2016 Nissan Titan

[Scooby074]

Looks like the last generation Ford...

Yup. First thing I said was "That looks like a Ford!" Must be the grille and headlights.

Interesting that they are doing it as a "Heavy Half"

 

[handirifle]

I'd say they went after the Ford Eco Boost, and the Dodge Eco diesel. Sales numbers will tell the story. A lot of folks here really cut down the Dodge Eco Diesel, but their sales numbers tell the real story. I thought it was a good idea for their line. I think it has hit it's market point dead center.

I'm on the fence about this one. Power wise, it will be compared to the HD's and will fall very short. In stock trim, my '06 beats it by 50HP and 100lb ft of torque, and that's not even close to the 2015 numbers, for any brand. That said, someone wanting a 1/2 ton ride, with nearly 3/4 ton tow power, will be jumping on this. After all, the engine IS a Cummins. That alone will sell big numbers.

To me, the telling tales, will be, pricing, and mileage numbers. Folks either want a diesel or don't, and there have been a ton of newer diesel vehicles introduced to the US market, and I think rightly so. I don't think the 12K rating will hurt it as much as DP thinks, because the RV market is flooding with 5th wheels with a GVWR of right around or under 11K, and this gives them plenty of wiggle room.

My '06 HD is rated at 14,200, and my 2015 35ft Open Range 5th wheel has a GVWR of 12,400, (scaled weight was 11,400 with 85 gal of fresh water in the tank) not very much above that rating. As many guys pointed out here, the newer 1/2 tons are probably closer to a stock '06 HD than we realize. That said, with my tuning and improvements, now I am getting right about 400 RWHP and over 700lbft at the wheels, so it isn't close. Tow ratings don't change with HP but ease of towing sure does.

When so many folks are getting into 5th wheels and do not want a bone jarring ride, a 12K rating, good mileage when towing and when empty, are going to be very appealing. It's not a truck for everybody, but that's why they make so many different models.

If it's priced with Ford's Eco Boost, and Dodge's Eco Diesel, I think they will have trouble making enough of them. Both of the other trucks have done well so far, but NEITHER has a Cummins diesel. There's a LOT of pull in that name. If it's priced right, I think it will outsell both of them. I'm gonna guess about 53K loaded.

 

[handirifle]

With all that said, if they didn't beef up the rest of the drive train enough to handle that Cummins, it will be costly to Nissan.

 

[mikehaugen]

Seeing how I was replying to Diamondpilot, who is also the OP, and knowing he is currently driving a Ford, I found it appropriate to make the comparison. It is a conversion between the two of us and doesn't involve you.

If you didn't want others in "your conversion" why would you post in a public forum?

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Hot buttons:

It needs to work awesome with my iPhone 6.
It needs a flat rear floor for my dogs.
Amp Power Boards must be able to be fitted.
It must have a heated steering wheel.
Heated and cooled seats are expected.
Auto headlights, and auto temperature.

The diesel needs seriously cold weather package: fuel warmer plug in and coolant fuel warmer.

Ford's heavy half already has higher specs.

I wonder what Dodge is doing?

 

[Monster5601]

Hot buttons:

It needs to work awesome with my iPhone 6.
It needs a flat rear floor for my dogs.
Amp Power Boards must be able to be fitted.
It must have a heated steering wheel.
Heated and cooled seats are expected.
Auto headlights, and auto temperature.

The diesel needs seriously cold weather package: fuel warmer plug in and coolant fuel warmer.

Ford's heavy half already has higher specs.

I wonder what Dodge is doing?

Current RAMs have all that including the ECOdiesel. And, I will never own another vehicle without the heated steering wheel. Getting old sucks and the arthritis in my finger joins is relieved by the heat.

The Titan has a huge mountain to climb over, likely something it can not do. A new unproven engine, and Aisin transmission that we don't know about yet, no pricing info or payload info yet. Nissan sold just under 13,000 trucks last year, that is about the number of F150s Ford sells each week. Good luck to them.

 

[JJZ 109]

Looks like the last generation Ford...

I'm glad I wasn't the only one to view it that way.

 

[jejeosborne]

If you didn't want others in "your conversion" why would you post in a public forum?

If you look at road hunters post history you would understand my reasoning. Any time someone makes a comparison using Ford, he puts out that exact post. I made the comparison because Diamondpilot had deep knowledge of Ford and would make the same comparison.

 

[JJZ 109]

SSDD. Never fails on truck threads. Nothing can come close to the Ford in their eyes.

Kudos to Nissan for following through on such a neat project.

I see some reasonable comparisons, but nobody slamming Nissan. I don't get the reason for the first lines of the post.

 

[HHR]

With all that said, if they didn't beef up the rest of the drive train enough to handle that Cummins, it will be costly to Nissan.

The drivetrain sounds pretty beefed up to me. 9.75 inch front axle, 13 inch rear. Recirculating ball steering setup etc.

 

[k0ua]

I don't see where"any" diesel car or truck makes any sense unless it's at least a one ton truck with a big job to do.
Gas right now is $2.69 gal.,diesel is $3.69 ;you would have to drive 150,000 miles just to break even on fuel let alone the upcharge for the diesel and maybe double for oil changes.
I can't see where the world needs a 5/8 ton truck.

Oh, wow, you guys are paying a bunch more for fuel up there. Gas here is $1.69 and diesel is $2.42. I do agree, though that unless you need towing power, there is no way you are going to come out ahead price wise on a diesel truck. The new Nissan is a very nice looking truck.

 

[dodge man]

I find it kind of funny DP gets this thread started when he has been bashing diesels the last few months, although he doesn't just come out and say its going to be a great truck.

I'm a little unsure of what fuel prices will do in the future. Will diesel stay high? Probably but if I knew the answers to that questions I'd be a rich man trading commodities.

12,000 lb tow rating limiting the truck? I think my 2004 Dodge 3/4 ton is rated for no more than that. Are they building trucks that much better or are they just rating them higher?

 

[Diamondpilot]

I find it kind of funny DP gets this thread started when he has been bashing diesels the last few months, although he doesn't just come out and say its going to be a great truck. I'm a little unsure of what fuel prices will do in the future. Will diesel stay high? Probably but if I knew the answers to that questions I'd be a rich man trading commodities. 12,000 lb tow rating limiting the truck? I think my 2004 Dodge 3/4 ton is rated for no more than that. Are they building trucks that much better or are they just rating them higher?

I just feel they missed the mark. There are so many trailers rated at 14K out there.

I have said all along if a diesel is needed get one. The problem with the current offerings is they are not enough in the case of the Fiat Ram or too much in the case of the big 3 for 90% of the people 95% of the time. Remember, I have a Diesel F350 but if I could get a truck like this to do what I want I would ditch it ASAP!

12K is the tow rating of the new 2015 F150 Ecoboost. The others gas offerings are right there also. Nissan is not doing enough to differentiate themselves.

Yes, the trucks are that much better. Your 04 Ram and my 06 F350 don't hold a candle to this new stuff. My neighbor just last week got a new F350 SRW diesel. 440hp and 880ft TQ from the factory. It would pull the guts out of your and my trucks combined.

Chris

 

[dodge man]

I've always said power doesn't have a lot to do with towing but more to do with the size of the axles, springs brakes, etc. I just wonder if they made a truck exactly like mine today what it would be rated at.

Right now with the price of diesel, Nissan might have missed the mark with this one. Time will tell.

 

[tcartwri]

I'm still going to go try it....

 

[MinnesotaEric]

I find it kind of funny DP gets this thread started when he has been bashing diesels the last few months, although he doesn't just come out and say its going to be a great truck.

I'm a little unsure of what fuel prices will do in the future. Will diesel stay high? Probably but if I knew the answers to that questions I'd be a rich man trading commodities.

12,000 lb tow rating limiting the truck? I think my 2004 Dodge 3/4 ton is rated for no more than that. Are they building trucks that much better or are they just rating them higher?

They have all gone off the deep end with trucks getting heavier ever year. My 2011 F150 smokes the specs on my first truck, a 1980 F250 with a 400 ci engine that produced 130 hp (they didn't rate hp back then).

 

[Diamondpilot]

I've always said power doesn't have a lot to do with towing but more to do with the size of the axles, springs brakes, etc. I just wonder if they made a truck exactly like mine today what it would be rated at. Right now with the price of diesel, Nissan might have missed the mark with this one. Time will tell.

My guess is it would do just as good as your 04 Ram and my 06 F350. Reason is our trucks did not have to meet the SAE tow rating criteria that has since been adopted. I would bet both of our trucks would get beat towing the max advertised loads vs this Titan or any new truck for that matter towing its max advertised load.

3 generations of trucks separate them and the advances are big.

Chris

 

[dodge man]

When you look at the size of the axle and brakes and such, I'm not sure. There have probably been improvements made that I just don't know about. I guess my question is, are they just bumping up the ratings or are the making major improvements and then bumping up the ratings?

 

[rekees4300]

My question is why doesn't Nissan have more color selections for the Titan? If I'm going to drop $40K on a truck and want a blue one why does it have to be that ugly "Graphite Blue". I want Royal Blue!!!

 

[RedNeckRacin]

I've always said power doesn't have a lot to do with towing but more to do with the size of the axles, springs brakes, etc. I just wonder if they made a truck exactly like mine today what it would be rated at.

Right now with the price of diesel, Nissan might have missed the mark with this one. Time will tell.

I wish more people understood that. I'm sure DP is going to jump all over this, but I'd never want more than 10k behind a half ton. There is alot to be said about the weight of the vehicle doing the towing and not getting pushed around by the trailer/load. Especially when the weight distribution is correct. I used to pull around 18k behind a 1 ton SRW and it was too much weight. I pull the exact same trailer with the exact same load and I can't tell its behind me now! I also get a pretty good kick out of my 275HP International that must not have enough power to scale 40k! Although there is something to be said for 530ci (8.6L) motor.

I think there will be alot of people jumping on board for a heavy half. I think that a lot of people are caught in that spot between a 1/2 ton for driving and a 3/4 for towing once in awhile. I'm more curious about the longevity of the drive train though. If it is rock solid, they may have found their niche!