Everlast Welders - Welders and Plasma Cutters by Everlast

[Mark @ Everlast]

Simple answer? Made in China. Complex answer? We design the units on this side of the pond. In fact I designed the interface for the plasmas and spec'd it myself. More Complex answer? Everyone is building their products in China or other countries outright or building subcomponents and assembling them here in the US (in some cases, just slapping the covers on them). This is common and has been for over 20 years now. Hypertherm is one example. They got into trouble with " building" their so-called usa made units because their internationally based components were not able to be made. For example, their solenoids were built in Costa Rica. Imagine what happens to the supply line when a small country like C.R. gets hit with Covid? They had a breakdown in supply. They had to even send their own employees into outsourced factories that supply them to operate the assembly lines to get production going. They were 6 to 8 months behind IIRC. With the fact that we build in China and use name brand, off the shelf components we've been able to survive any MAJOR shortages. Production did slow but never ceased and supply is fairly normal, even with shipping issues because we have anticipated ahead pushing out extra production well ahead of expected peak curves so it will arrive in time even with the slowed delivery.

As far as the torches? We use innotec made torches. Miller and Hypertherm use their own proprietary torches. Lincoln has theirs made by tecmo, an Italian company that is owned by relatives to the Innotec factory in China. They use the same basic design and patent from my understanding. They have their own special threading, but the design is the same. Many other companies use the Innotec or tecmo torches. Many of your tool truck brands, companies like HTP, Northern Tool, and even Harbor freight use either tecmo or innotec as their torch supplier. You can go to HF or Northern stores and buy consumables there. Some local welding supply stores can as well since either their store brands or a carried brand use the same torch. Keep in mind that HT and Miller are proprietary, so no ours won't interchange with theirs, and theirs won't interchange with each other.

 

[CalG]

I'm thinking strongly about getting a capable stick /tig

My shop space is not heated,, and it gets cold here. -3 F right now.

Do I need to keep the inverter type machines energized all the time in order to prolong the capacitor life?

I do keep all of my several (6) Variable Frequency Drives energized for that reason.

That Powertig 210 EXT looks nice

 

[Fallon]

I'm thinking strongly about getting a capable stick /tig

My shop space is not heated,, and it gets cold here. -3 F right now.

Do I need to keep the inverter type machines energized all the time in order to prolong the capacitor life?

I do keep all of my several (6) Variable Frequency Drives energized for that reason.

That Powertig 210 EXT looks nice

Really an inverter & VFD are the same thing & are going to have more or less the same components.

I have an 9kw inverter for my solar power system, an Everlast plasma, Miller inverter TIG unit & handful of other gear out in my shop. Some of it 15+ years old & all been exposed to -20f or so intermittently during the winter. Freezing temps may take some years off the life of the gear, but it hasn't outright killed it. Haven't had any inverter type gear die on me ever I can recall actually.

 

[Mark @ Everlast]

We don't recommend storage that low. Minimum recommended temp is 14F. They are light enough to pick up and store elsewhere. Shouldn't be an issue with taking in due to its weight and size.

 

[Hersheyfarm]

How are you guys making out with china/covid?

in the market for a mig that can weld 1/2, maybe 3/4. Are your welders holding up to the red and blue?

 

[Mark @ Everlast]

No issues with manufacturing, or at least we've not had delays like some of the other major companies who lean on China for their parts. The biggest issue we've had is in the good ole USA at the port.

 

[5030]

No issues with manufacturing, or at least we've not had delays like some of the other major companies who lean on China for their parts. The biggest issue we've had is in the good ole USA at the port.

That won't change in the immediate future, if anything it will get worse. Contrary to your business, I'd like to see this country adopt a policy of protectionism, not holding my breath on that however. I presume your stuff is completely produced in China.

 

[yomax4]

No-one... Makes welding equipment in the USA. Lincoln dose a little in Mexico and ESAB buys Orphans from the Swiss and China. We all know how that is gong. Everyone else imports from China (with some degree of success or failure.) Sometimes partially with other components coming from all over the world. It's been that way for 15 years. Miller only assembles in USA Bobcats included. Hypertherm brings in parts from all over the world including China. How do I know? I have one and have pulled the cover several times when the main board smoked out on me. Luckily I known the Rep and he takes care of me. China has many tiers of manufacturing quality. Some of the best running Mig wires are coming from China in Lincoln and ESAB boxes. I think it's too late to adopt an us vs them when they nearly own us already. Ask Brandon. He's dropping the tariffs Sept 1st.

 

[Tinhack]

If everything was made in USA, nobody would be able to afford it. At least not the lowly consumer. Ok for corporations or folks that can pass along costs, but certainly not me.

 

[5030]

No-one... Makes welding equipment in the USA. Lincoln dose a little in Mexico

I would disagree with you at least partially on your statement having been to Lincoln Electric in Euclid, Ohio numerous times and observing them building welding machines there. They may use outsourced components but the bigger machines (like Pipeliners for instance) are built in Euclid, Ohio

The buzzword term for imported is. World Class Manufacturing, kind of like putting lipstick on a pig.

 

[yomax4]

Yeah they probably make or assemble some engine drives there. It would be encouraging if they do . I've been there a few times too. They were always making or assembling something. The only real way to know is to go to a LWS and look at the shipping boxes all the stuff comes in. It has country of origin. I used to snap pics of the labels but I really don't pay that much attention lately. I think Lincoln probably employs the most manufacturing personnel.

I have to agree on the Pig.

 

[newbury]

What it boils down to is quality control and specs to ensure a good product. I'm sure if a manufacturer had adequate specs and good quality control a good product could be produced anywhere. Everlast seems to keep on top of both.

 

[5030]

Takes constant oversight to achieve that. I always cite Harbor Freight when it comes to oversight, them and Grizzly.

Interesting thing with HF, they carry the cheapo stuff (that obviously has no oversight) and it shows and the better to real good stuff that does and that shows as well.

Of course they charge more for that oversight but it's worth the extra cost in my view. I don't buy the cheap stuff, only the good stuff.

Same with Grizzly. I bet Balolia spends quite a bit of time in China watching over the products he sells here.

Neither company would have survived this long selling junk. I imagine Everlast also carries out oversight, they have to or their stuff would be bad mouthed everywhere.

Far as HF goes, my favorite example is their line of Chief air tools. I have both the 4.5" angle grinder and their angle head die grinder and both are well built tools and comparable to the much more expensive Ingersol Rand air tools. In fact they actually look alike, all except for the name on the barrel.

 

[Hersheyfarm]

Yea harbor freight has chose to jump into the higher quality game/higher price on certain thing. Bought a 2000 predator a couple years ago for the work truck. Mainly use it for microwave(lunch) and a 15 amp rotary hammer. Goes good. So I recently took a big risk and got a predator 9500 watt inverter for the house. Seem pretty well built. Very quiet for its output. Never thought I’d buy something from harbor freight for $2500. Seems dumb on paper, but here we are. I do like their tool boxes and the icon stuff looks good.

 

[TMGT]

Takes constant oversight to achieve that. I always cite Harbor Freight when it comes to oversight, them and Grizzly.

Interesting thing with HF, they carry the cheapo stuff (that obviously has no oversight) and it shows and the better to real good stuff that does and that shows as well.

Of course they charge more for that oversight but it's worth the extra cost in my view. I don't buy the cheap stuff, only the good stuff.

Same with Grizzly. I bet Balolia spends quite a bit of time in China watching over the products he sells here.

Neither company would have survived this long selling junk. I imagine Everlast also carries out oversight, they have to or their stuff would be bad mouthed everywhere.

Far as HF goes, my favorite example is their line of Chief air tools. I have both the 4.5" angle grinder and their angle head die grinder and both are well built tools and comparable to the much more expensive Ingersol Rand air tools. In fact they actually look alike, all except for the name on the barrel.

I have the Chief and Baxter air tools also, I think part of the better quality is they are made in Taiwan instead of China, seems to be a little more pride with Taiwan. They also are capable of much better casting, especially om machine tools.

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[5030]

Interestingly, I own an IR 4.5" air grinder as well as the Chief (HF) 4.5" air grinder and other than the name on the barrel and the retail price, they are identical. The IR retails for 265 bucks at MSC and the Chief retails for $102 at Harbor freight which leads me to believe they were made on the same assembly line. Not sure exactly where they were made but they are identical twins. Not sure about the right angle die grinder as I only have the Chief version.

 

[Mark @ Everlast]

I would disagree with you at least partially on your statement having been to Lincoln Electric in Euclid, Ohio numerous times and observing them building welding machines there. They may use outsourced components but the bigger machines (like Pipeliners for instance) are built in Euclid, Ohio

The buzzword term for imported is. World Class Manufacturing, kind of like putting lipstick on a pig.

Out source components has shown it's weakness in the last couple years. This has led from everything to 8 month delays at Hypertherm, Miller and others and empty dealer lots all over the country. But Everlast has managed to keep decent inventories. We wouldn't have experienced much if any hiccups except the port dock situations.

 

[Mark @ Everlast]

That won't change in the immediate future, if anything it will get worse. Contrary to your business, I'd like to see this country adopt a policy of protectionism, not holding my breath on that however. I presume your stuff is completely produced in China.

Protectionism has never ended well for the USA, historically...and for good reason. And the nearly quadrupled prices in steel ought to give you a clue as to what happens exactly, even though input costs were not justifying the increase, or the demand either.

 

[5030]

Protectionism has never ended well for the USA, historically...and for good reason. And the nearly quadrupled prices in steel ought to give you a clue as to what happens exactly, even though input costs were not justifying the increase, or the demand either.

Your opinion is very biased because your income is derived from imported goods that you resell. I have no issue with your opinion but it's a slanted one. Kind of like Harbor Freight and their various lines of tools. The cheap stuff obviously has no oversight (and it shows) where as the premium lines have oversight and that shows as well. I buy a lot of tools at HF, but I always buy the tools that they practice oversight on. Case in point the Icon line. It's premium quality but still sold at an affordable price point compared with domestic made items. Same applies to Grizzly.

I do get a charge out of your 'Everlast' trade name. Nothing lasts forever including you and me.

Not here to analyze or debate protectionism policies, all I'm saying is this country as a whole, needs to tighten up on imported goods, especially those imported from Socialist countries. All we really do is feed their agenda.

I remember decades ago when Mitituoyo (Japan) started selling their precision tools in this country. They were crude pieces of junk. Today, they have become a world leader in precision measuring tools, in fact the global standard for them. Progression of quality is always good and companies like Starrett and Brown and Sharp stood on their laurels and got swept to the curb because they lost their competitive edge and priced themselves basically out of the market.

Being an American citizen and a patriot, I still prefer domestically produced goods but that is the way I am.

 

[Mark @ Everlast]

Protectionism (and it's brother isolationism) is the cause of war.

But you slight me when you think I am biased because of who I currently work with. No. I've farmed a very large portion of my life, and farmed commodities as well for part of that time. Most of the time I farmed vegetables. Since this is an Ag related site, I can speak my mind on this from that stand point.

Protectionism creates retaliation. The American farmer feeds the world in many respects. We depend upon foreign markets and free trade to sell our products abroad. When we create tariffs and laws and a system, in general that causes other countries to retaliate by taxing and blocking our product in other countries, we loose American farms and jobs. And if another country/or countries retaliate strong enough, it ends in the loss of American life. It also hurts other countries whose citizens depend on our products to be fed and clothed. Protectionism has ruined American Agriculture whenever we start to practice it. The USA cannot absorb the total amount of our production capacity of our Agriculture system. Yes, we have to compete with other countries, but we KNOW that free enterprise is not truly free unless we have competition. Yes, things like NAFTA hurt us in the short term in farms, but we adapted and realigned. I was hurt on a big crop of vegetables because Argentina was "dumping" on the US market. But Argentina got hurt and the US market rebounded next year because Argentina got hurt badly too and didn't try to dump the next year.

And if you are ok with inflation, then protectionism is your answer. But if you don't like to see greedy US companies keep getting greedier and taking huge windfall profits and overcharging consumers, while quality goes down the toilet and you experience "shrinkflation" then open trade up and allow free enterprise by everybody.

People who often spout protectionism under sell the American spirit and know how. Because they don't think US products and companies can compete with off shore stuff? Well, they can. No one "wants to". And everyone will complain and make trips to congress. The best way to survive is to get off their duffs and get competitive. It can and has been done. Retool, rethink, re organize. I guess you may not remember the absolute crap show the US automobile market was in during the 70's and 80's. Quality was in the crapper. And the Japanese came out with super reliable cars. People would get harrassed even though if they bought one though initially and ever were called "traitors". There was a strong protectionism spirit? What happened? People stopped buying US JUNK and went to other brands. Once detroit saw that, they got busy and started changing their ways...and in turn the Japanese saw the US market as such a gold mine, they opened up plants in the US added jobs and the pie got bigger for everyone.