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[Calgaryglenn]

I posted this a few days ago in the Case forum but got no responses so I am reposting here. What is the good, bad and ugly(if any) about the Farmall C series tractors. I am looking for a 50 Hp, hydro transmission and cab. My local dealer is a Case dealer so I am starting there. Other options are Massey Ferguson and Kioti/Bobcat. These dealers are a little farther away. Thanks for any input/opinions.

Hi. I have a Boomer 50, the New Holland version of the same tractor (both case and New Holland are owned by FIAT, and on tractors the only difference is paint) and it has been near perfect for me. I have close to 800 hrs in 6 years. I'm retired and always find something to do with it. Without hesitation, I would buy it again.

 

[Sid Post]

You do get more with AGCO!

A lot more that weekend warriors don't see and don't appreciate until after they BUY a lesser tractor!

 

[Sid Post]

I grew up bleeding GREEN and loved John Deere tractors. About ~20 years ago I got on the Kubota bandwagon when I didn't need >150Hp. The dealership agreements and business model is very independent farmer unfriendly. Anytime lawyers are need to get repair information for your tractor is a bad sign!!!

Immediately before COVID, during COVID, and after COVID, Kubota pricing and availability left me with a very UNFAVORABLE opinion with their 'policies'. I get everyone had supply chain issues and prices were volatile but, my treatment while trying to buy an M5-111 was terrible. To the point I stopped considering new tractors from Kubota.

Massey (AGCO) has been a much better experience. The engineering and features for the various price points is a very compelling offer IMHO. In fact, I bought a MF 5711D tractor recently. There compact and subcompact tractors are priced similarly to Kubota but, IMHO have better engineering and more consistent features among the various models.

I was favorably impressed by the TYM series and their pricing was attractive as well when I looked at the 40hp~50hp models. With a cab, they were priced very well compared to the classic options. For weekend warriors, I see why they and the Kukje/Branson tractors are so popular!

Ultimately, you need to consider brand support as part of the purchase decision. If you can't get service or parts locally, what do you do if your tractor goes down during an important time period and you can't get a replacement part in a timely manner or, get a needed service performed?

This is largely why I WOULD NOT CONSIDER 'store brand' tractors like Summit at Atwoods! It isn't that the Summit is a particularly bad tractor but, one of where do I get service and what about parts?

I really like the Yanmar compact tractors but, the only Yanmar dealer around me is ~250 miles away!!!

 

[masseyrider]

You do get more with AGCO!

MASSEY! MASSEY!

 

[ssgp2]

I recently acquired a 2011CNH Farmall 40 HST with about 1100 hours on it and have been very pleased. I've had to do a few minor repairs, as usual when getting a used tractor, but am impressed with it. Being a "Green" owner/fan for many years, this Farmall has earned our respect. I'm not familiar with the differences of A,B,C models, but having a local dealer for support is a big plus.

 

[Lena]

I posted this a few days ago in the Case forum but got no responses so I am reposting here. What is the good, bad and ugly(if any) about the Farmall C series tractors. I am looking for a 50 Hp, hydro transmission and cab. My local dealer is a Case dealer so I am starting there. Other options are Massey Ferguson and Kioti/Bobcat. These dealers are a little farther away. Thanks for any input/opinions.

There was a farmall c and a super c. If I remember right the c was a pulling tractor while the super c had the the fast hitch hydraulics. Could be wrong it’s been a long time and the old memory is fading

 

[flyingace43]

Had a 45C hydro with a cab and yes it is an LS and was a nice tractor but after I drove a yanmar YT347 with the IHMT tranny the power difference is like night and day. It is like a gear drive but operates like a hydro. Cab is also more user friendly and sold by the same dealer so that made the decision pretty easy.

 

[flyingace43]

I just wanted to pass along some info I received. I reached out to both Case and LS to find out which tractors LS makes for Case. The Case folks could not or would not tell me (they wanted me to reach out to a dealer) but the LS person says that they make larger utility tractors for them, mostly 100 hp and above.

The case 40C,45C and 55C are the same as the LS and new holland and they all use the same motor just turned up to different HP and nice tractors and much less than the Deere but for about the same money you can buy the Yanmar YT347 which is as close to having a deere as you can get but for a much better price point

 

[EddieWalker]

... In fact, I bought a MF 5711D tractor recently. ...

What dealer did you buy from?

 

[Sid Post]

What dealer did you buy from?

Cunningham Equipment Co. - New & Pre-Owned Agricultural Equipment for Sale, Financing, Parts, and Service in Paris, TX, near Grand and Ladonia

Cunningham Equipment Co. in Paris, TX, featuring new and used agricultural equipment, financing, parts, and service near Grand, Cooper, Clarksville, and Ladonia

www.cunninghamequipment.com

They are in Paris, TX and took really good care of me with my purchase. They are going to get all my future big tractor business! They were the best price in the area by a wide margin after visiting dealers up to 250 miles away.

When I replace my Kubota L4600, I am looking at the TYM cabbed tractors. If I don't go that direction, I'll get another Massey from Cunningham!

I will also note that Cunnigham is a small dealership so, you are going to get really personal service from the owner or his son during the purchase. My limited parts counter service needs and questions for the shop were all good experiences too.

 

[Hay Dude]

AGCO for the most part seems more customer oriented than Green or Orange. Was talking to a farmer in North Carolina and he told me the Deere dealers are mostly all one big regional company now. Can’t compare prices anymore. No real “competition” among dealers.

 

[EddieWalker]

Cunningham Equipment Co. - New & Pre-Owned Agricultural Equipment for Sale, Financing, Parts, and Service in Paris, TX, near Grand and Ladonia

Cunningham Equipment Co. in Paris, TX, featuring new and used agricultural equipment, financing, parts, and service near Grand, Cooper, Clarksville, and Ladonia

www.cunninghamequipment.com

They are in Paris, TX and took really good care of me with my purchase. They are going to get all my future big tractor business! They were the best price in the area by a wide margin after visiting dealers up to 250 miles away.

When I replace my Kubota L4600, I am looking at the TYM cabbed tractors. If I don't go that direction, I'll get another Massey from Cunningham!

I will also note that Cunnigham is a small dealership so, you are going to get really personal service from the owner or his son during the purchase. My limited parts counter service needs and questions for the shop were all good experiences too.

They where next on my list. The closest Massey Dealer couldn't bother to show me his 4707 that he had in stock. It was covered in dust and looked abandoned. 3 different friends told me not to buy from them, so I went to the next closest dealer and they didn't have a single tractor in stock, and just a few implements. You had to order it to see it. Third in line was PR, which was an hour away. I debated on going to Cunningham because a client of mine has been buying from them for years and really liked them. But it was a farther drive, and I really liked dealing with Nick, the owner of PR Equipment. Since then, he opened another dealership in Canton that's just half an hour away from me.

 

[Torvy]

The case 40C,45C and 55C are the same as the LS and new holland and they all use the same motor just turned up to different HP and nice tractors and much less than the Deere but for about the same money you can buy the Yanmar YT347 which is as close to having a deere as you can get but for a much better price point

1) the only advantage Deere has is the size of their dealer network and the perception that they are more 'American' that other brands. All else being equal I would buy the Yanmar over the Deere all day long and twice on Sunday.

2) when I was looking, the Yanmar was not priced remotely close to the LS for similar tractors. That and the fact that the only dealer within 2 hour drive had just opened its doors kept me from buying Yanmar.

3) unless the issue is strictly the dealership, you would be better off to buy the LS over the CNH twins that they make. Prices are much better and you can still get parts at the CNH dealership.

I really wanted CaseIH to make a tractor I could love. Nostalgia as a kid growing up around IH. Too many factors made that a no-go.

 

[Torvy]

AGCO for the most part seems more customer oriented than Green or Orange. Was talking to a farmer in North Carolina and he told me the Deere dealers are mostly all one big regional company now. Can’t compare prices anymore. No real “competition” among dealers.

Truth. The JD conglomerate here spans most of North Texas and has upwards of 25 stores. They don't seem to want to give the time of day to anyone but big corporate or government buyers.

 

[Sid Post]

AGCO for the most part seems more customer oriented than Green or Orange. Was talking to a farmer in North Carolina and he told me the Deere dealers are mostly all one big regional company now. Can’t compare prices anymore. No real “competition” among dealers.

Exactly!

John Deere's corporate changes in the dealerships have killed off the family-run dealers.

Right now, half of Texas is essentially one John Deere dealership with its tenacles into Oklahoma as well. Not sure about Louisianna.

Not nearly as bad as Kubota but, Kubota dealerships are merging as well, just not as aggressively as John Deere.

Massey for me these days. I don't require a single family run dealership but, I also don't want to be using a dealership where I am just a number on an Accountant's Ledger!!!

 

[Hay Dude]

It’s too bad Challenger tractors were discontinued. I had a little Challenger about 10 years ago and man that little bugger was sweet. The big ones are even better. They’re just Masseys painted yellow with CAT/Perkins or Mitsubishi diesels in them.
TBN members would have loved them compared to what’s out there now.

 

[Sid Post]

They where next on my list. The closest Massey Dealer couldn't bother to show me his 4707 that he had in stock. It was covered in dust and looked abandoned. 3 different friends told me not to buy from them,

Sounds like "3 Rivers" or something similar. Terrible experience when I stopped in

There was another one that looked like a shade tree lawn mower repair place too! Where they got the Massey signage and all those tiny Massey's is a mystery. I called Massey corporate on that operation!!!

so I went to the next closest dealer and they didn't have a single tractor in stock, and just a few implements. You had to order it to see it.

Probably the same one I called Massey on! I called Massey/Agco for a dealer recommendation and that is where they sent me too! Apparently, the phone group doesn't have a clue about the dealership's annual turnover and is clueless about current inventory!

Third in line was PR, which was an hour away. I debated on going to Cunningham because a client of mine has been buying from them for years and really liked them. But it was a farther drive, and I really liked dealing with Nick, the owner of PR Equipment. Since then, he opened another dealership in Canton that's just half an hour away from me.

I'm not sure if it was PR Equipment or not, but I went to a Massey dealer outside of Athens going SouthWest. The sales guy was really good but, the dealership seemed a bit 'fly by night' with really low inventory and the only big tractor was a customer model in the shop broken apart for some warranty work. In fairness though, they seemed to be affected by COVID supply chain issues, not poor management practices.

I have no issue or reservation recommending Cunningham! Not the biggest dealership with the largest stock but, they had the tractor I wanted in stock but, it sold a few hours before I committed. They found me a nearly identical tractor for a little less money and made me SUPER HAPPY with my purchase.

 

[Sid Post]

It’s too bad Challenger tractors were discontinued. I had a little Challenger about 10 years ago and man that little bugger was sweet. The big ones are even better. They’re just Masseys painted yellow with CAT/Perkins or Mitsubishi diesels in them.
TBN members would have loved them compared to what’s out there now.

Absolutely! Still wish I could have gotten one today. Missed out when I was a Kubota guy.

 

[EddieWalker]

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I'm not sure if it was PR Equipment or not, but I went to a Massey dealer outside of Athens going SouthWest. The sales guy was really good but, the dealership seemed a bit 'fly by night' with really low inventory and the only big tractor was a customer model in the shop broken apart for some warranty work. In fairness though, they seemed to be affected by COVID supply chain issues, not poor management practices.

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The location sounds like PR Equipment in Kerens TX, on Highway 31. You must of been there before Nick built the new showroom and repair shop. It's all brand new, very modern, and well staffed. They also have a service truck that goes to you, and the their repair shop has a massive amount if inventory. I was very impressed. I've been to the shops for New Holland, Case, Cat and Kubota in the Tyler area, and this is on par or bigger then those dealerships.

The thing that impressed me about Nick is his drive to build the best dealership out there. He has won awards from Massey every year, for the last 3 years for being the best in the region. He just turned 40 last week, and he just added Yanmar Construction equipment to his lineup. The yard in Kerens is packed with tractors and implements. The newer dealership in Canton is just off of 20, next to Dukes, and from I've seen as I drive by, there is more inventory there every time. I haven't stopped by there yet, but plan too when I have the time. It's on the way to my other farm in Mabank, but I seem to be in too much of a rush when I go there to stop at the Dealership. I want a second filter for my AC. I'm blowing it out and knocking the dust out when I use it, which seems to work fine, but I think I could do a better job if I had two filters.

The one thing that I wish they had was an online way to order parts like Messicks does.

Since I haven't had any issues yet, I don't know what will happen if I do. He has been very responsive to people on the FB page, so that's encouraging.

 

[ssgp2]

Truth. The JD conglomerate here spans most of North Texas and has upwards of 25 stores. They don't seem to want to give the time of day to anyone but big corporate or government buyers.

Fortunately, my JD dealer, United Ag & Turf is only a mile down the road and they treat me very well. Most folks I know that trade with them seem pleased with the service they get as well.