Yesterday. Would you buy and EV?

[AndyMA]

We have had 2 solar farms installed in our area in last 3 years. I have been trying to find out what the pay back has been. Nobody seems to know and don't want to find out. I have a feeling they are a losing proposition.

Not even close. Did you see my earlier post that natural gas plants cost 4 times more to build than solar plants? That doesn't take into account the huge difference in maintaince costs, Obviously the payback on solar plans is at least 4 times faster than a NG plant
BTW I'm an engineering manager for ConEdison Clean Energy Businesses. We are the second largest owner of solar & wind assets in North America.

 

[jyoutz]

1. Darkness
2. No wind

Pretty simple

That’s what natural gas turbines are for. They can be ramped up as needed. But over 30% of energy is renewables in my state, and I’d guess a significant amount in Texas, judging from all the wind installations I see there. Your point that they don’t work all the time is obvious, but who wouldn’t want a significant proportion of energy to be produced with little effort?

 

[jyoutz]

The solar/wind guys must dislike American made energy seeing that most of the junk is made in China or Europe.

Ridiculous comment

 

[Fixastuff]

It's cool that the people who drive past solar and wind farms(and don't like them) know more about their profitability than the accountants that clear them and businesses that build them, I'm impressed!

 

[ultrarunner]

Or the angle of deflection. I wish more people would accept both-and solutions instead of either-or.

My Northern Latitude friends often wondered why every rooftop in the SouthWest isn't covered with solar.

On my last visit I see panels sprouting in Northern Europe and British Columbia...

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Not even close. Did you see my earlier post that natural gas plants cost 4 times more to build than solar plants? That doesn't take into account the huge difference in maintaince costs, Obviously the payback on solar plans is at least 4 times faster than a NG plant
BTW I'm an engineering manager for ConEdison Clean Energy Businesses. We are the second largest owner of solar & wind assets in North America.

Many of us grew up worshipping fossil fuels and the abundance of good things they enabled.

Some see EVs as a more efficient way to utilize fossil fueled powerplants which is true but is not the endpoint.

Electric power tools and vehicles are becoming the new normal providing a new way to utilize energy sources that are not mainstream yet today.

Thinking tomorrow is going to like yesteryear is a blind canyon trapping many.

 

[hornett22]

We have had 2 solar farms installed in our area in last 3 years. I have been trying to find out what the pay back has been. Nobody seems to know and don't want to find out. I have a feeling they are a losing proposition.

If they released that info, you'd find out it's mostly from government subsidies

 

[hornett22]

In 2021, renewable resources accounted for the largest share of New Mexico's in-state electricity generation, about 36% of power from utility-scale (1 megawatt or larger) facilities and a total of 37% from utility-scale and small-scale (less than 1 megawatt) facilities combined.
View attachment 752653
Homepage - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) › state › analysis

You explain negatives. I don’t see any.

Oh it's from the government? Please forgive me if I don't run right out and believe it.

 

[jyoutz]

Oh it's from the government? Please forgive me if I don't run right out and believe it.

I’m sure that you prefer alternative facts.

 

[jyoutz]

If they released that info, you'd find out it's mostly from government subsidies

Yep. Them young whippersnappers with their new ideas. I mean the old ways worked just fine for grampa.

 

[Doughknob]

I’m sure that you prefer alternative facts.

Give up. You know what they say about AWI.

 

[Grateful11]

We bought a 2015 Toyota Prius hybrid last Fall and that's probably as far as we're going to go into the EV world. It's getting 50-60mpg and that's good enough for us, charges itself. I've seen several people that's charged their Prius Prime which gets you around 30 miles on all electric at highway speeds. It's taking 7 kwh to charge so if we had one that would cost us about $0.65, at least it has a ICE to take over when the batteries are depleted and you just keep going unlike a full EV. The batteries in these things are getting a lot life out of them too. It's not unheard of to get 250-300k miles before replacing the batteries or just replacing certain cells in the pack, most people never keep a car that long anyway.

 

[Citydude]

No reason to post this pic other than get Greta's angry face of this thread

 

[Citydude]

Dang, didn't work.

 

[hornett22]

 

[Fixastuff]

View attachment 752711View attachment 752711

I'm not a fan of her but I do find it funny so many people who have done nothing and will be forgotten enjoy joking on a young lady who as already made a name for herself.

 

[hornett22]

I'm not a fan of her but I do find it funny so many people who have done nothing and will be forgotten enjoy joking on a young lady who as already made a name for herself.

I fully intend to enjoy it as long as possible.

 

[hornett22]

I’m sure that you prefer alternative facts.

If it's an alternative from the government, you better believe it.

 

[Fixastuff]

I fully intend to enjoy it as long as possible.

Its 2022 if it makes you feel good go for it!

 

[hornett22]

Its 2022 if it makes you feel good go for it!

I have a feeling I'll enjoy it long after 2022.