12 to 18 month wait for new vehicle!!

[tradosaurus]

I’m sorry, but that’s just plain nuts doing that. You are getting crushed on not only depreciation, but sales tax.
Sounds like a mental disease.

Uh oh. shots fired!

 

[Hay Dude]

Uh oh. shots fired!

Well, yeah, but I mean seriously?

 

[tradosaurus]

I'm amazed some of you folks have the patience to wait a year or two for a new vehicle you have ordered, especially the fact of not being locked into a firm price, and not knowing for sure IF it will ever be delivered. My OCD will not allow me to wait, and wait, and wait. If I decide I want another vehicle, I do my research, and when I find what I want, at the price I am willing to pay, the deal gets done, very quickly.
I certainly don't, and can't even wait for a dealer to get a lot vehicle ready for me in a couple of days. I quit buying new, and only buy privately now. The deal can be done in the same day. No waiting, no wondering, no loss of sleep.

The only disadvantage to buying from a private seller is having the cash available or having to wait for the check to clear the bank.

 

[bdhsfz6]

I buy new because I have a GM credit card, and the points lower the price of the car. Saved $4500 on the 2022 Silverado we bought last year by using credit card points. And that is on top of other discounts - $500 first responder and $2000 dealer incentives. I'm willing to wait 3 months to get exactly the options we wanted at the price no other manufacturer could match.

I did something similar back in 2003. I bought a new Chevy Silverado 4WD with a sticker price of $19,000. In round numbers, I applied discounts from my GM card of $5000, GM supplier discount of $2200, GM credit for a vehicle with an interior gas tank of $2500, GM loyalty discount of $1200 and actually paid $8,100 for the truck. I got $12,500 when I traded it for a new 2012 GMC Sierra.

I used that Chevy for almost 9 years and made $4,400 on the deal! That'll never happen again.

I got a letter from GM shortly after the 2012 purchase saying that all those discounts were not allowed to be combined. The dealer made an error and they would be responsible. I felt a bit guilty since the dealer owner is a friend so I showed him the letter. After some investigating, He found that GM had actually taken the loss and did not pass it on to the dealership.

 

[RSKY]

We have always bought new and driven the vehicle 'till the wheels fell off'. Or until our requirements changed. For example, when I really didn't need a pickup but needed something a little better on gas than the 15mpg I was getting with my 1993 Dakota and traded for a 2007 RAV4. Which was traded in 2015 for a 2014 Ford F150. That trade was because my requirements had changed again. Well, let me back up. That is for my use, my wife and daughters, when they were still at home, drove new vehicles because I have had to stop and help females broke down on the road too many times. The thought of THAT scared me.

RSKY

 

[bdhsfz6]

I,m amazed some of you folks have the patience to wait a year or two for a new vehicle you have ordered, especially the fact of not being locked into a firm price, and not knowing for sure IF it will ever be delivered. My OCD will not allow me to wait, and wait, and wait. If I decide I want another vehicle, I do my research, and when I find what I want, at the price I am willing to pay, the deal gets done, very quickly.
I certainly don,t, and cann,t even wait for a dealer to get a lot vehicle ready for me in a couple of days. I quit buying new, and only buy privately now. The deal can be done in the same day. No waiting, no wondering, no loss of sleep.

I think this depends on where you live and how much you have to spend. Times change and so do an individual's needs & wants.

In my case, like you, I bought 4 used trucks from private sellers over the years. Two turned out ok but the other two were disasters. The transfer case failed on one after just 500 miles. My state had no "lemon law" at the time so I had to eat the repair cost. When you buy from a private owner, kick the tires and check your state laws. You could be buying someone else's headache. I did buy another used truck after that bad experience but it was from a dealer who offered a limited warranty.

I've been buying vehicles, both new and used all my life and settling for the way they were equipped. I never did find one with everything I wanted. At my age, the 2022 GMC Sierra I just bought might well be my last. For once, I got a ride with all the bells & whistles I wanted. I didn't mind waiting 18 months since my trade in vehicle was running fine. It actually went up in value during the wait due to the pandemic. The dealer also honored the original price so there was no concern about an increase.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Costco puts nitrogen in tires they install at no cost.

 

[Oaktree]

Those trucks are not meant to sit for long periods; certainly not months at a time. They're being delivered with surface rust, electrical issues, windshield leaks, all kinds of various problems that may not have existed otherwise.

But is that any different than a vehicle sitting on a dealership lot for months like in the old days? A vehicle sitting shouldn't cause a leak if one didn't exist before.

I buy new because I have a GM credit card, and the points lower the price of the car. Saved $4500 on the 2022 Silverado we bought last year by using credit card points. And that is on top of other discounts - $500 first responder and $2000 dealer incentives. I'm willing to wait 3 months to get exactly the options we wanted at the price no other manufacturer could match.

Dealer incentives??? Is there even such a thing anymore?
As far as getting "exactly the options you want", I wasn't aware you could do that anymore. Thought you were still stuck with packages, and it never failed the one option you wanted required you to buy a (much) higher priced package with a bunch of crap you didn't want. I suppose if you're picky on color or something.

I,m amazed some of you folks have the patience to wait a year or two for a new vehicle you have ordered, especially the fact of not being locked into a firm price, and not knowing for sure IF it will ever be delivered. My OCD will not allow me to wait, and wait, and wait. If I decide I want another vehicle, I do my research, and when I find what I want, at the price I am willing to pay, the deal gets done, very quickly.
I certainly don,t, and cann,t even wait for a dealer to get a lot vehicle ready for me in a couple of days. I quit buying new, and only buy privately now. The deal can be done in the same day. No waiting, no wondering, no loss of sleep.

I hear ya. No way would I want to go that route either. I'm not OCD, it's just that I don't make plans to replace vehicles that far out.
Private sale is fine if you can find someone selling what you want, and it doesn't have hidden issues. That seems to work better with older vehicles than relatively late model.

 

[Jstpssng]

I’m sorry, but that’s just plain nuts doing that. You are getting crushed on not only depreciation, but sales tax.
Sounds like a mental disease.

He didn’t even buy tires. It used to cost him about $4000 to trade, when he was telling me about it 20 years ago. Sales tax is reduced by his trade, he only had to pay it on the difference. His trucks were just like brand new when he traded… the only thing lacking was the warranty.

 

[tradosaurus]

Costco puts nitrogen in tires they install at no cost.

The 100% nitrogen is a scam.
Tires filled with nitrogen maintain inflation pressure longer than compressed air-filled tires in fluctuating temperatures. This is why nitrogen is used to fill airplane tires, as temperatures can change dramatically between takeoff and landing. Since nitrogen does not completely eliminate temperature-related pressure changes under normal driving conditions, it is of little benefit to vehicle owners who properly maintain their tires.
Air is 75% Nitrogen so I'm good with that.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

If I saw $200 on a car sticker for nitrogen, I’d say take it out and put in air. Not paying the $200 extra. I agree, not enough difference to matter.

I bought a new Mazda about 2-3 months ago while it was on a boat. Now it’s a garage queen.

 

[tacticalturnip]

But is that any different than a vehicle sitting on a dealership lot for months like in the old days? A vehicle sitting shouldn't cause a leak if one didn't exist before.

Vehicles that sit at dealerships are attended to; the trucks at Kentucky Speedway weren't.

I just read a post today regarding fog light wires chewed by mice on a truck with 106 miles on it, one of the trucks that sat. Add to it, I just read there are still 40k undelivered '22 Super Duty trucks, and they're delivering '23s to lots.

I can't imagine being one of these guys that still has not received their already built 2022 truck; they're pretty pissed.

 

[bmg88201]

Yes, putting nitrogen in the tires is a scam. They don’t tell you about the nitrogen charge until you are sitting down to buy the vehicle. When I bought the Tacoma I saw the add ons for nitrogen, tinted windows, clear plastic trim on the door edges (which started peeling off in a couple of weeks) and tonneau cover. I do like the tinted windows, the tonneau cover is useless as nipples on a bull. But hey, I liked the truck otherwise so I bought, it is what it is. I should have told them to put argon in the tires and see what they said, lol.

 

[Dftodd]

Yes, putting nitrogen in the tires is a scam. They don’t tell you about the nitrogen charge until you are sitting down to buy the vehicle. When I bought the Tacoma I saw the add ons for nitrogen, tinted windows, clear plastic trim on the door edges (which started peeling off in a couple of weeks) and tonneau cover. I do like the tinted windows, the tonneau cover is useless as nipples on a bull. But hey, I liked the truck otherwise so I bought, it is what it is. I should have told them to put argon in the tires and see what they said, lol.

I like my tonneau cover. It's the leather covered hard top. It can be installed or removed within a couple minutes. Allows for dry storage in the bed if we are traveling with the grandkids. Can be removed easily if I need to haul something in the bed.

 

[Jstpssng]

I like my tonneau cover, also. It’s just an inexpensive soft top but keeps things dry when it’s raining and rolls up out of the way in seconds if I need the space. I really miss my Katahdin racks with side rails but if I ever buy a set will probably have the tonneau modified so that I can still use it.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

All those add on products I prefer to buy afterwards. I like my bed cover.

 

[BoylermanCT]

I’m sorry, but that’s just plain nuts doing that. You are getting crushed on not only depreciation, but sales tax.
Sounds like a mental disease.

Have you priced used trucks lately? Some were going for more than new ones because they were available and new ones had a months long wait. Sales tax is the same on a $35,000 new truck or used one. At least in CT, tax is paid when you register it, so it does not matter if you buy from a dealer, out of state dealer, or private sale. The big guy gets paid, always does!

I buy new, get a 20% discount on the price through the GM card, first responder discounts, dealer incentives etc. That's the same as buying a 2 year old vehicle, and I get the full warranty and no repairs for 3 years.

We keep our cars for 14 years or so. By that time, they owe me nothing, and are usually pretty worn out.

 

[Hay Dude]

Have you priced used trucks lately? Some were going for more than new ones because they were available and new ones had a months long wait. Sales tax is the same on a $35,000 new truck or used one. At least in CT, tax is paid when you register it, so it does not matter if you buy from a dealer, out of state dealer, or private sale. The big guy gets paid, always does!

I buy new, get a 20% discount on the price through the GM card, first responder discounts, dealer incentives etc. That's the same as buying a 2 year old vehicle, and I get the full warranty and no repairs for 3 years.

We keep our cars for 14 years or so. By that time, they owe me nothing, and are usually pretty worn out.

Yeah I am seeing the same thing. Because of covid and supply chain disruptions, we are seeing situations where availability is so low, used is worth more than a newly ordered truck.

I own 20 pieces of equipment and have never found trading new equipment or vehicles every 6 months to be a profitable or practical venture.

 

[Jstpssng]

Yeah I am seeing the same thing. Because of covid and supply chain disruptions, we are seeing situations where availability is so low, used is worth more than a newly ordered truck.

I own 20 pieces of equipment and have never found trading new equipment or vehicles every 6 months to be a profitable or practical venture.

You like working on things. My friend doesn’t. He also takes exceptional care of his things. He only had one truck, which he needed to depend on so that he could work away from home 4-5 days per week. He banked his mileage checks, used his GM card for gas, meals, and motels so accumulated a pretty good amount toward the new truck. They were paid for when he drove them off the lot He never had to worry about being off warranty; or even buying tires. Gas, oil changes and insurance were the only things he worried about.
Just because it doesn’t work for you doesn’t mean it won’t work for everybody.

Considering how much down time I had in the same period of time because of stupid things like U-joints, transmissions, and other miscellaneous crap; I would also have been better off buying new and trading often. A manufacturer warranty is a wonderful thing. When you’re 500 miles from home, changing brakes or a fuel pump in the motel parking lot isn’t much fun. I also was driving 50,000 miles/year.

Another colleague found out the hard way how expensive a breakdown can be; he worked in NY for two weeks and his Subaru lost the drive line on the way home. The entire profit was eaten up the repair bill, as well as by motel fees while he waited for his car to be repaired. I was lucky, considering the places I used to travel. I was never more than 30 miles from home when I had a break down I couldn’t fix. But I did lose a lot of money to down time.

 

[ovrszd]

Pay me now or pay me later.