TYM T474HC at the top of my list to buy

[TYM 474 Owner]

Well, here is a question I have. Should I be able to use the joystick to raise and lower the loader AND roll the bucket (or in my case the pallet forks) at the same time? Basically move the joystick to the "corners" of travel and activate both functions concurrently?

I am not able to.

 

[tacticalturnip]

I am not able to.

I have a Kioti, so I'm not familiar with TYM, but if you work it very carefully can you finesse it enough to do two functions together?

 

[stoyan79]

I can do it on my 4820, but was a lot easier on my Kubota. Loader is a lot faster and overall functions better on my old Kubota.

 

[Torvy]

I can do it on my 4820, but was a lot easier on my Kubota. Loader is a lot faster and overall functions better on my old Kubota.

Haha...except if you want to lift a heavy load. Kubota have much lower lift capacities than the equivalent sized tractors in many other brands.

 

[stoyan79]

Very strange deal, Kubota lifts 1,000lbs less, BUT loader is so much faster! Wish I knew why ...

Haha...except if you want to lift a heavy load. Kubota have much lower lift capacities than the equivalent sized tractors in many other brands.

 

[ptsg]

Very strange deal, Kubota lifts 1,000lbs less, BUT loader is so much faster! Wish I knew why ...

Smaller cylinders and different loader geometry can make it faster at the expense of lifting capacity.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

Smaller dia cylinder would do both

 

[jyoutz]

Haha...except if you want to lift a heavy load. Kubota have much lower lift capacities than the equivalent sized tractors in many other brands.

Many other brands advertise heavy lift capacity, but the tractor weight isn’t commensurate with the advertised lift capacity. What the loader hydraulics can lift seems to be unsafe for the light weight of the machine. My MX will lift just under 2400 pounds, but one ton feels pretty heavy for the machine weight. I wouldn’t want to lift more on that size/weight machine. Yet I see other brands of comparable machine weight advertising a lift capacity of 2700 pounds. There’s hydraulic lift capacity and safe handling capacity. I wouldn’t want to lift more than my MX capacity unless the tractor weighed significantly more. And yes I have filled rear tires and at least 1000 pounds of 3ph ballast when I’m lifting anything heavy with the loader.

 

[Slowpoke Slim]

I think part of the issue is a "cultural" one. The south korean brands aren't into being nannies and nurse maids like the us brands tend to be. I think part of that is cultural based, and part of it is they just don't think about the general public being "sue happy" like the us brands are used to dealing with.

So if you're a complete "doorknob" (clean version) type operator, you can get yourself (and your tractor) into way more trouble with a korean tractor, because they are less interested in having this nanny "safety net" under you. They actually consider the operator will actually know what they are doing and NOT try to lift an unsafe load. That "unsafe" can come in many forms, like no or not enough ballast weight, lifting too high for no reason, lifting heavy on uneven ground. Lots of factors can take a "safe" load, and make it suddenly "unsafe".

Where as the us brands are well and truly used to being sued for anything from a hangnail while steering, to being sued for not warning the operator to not drink the battery acid.

Where as the south korean companies are used to dealing with (korean) operators of equipment that will actually know what the hell they are doing, and how to do it safely. Sometimes that is good, and sometimes that can end badly, especially with a brand new tractor owner/operator.

But if someone is fully committed to breaking their tractor, they will. You can take a brand new (any brand) tractor and break it with 0.1 hours on the meter if you really try.

My 4200 lb bare frame (7000 lb dressed out) tractor is rated for 2200 lbs at the pins. I've had 1600-1800 lbs on the 4' forks, or a 6' round bale on the bale spear, and that's really all it wants. I didn't lift any of those loads any higher than necessary, and not on uneven ground. I also had filled rears and a rear ballast weight on when I did it. If I had tried hard enough (no ballast, no filled rears), I'm sure I could have broken my front axle. But since I WASN'T a complete "doorknob" (again, clean version) I didn't do that.

 

[jyoutz]

I think that you and I are saying the same things. You know the limits of safely operating your machine. Many brands advertise lift capacity that is higher than what is prudent for the weight of the machine as an advertising draw. But in reality exceeds the safety limits. Real world performance may vary….

 

[Slowpoke Slim]

I think that you and I are saying the same things. You know the limits of safely operating your machine. Many brands advertise lift capacity that is higher than what is prudent for the weight of the machine as an advertising draw. But in reality exceeds the safety limits. Real world performance may vary….

Unfortunately, we are not even close to saying the same thing...

Not sure how to rectify that, either.

It is most certainly NOT being done as an "advertising draw" or other such stunt. "Reality" is in the eye of the beholder. They are most certainly not "exceeding safety limits", or any other such nonsense.

There are "Equipment Operators" and there are "Doorknobs".

 

[GT3 Mike]

Looking at buying a 474. My dealer wants $1300 for the 3rd function at the FEL installed. Does this seam fair or should I do it myself.

Also, it only comes with one set of rear remotes and I would like to add 2 more. I am not paying them $900 for them to put it on. Is there a better place to purchase the kit ?

 

[Torvy]

Many other brands advertise heavy lift capacity, but the tractor weight isn’t commensurate with the advertised lift capacity. What the loader hydraulics can lift seems to be unsafe for the light weight of the machine. My MX will lift just under 2400 pounds, but one ton feels pretty heavy for the machine weight. I wouldn’t want to lift more on that size/weight machine. Yet I see other brands of comparable machine weight advertising a lift capacity of 2700 pounds. There’s hydraulic lift capacity and safe handling capacity. I wouldn’t want to lift more than my MX capacity unless the tractor weighed significantly more. And yes I have filled rear tires and at least 1000 pounds of 3ph ballast when I’m lifting anything heavy with the loader.

That's the thing. Your MX is lighter than my 574 that lifts 2700 pounds. Part of the reason I can lift more is the heavier base tractor and bigger cylinders. No matter what you add for ballast, other brands can add them, too. Just breathe deep and accept that Kubota isn't the best at everything. They have positives, but they are straight up weak at lift.

 

[Torvy]

Looking at buying a 474. My dealer wants $1300 for the 3rd function at the FEL installed. Does this seam fair or should I do it myself.

Also, it only comes with one set of rear remotes and I would like to add 2 more. I am not paying them $900 for them to put it on. Is there a better place to purchase the kit ?

The 3rd function for my 574 was right about $1000. Most of that is the parts.

It came with 2 sets of rears standard. (494 is the same)

 

[jyoutz]

That's the thing. Your MX is lighter than my 574 that lifts 2700 pounds. Part of the reason I can lift more is the heavier base tractor and bigger cylinders. No matter what you add for ballast, other brands can add them, too. Just breathe deep and accept that Kubota isn't the best at everything. They have positives, but they are straight up weak at lift.

Your TYM574 has a bare tractor weight of 3887, my MX6000 has a bare tractor weight of 3734. Both weights without loader or ballast. A difference of 153 pounds? The lift capacity of the TYM574 loader is 2478 pounds, and the MX loader about 2400 pounds. Not a significant difference. I invite you to lift 2478 pounds. The hydraulics can no doubt do this, but the butt pucker would be extreme, especially as you move this weight any distance. 2000 pounds on this weight class machine is all that I feel safe lifting and moving, even though the loader specs say 2400 pounds. Unless you have an iron butt, I don’t think you’ll be lifting and moving 2400 pounds with your 574. I would want a larger frame heavier machine for any lift approaching 2500 pounds. The specs are a marketing ploy more than a practical use measure. The TYM does have a price advantage over a comparable Kubota, no doubt, but capabilities are a wash.

 

[Slowpoke Slim]

Your TYM574 has a bare tractor weight of 3887, my MX6000 has a bare tractor weight of 3734. Both weights without loader or ballast. A difference of 153 pounds? The lift capacity of the TYM574 loader is 2478 pounds, and the MX loader about 2400 pounds. Not a significant difference. I invite you to lift 2478 pounds. The hydraulics can no doubt do this, but the butt pucker would be extreme, especially as you move this weight any distance. 2000 pounds on this weight class machine is all that I feel safe lifting and moving, even though the loader specs say 2400 pounds. Unless you have an iron butt, I don’t think you’ll be lifting and moving 2400 pounds with your 574. I would want a larger frame heavier machine for any lift approaching 2500 pounds. The specs are a marketing ploy more than a practical use measure. The TYM does have a price advantage over a comparable Kubota, no doubt, but capabilities are a wash.

J,

I'm going to ask you a very specific question, that I would like a very specific answer to:

Exactly how much weight are you putting on your 3 point hitch when you are "butt puckering" at your 2000 pound lift?

Yes, it matters. Exactly what form does that 3 pt weight take? Is it a ballast box (and how much weight), is it an attachment of some kind, how heavy is it, and how far back from the 3 pt hitch arms is the center of that weight?

If you're maxing out your lift on your FEL, you should be very close to maxing out your lift on your 3 pt hitch with rear ballast weight FIRST. If you're not, you're doing it wrong.

So are you an "Equipment Operator", or are you a ...

 

[jyoutz]

J,

I'm going to ask you a very specific question, that I would like a very specific answer to:

Exactly how much weight are you putting on your 3 point hitch when you are "butt puckering" at your 2000 pound lift?

Yes, it matters. Exactly what form does that 3 pt weight take? Is it a ballast box (and how much weight), is it an attachment of some kind, how heavy is it, and how far back from the 3 pt hitch arms is the center of that weight?

If you're maxing out your lift on your FEL, you should be very close to maxing out your lift on your 3 pt hitch with rear ballast weight FIRST. If you're not, you're doing it wrong.

So are you an "Equipment Operator", or are you a ...

I have a rear blade that weighs 1025 pounds plus filled tires. Filled tires are about 1000 pounds.

 

[Slowpoke Slim]

I have a rear blade that weighs 1025 pounds plus filled tires. Filled tires are about 1000 pounds.

That is less than half of your rated 3 pt hitch capacity. And it's probably fairly close to the back of your 3 pt, as compared to say a 3 pt brush hog that sticks out 8-10' off the hitch arms.

The reason your butt is "puckering" is because that's not enough counter balance weight for a "max lift" on your specific tractor. Your 3 pt is rated for 2310 lbs. If you're going to max out your FEL lift, for one that is a big lift you need to prepare for, you need 2000 pounds on the back to max out your rear ballast and have true "balance" during that lift.

That rear blade is probably fine most of the time, for any number of random FEL lifts. But when you go for a "max" lift, you need to set up your lift in advance with a max rear weight, not half the rear weight. And yes, that's even with filled rear tires (filled rear tires is a good thing too, but doesn't do as good a job of counterweight, as the rear tires are much closer to the lifting fulcrum, which is the front axle). If you try that, you will see a profound difference in what your "butt" does while you lift it.

This points to exactly what I'm talking about. It is up to the operator to determine these things. Owner's manuals and legal disclaimers can only go so far (remember, they're busy warning you not to drink the contents of the battery). The Korean brands you are disparaging as using "advertising draw"s and "exceeding safety limits" as some kind of stunt, are taking it for granted that the seat operator takes all these things into account before they start performing operations like "max lifts", etc.

 

[Torvy]

Your TYM574 has a bare tractor weight of 3887, my MX6000 has a bare tractor weight of 3734. Both weights without loader or ballast. A difference of 153 pounds? The lift capacity of the TYM574 loader is 2478 pounds, and the MX loader about 2400 pounds. Not a significant difference. I invite you to lift 2478 pounds. The hydraulics can no doubt do this, but the butt pucker would be extreme, especially as you move this weight any distance. 2000 pounds on this weight class machine is all that I feel safe lifting and moving, even though the loader specs say 2400 pounds. Unless you have an iron butt, I don’t think you’ll be lifting and moving 2400 pounds with your 574. I would want a larger frame heavier machine for any lift approaching 2500 pounds. The specs are a marketing ploy more than a practical use measure. The TYM does have a price advantage over a comparable Kubota, no doubt, but capabilities are a wash.

 

[jyoutz]

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That makes for even more butt pucker. 2800 pounds on a bare weight 3887 tractor? Try that and see how stable your tractor feels, even with filled tires and 1000 pounds on 3ph. I’m skeptical that this is a real world practical use. Seems like the hydraulic pressure is turned up to achieve this, but is it safe?