2210/2305 Rear PTO broke.

[johndeere_2210]

and this wouldnt be considered a warranty issue? if indeed the warranty didnt expire?

This is why I brought up the point of cutting the PTO shaft on the LX4. The solution has been posted since Sept 2005 and if set up by the dealer was incorrect, then I think a case could be made about repair. Again, this is just an observation and have seen this on several occassions.

Conversely, we sold a 2305 to a guy and he didn't want a JD tiller, 647, said it was too much money (can't argue, they are pricy) and purchased one from a different manufacture and never shorten the shaft, lifted it the first time at 3 hours on the meter and drove the PTO shaft into the back housing destroying the transmission, and that was considered completely out of warranty and operator error, plus $5K to fix.

 

[Lobo56]

Was at the dealer picking up a rear light kit for my 2210, and I figured I ask him about this. He said follow me, took me in the back and showed me a back plate off a 2305 that they repaired back in August. The owner put a bolens 48” tiller on, with a pto shaft that was to long. He picked it up cracked the back plate, didn’t know it, after 30 min. of tilling it went. The rear plate and gears looked just like the posted pictures.

 

[johndeere_2210]

Was at the dealer picking up a rear light kit for my 2210, and I figured I ask him about this. He said follow me, took me in the back and showed me a back plate off a 2305 that they repaired back in August. The owner put a bolens 48” tiller on, with a pto shaft that was to long. He picked it up cracked the back plate, didn’t know it, after 30 min. of tilling it went. The rear plate and gears looked just like the posted pictures.

Surely the dealer didn't eat the cost for repair?

 

[Lobo56]

It was a little over $4000 he said couldn't remember exact cost off the top of he's head.

 

[wippster]

If I where yourself I would look into shaft length issue before the next use with that implement. With the implement at shortest shaft length you need to be able to move the shaft 2-3 inches minimum once one side is unbolted.

I try to run minimum 4 inches as light duty tractors have more flex between the implement and 3 point arms which could allow impact.

Myself I don't thing it is possible to shear off a pto gear or bearing on a tractor due the shaft suddenly stopping that what it is engineer to do is rotate that shaft.

I used to have a jd455 22hp with rear 540 pto which was a great little unit I engine stalled that unit well over 50 times with a rear 4ft tiller and bush hog mower. no issues

 

[L3010Ken]

I just helped a buddy tear the back plate of his JD tractor and the photos posted on this topic match his case failure exactly, right down to where the broken piece was resting on top of the shaft.

He has an I-Match system, his brush hog is a JD unit set up by the dealer 3 years ago. He has a clutch (that admittedly looks rusty and is likely seized).

He found a rock on his property that was big enough to instantly stall the engine and he has a bit of mechanic'ing in front of him to fix this deal (along with a significant sucking sound in the vicinity of his hip pocket!). LOL

I fished a magnet around under the ring gear and found several ball bearing balls and bearing race fragments . . . it is ugly.

This is going to be a fix we do in my shop - any words of wisdom offered would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

L3010Ken

1999 Kubota L3010 . . . 600 hours and still going strong!

 

[myersjc]

The best recomendation I have is make sure the slip clutch is lossened and slipped several revolutions after it has been sitting unused for a period of time. When I repaired mine I ordered a new housing instead of trying to repair it since the tractor was not that old, I didn't want to chance not getting the bearing bore correct. The only thing I had trouble with was getting the rear cover, they only had one in all of North America so they had to order it and have it made. Otherwise the disassembly and reassembly was pretty straight forward.

 

[L3010Ken]

My concern is that the bearing cage shattered and sent hardened steel into the base of the casting and who knows how far it went. The owner of the tractor said he felt the tractor jerk a couple of times right after it happened (he drove it about 100 feet before he realized the failure was catastrophic) . . . no doubt this is metal that got into the pinion/ring gear interface or spider gears.

I wonder how much debris got into the hydraulics? The one strainer I found was clean -

His rear cover is ok - just a slight bit of scarring around the outer hole but seal area and bearing area look to be decent.

The idler gear / shaft is toast
The PTO main gear is toast
Should replace all 4 bearings and outer seal
New gaskets
Main housing casting is also toast (quoted ~$1500 for this alone)

If I can devise a way to mount a steel bearing carrier inside this thing I might give that a whirl. There is room just behind where the bearings are seated in the casting to add two additional bearings that can be captured by a steel plate - but anchoring the plate will be a challenge. The casting is very light weight with thin sections.

How many hours do you think you had into it total?

 

[L3010Ken]

After reviewing this with the JD Dealer they said "bring the assembly in complete and we will fix it under warranty" . . . wow!

 

[myersjc]

WOW! I wish my dealer had covered it under warranty. I had probably three full days in swapping the housings. Most of that was because it was the first time having ever opened up a hydro tranny. If I had to do it again I imagine it would be less than a day.