Anyone ever "delete" the dpf on a tractor?

   / Anyone ever "delete" the dpf on a tractor? #141  
On the Massey Ferguson FB page, there are some guys talking about deleting their tractors and having them tuned. Here is a picture after it was done that I found interesting. So far, everyone that has had it done is very happy with the results.

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   / Anyone ever "delete" the dpf on a tractor? #142  
On the Massey Ferguson FB page, there are some guys talking about deleting their tractors and having them tuned. Here is a picture after it was done that I found interesting. So far, everyone that has had it done is very happy with the results.

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Just the fact that the engine can breathe easily again makes a ton of difference. Plus a little bit of mild tuning and it behaves a lot nicer.
 
   / Anyone ever "delete" the dpf on a tractor?
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#143  
On the Massey Ferguson FB page, there are some guys talking about deleting their tractors and having them tuned. Here is a picture after it was done that I found interesting. So far, everyone that has had it done is very happy with the results.

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That is interesting. It seems to have gained a lot more horsepower than I would have thought it would. I'd like to see more info on this sort of testing.

And, I wonder if the tractor can hold up to so much added horsepower, or not???
 
   / Anyone ever "delete" the dpf on a tractor? #144  
That is interesting. It seems to have gained a lot more horsepower than I would have thought it would. I'd like to see more info on this sort of testing.

And, I wonder if the tractor can hold up to so much added horsepower, or not???

Its a good question to address. The manufacturers are notorious for designing equipment barely up to standards to save money. However, tractor drivelines are usually overbuilt to withstand shock loads. I know I have withstood many unexpected shock loads on mine and so far, no damage. Pulling a plow is tough on a tractor. I have hit many an unexpected yank on the driveline this way.
I would think adding some power by deleting is relatively safe.
 
   / Anyone ever "delete" the dpf on a tractor? #145  
On the Massey Ferguson FB page, there are some guys talking about deleting their tractors and having them tuned. Here is a picture after it was done that I found interesting. So far, everyone that has had it done is very happy with the results.

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Eddie, I don't think it is any different than some of the JD tractors that share the same engine and frame, I was told by the JD mechanic that my pre-def 2011 JD 5093E could be turned up to get the same HP as the 101E as well as any model in that line that shared the same engine and frame, I have a friend who purchased the same tractor that you purchased and was told by the dealer that when the warranty was up that for about $ 1,500.00 it could be increased to around 100 hp, doing so before the warranty expires would void it.
 
   / Anyone ever "delete" the dpf on a tractor? #146  
Just the fact that the engine can breathe easily again makes a ton of difference. Plus a little bit of mild tuning and it behaves a lot nicer.
Those little “HP tuning boxes” are awfully tempting.
My 7495 Massey is the largest model with the 6.6L Sisu. No issues with power, but the next bigger model got an 8 liter Valmet diesel. I have been tempted to add a boost box to it, especially when I get going uphill with the square baler. lol
 
   / Anyone ever "delete" the dpf on a tractor? #147  
Those little “HP tuning boxes” are awfully tempting.
My 7495 Massey is the largest model with the 6.6L Sisu. No issues with power, but the next bigger model got an 8 liter Valmet diesel. I have been tempted to add a boost box to it, especially when I get going uphill with the square baler. lol
People turn their tractors up all the time over here and put thousands and thousands of trouble free hours. I feel that tractors have a lot of margin to play with in that regard so it wouldn't concern me too much.

The first thing they typically do, is to remove those speed limit things that tractors have built in. Like on a Kubota M7060 that on 6th gear, high range, it limits the RPM of the engine to 1600RPM or some thing along those lines. They trick the sensor (I believe) and the thing just flies down the road nice and happy.
 
   / Anyone ever "delete" the dpf on a tractor? #148  
We always 'turned up' our big over the road diesels by changing the fuel button (on a Cummins engine or shimming the rack on a Caterpillar. Real common place prior to the ECM-T4 crap of today. We all drove by the pyrometer anyway and 1500 degrees was the max exhaust temp before bad things started happening to aluminum alloy pistons, rings and liners.

855 Cummins could be turned from stock output to almost 1000 horses before bad thins happened. Same with 3406 and 1693 Cats. 1000-1500 horse was not uncommon.

Last Cummins 855 intercooled Big cam I had in a Western Star, it was putting 700 to the rear wheels in 13 direct with no issue, so long as I kept an eye on the pyrometer and didn't lug the engine. When you lug a diesel, exhaust temps go up quickly and then the motor suffers.

Still own a mechanically injected (no emissions junk) Caterpillar 3406 E engine in a International Eagle conventional that makes 550 ponies at the rear drives and is as reliable as a rock.

Longevity is entirely dependent on how they are operated and if the operator is a dummy or not.
 
   / Anyone ever "delete" the dpf on a tractor? #149  
Myself, I don't feel the need to 'turn up' either of my Kubota tractors, what they make at the pto is quite sufficient for my requirements but being pre 4 mechanically injected (Bosh style fuel rail pumps), they can easily be turned up (injecting more fuel per stroke than stock).

One thing to always keep in mind and that is. the more fuel you inject into the cylinder per revolution, the more fuel you will consume so more fuel used equals added expense and with diesel fuel costing what it does today, if you use a large quantity (like I do), fuel cost per acre run becomes an overhead issue.

Why I won't turn them up. They are easy to turn up but I won't because at rated power, both are very economical to operate and the cost of fuel impacts my bottom line adversely.
 
   / Anyone ever "delete" the dpf on a tractor? #150  
For the Massey Ferguson 4700 Global series tractors, they use the same engine and drive train. Or at least that's what I understand. Mine is the 70 HP 4707 model, and it's the only one without DEF. The other three models, the 4708, 4709, 4710 have DEF. They are 80 HP, 90 HP, and 100 HP. I'm not sure how much you can add to the 100 HP model, but it's becoming more common to bump the 70 HP model up to something close to 100 HP. I'm also told that this is why the 4707 is their most popular tractor. You get a tractor without DEF that is easily to increase the HP to something significant for a small amount of money.

I'm new to having 70 HP in a tractor and I think it has plenty of power. I'm amazed at how much power it has. But I'm only pulling a 12 foot batwing with it. If I was haying, that might make me think about adding more power. Maybe by the time I get my pastures into shape, I'll think about doing my own hay. Massey sells a round baler designed for the 70 HP tractor, so it could go either way.

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   / Anyone ever "delete" the dpf on a tractor? #151  
For the Massey Ferguson 4700 Global series tractors, they use the same engine and drive train. Or at least that's what I understand. Mine is the 70 HP 4707 model, and it's the only one without DEF. The other three models, the 4708, 4709, 4710 have DEF. They are 80 HP, 90 HP, and 100 HP. I'm not sure how much you can add to the 100 HP model, but it's becoming more common to bump the 70 HP model up to something close to 100 HP. I'm also told that this is why the 4707 is their most popular tractor. You get a tractor without DEF that is easily to increase the HP to something significant for a small amount of money.

I'm new to having 70 HP in a tractor and I think it has plenty of power. I'm amazed at how much power it has. But I'm only pulling a 12 foot batwing with it. If I was haying, that might make me think about adding more power. Maybe by the time I get my pastures into shape, I'll think about doing my own hay. Massey sells a round baler designed for the 70 HP tractor, so it could go either way.

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I am still amazed at the difference going from my old MF1250 34hp/27pto to my DK4510 45hp/42pto. My 1250 with a 60" brush hog struggled in certain places to where I had to downshift. My DK breezes through the same areas at same or higher ground speed with an 84" cutter without even much of a note change. I mow the same area in less than half time using less than half the fuel.

The DK4510 is identical in every respect to the 50 and 55 HP models except in ECU tuning. While I wouldn't mind tuning it up some time in the future (after warranty expires), I so far have not really seen the need with current use. I will likely leave it alone unless there is a need down the road.

"If it ain't broke don't fix it".
 
   / Anyone ever "delete" the dpf on a tractor? #152  
Massey sells a round baler designed for the 70 HP tractor, so it could go either way.
So does New Holland and even the new Kubota BV series (can be operated with under 70 pto). It all has to do with how the infeed is set up. NH uses a set od convex steel discs that keep the bale from rubbing the side sheets (where the frictional loss is and the power requirements come into play). So does Kubota (Kenverland) BV bailers. In fact they are standard equipment on them. Most round baler fires can be attributed to 2 things. either a locked bearing on one of the rolls or the friction created between the side sheets and the bale as it rotates and grows in the bale chamber. I believe Vermeer and JD also use them.

The last NH baler I owned (and traded in on the Kubota BV) was rated at a very conservative 40 horse PTO input. The issue arises when rolling a full bale and the weight of the bailer and bale exceeds the weight of the tractor. Not an issue on flat ground but can be a BIG issue on hilly ground. Round bailers are heavy to begin with. They have to be built stout to contain the bales as they are rolled.

The last thing you want is the bailer driving the tractor. That can be a huge pucker factor.
 
   / Anyone ever "delete" the dpf on a tractor? #153  
Today I took my Ram 3500 to an old friend who has owned a diesel mechanic shop for many years. We started talking about the issues I've had recently with my Kubota L6060. You can see more on that here. Water in fuel causes $10,000 damage to my Kubota Grand L6060

As we were talking he said "You know I can 'delete' that tractor for you. This guy owns a well-known and highly respected shop, and works mainly on large trucks, and lots of them

I'm wondering if anyone else has attempted to "delete" a tractor, and what were the results.
If you even thought about doing something like that an open forum on the Internet is the last place in the world to discuss such activity.
 
   / Anyone ever "delete" the dpf on a tractor? #154  
What do you think we’ve been talking about?
I thought we were talking about a homeowners compact tractor that stays in his own yard. But as usual everyone went off about pickups and commercial on road trucks.

I'd also like to know specifically if that tractor can be deleted as per what the OP asked. That would be the only way I'd ever buy a new over 26 h.p. tractor. I have ZERO interest in regens. Been there, done that, never doing again.
 
   / Anyone ever "delete" the dpf on a tractor? #155  
Can something be done? Or, can something be done legally? Therein lies the rub. Here in the U.S., there is probably a slim chance that you would be caught modifying your own tractor. Far be it from me to advise doing anything I know to be illegal. Don't want the EPA hunting me down. Not sure about modern Canada. Seems like your PM is not exactly comfortable with personal liberty, but that discussion will need to take place elsewhere.
 
   / Anyone ever "delete" the dpf on a tractor? #157  
Just get a Branson. No computer to deal with. When my DPF finally gives me problems I can just take it off and put a muffler on it and the tractor will probably love me for it.
 
   / Anyone ever "delete" the dpf on a tractor? #158  
Eventually, even your gas powered lawnmower will have to be T compliant once the EPA rolls in the T5 mandate. All manufactures will have to be in compliance or they will be unable to sell their products anywhere except maybe Russia and China. I don't believe that your chance of getting pinched because you fiddled with your tractor will ever be an issue but when you initially purchase it, it will have a compliant engine.
 
   / Anyone ever "delete" the dpf on a tractor? #159  
Seems like your PM is not exactly comfortable with personal liberty, but that discussion will need to take place elsewhere.
Neither is our sitting president but like you state, not a discussion to have here. More like a discussion to have on 'Top News Talk. There, you can discuss and dissect it all you want to.
 
   / Anyone ever "delete" the dpf on a tractor? #160  
Where do you get DPF deletion programming services in the US?
 

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