on one end and the injector pump at the other. 17mm wrench on mine.

2. Remove Torx screws that hold injector shaft into the pump. I suppose the reason for the security Torx is to discourage owners from attempting a repair. Can't think of any other reason. 5 of 6 came out easy with a T30 security Torx bit. Last one, of course, stripped. I used a Dremel cutting blade to cut a slit in the head just large enough to get a good flathead screwdriver into. Borrowed a tool from my brother (told you he was handy) made for just such a case - tap it with a hammer and it impacts and rotates the bit ever so slightly, just enough to break the screw loose.

3. Before going any further, mark the position of the flanges that held the Torx screws. There is a small amount of adjustment possible and it's important that they go back exactly where they were. I used my Dremel blade to etch a small mark on the flange and the housing below it. A marker wouldn't work on the oily surface.

4. After removing Torx screws, use a 17mm wrench to twist the shaft and loosen it.

5. Use pliers to grip the shaft and slowly pull it out of the pump.

***IMPORTANT*** As the injector comes out watch for a really small pin that will fall out of a hole at the bottom end of the injector. I didn't know it was there until I happened to see it fall out of the third injector I pulled. It was a real pain to try to find the other two tiny, tiny pins. Does anybody know what the pin does? See pics.

6. Cover the injector holes with clean cloth so nothing falls into them while you're working.

7. Remove and replace the O-rings, 2 per injector. Here are three part numbers I found for replacement O-rings: KUBOTA 1584151201, SHIBAURA 1312272600,ZEXEL 0165501620. I couldn't find anything in stock in my area so I just pulled out my box of assorted metric O-rings and matched as closely as possible. The ones I used have the following dimensions: ID = 11.8, OD 16.6, Section 2.4

8. Reinsert injector, being careful that the little pin stays in the hole. It's little and slippery so keep an eye on it. Lubricate the O-rings with a bit of oil before inserting. Mine was pretty snug so I used pliers to seat them and line up flange marks ensuring they went back to the position they were originally in.

9. Connect fuel lines, but leave the last one on top, toward the front of the machine, loose to bleed air when you start engine.

10. Start engine and when you see fuel start to spew from the open line, tighten it. I had to crank a couple of times before it started. Cloud of white smoke went away quickly. No leaks, no drips, success!

11. Try not to wonder why a relatively easy repair is discouraged by Kubota. Keep telling yourself that their warnings are nothing more than the opinions of educated men.
Old topic, but I thank you for the detailed information. You saved me a small fortune when my B2400 recently began leaking. I feared I was looking at a major bill to have it hauled to a dealer and for labor. Even the Kubota shop manual has very little info about this repair.

I found the Zexel rings online at Engine Parts Superstore for only $0.76 each vs $5.15 each at local dealers. Shipping ran $17:eek:, but it was still a savings.

I was a bit nervous about losing the "tiny pin", so I took the time to get good access. Hood and side panel off, air cleaner and mounting bracket removed.

I used a very thin sharp scribe to mark the housing at the edges of the flanges to insure they went back in the exact same positions. Also discovered "Zexel" is cast into the housing!

I found I also needed to remove the air intake manifold to get access to two of the flange mounting screws.

I used a hand impact tool to loosen all the flange mounting screws. Four of the six required more force than I expected. I'm pretty sure I would have stripped a few heads if I had not used the impact tool.

I held a paper towel around each body as I twisted them out with pliers - no tiny pin losses.

The top o-rings were the problem, all were very dried out, two had actually split and the third crumbled when I began to remove it.

Everything went back together very smoothly. Working carefully, total time about 90 minutes, including lots of cleaning as I worked and time spent figuring out the right combo of tools to use. Started on the first crank after bleeding. No more leaks.

Finished, except the hood is still off, waiting for Amazon to deliver a new fan belt. I found a couple chunks of the original on the floor, and a quite few gaps when I inspected the belt. I guess a belt life of 26 years is acceptable?
 
   / You CAN repair a leaky fuel injector pump! PICS and a question. #38  
Were the orings (6) u bought black or red.??
 
   / You CAN repair a leaky fuel injector pump! PICS and a question. #39  
Black, like the originals.
 
   / You CAN repair a leaky fuel injector pump! PICS and a question. #40  
............snip...........

I was a bit nervous about losing the "tiny pin", so I took the time to get good access. Hood and side panel off, air cleaner and mounting bracket removed.

............snip..........

Glad it worked out for you!


I replaced the delivery valve holder O-rings on the injection pump of 4-cylinder Kubota V1305 engine 2 or 3 years ago and somehow lost one of those "tiny pins", but managed to cut a perfect replacement short piece out of correct size metric drill bit shank.

Now the strange part of the story:
I found the missing "tiny pin" by accident about a year later when it caught my eye in a small crack in the concrete shop floor!


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