$89,000 for a new diesel pickup, how is it going to pay for it's self ?

[HHR]

Luxury - a material object, service, etc., conducive to sumptuous living, usually a delicacy, elegance, or refinement of living rather than a necessity. Luxury vs. necessity.... depends who you ask..... if someone has a high tolerance for heat, they may consider AC in a vehicle to be a luxury. Most people consider AC a necessity today, even in many parts of Canada. From a business standpoint, what makes sense is paying for higher functionality - to your point about making One More Call, that day. Anyone who has driven a lot (even recreationally) understands the value of a really good driver's seat. Paying for better seating ergonomics (or even something like Bose's) has various benefits to the business. Do ergonomic seats need to be covered in tooled leather ? Do you need to have the latest Schnitzergruber 9000 Auto-Sync interface on the Infotainment system ? Depends who you talk to, as to where they draw the Bling line, vs. functional improvement. Rgds, D.

These days, having air conditioning and cruise control is pretty important for resale reasons alone. Seat comfort and adjustability are my primary concern when buying a truck I'll be driving for more than 5K miles per year. Power windows & locks are nice, but just another thing to fail down the line.

 

[bcp]

It is really hard to get a basic truck interior like you could in 1927.





Bruce

 

[ultrarunner]

Depends on what one is accustomed to.

Can't miss something you never had.

One of the Docs I work with just bought a ranch... his daily driver is a Ferrari.

Decided he needed a truck and went out and bought a fully loaded 4wd one ton dually Dodge Diesel that was pushing 70k purchase price and he likes it...

I know it helped the local economy in OR where his ranch is located.

He also has several pristine Stihl saws... had a tree guy doing some work and they did not know this guy is a Doctor... they were in awe of his saws..

Some people have money and don't mind spending it.

 

[john_bud]

It works well for the border States, as many Canadians supply foreign aid (aka cross-border shopping).

I've made more than one trip myself for auto parts, as often the exact same part is half price down your way (n.b. - I'm talking about regular retail pricing, not a USA Sale price). That's doubly ironic, as many of those parts are often made in the province that I live in.

But yes, it's pretty ridiculous up here - even with our dollar at par, often high end vehicles are $10,000 more, taxes are high, and unless you are dumping a vehicle off-lease, once you need to repair something, parts prices are ridiculous.

Can't imagine why fewer young people are driving these days.....

Whine Off

Rgds, D.

As others stated, single payer health care system is the cost adder.

The price of everything will likely go up here too and not just trucks!


By the way my truck is a 2003 and just started shedding metal with every slam of the tailgate. Wonderful wi salty roads

 

[ultrarunner]

It is really hard to get a basic truck interior like you could in 1927.

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Bruce

I guess the closest is the WT series from Chevrolet.

Look at one last week... rubber mats, no radio, no power windows... it did have A/C and Automatic.

For a while I drove an F100 that was 3 on tree, no power steering, power brakes, A/C or radio....

 

[JDgreen227]

I guess the closest is the WT series from Chevrolet.

Look at one last week... rubber mats, no radio, no power windows... it did have A/C and Automatic.

For a while I drove an F100 that was 3 on tree, no power steering, power brakes, A/C or radio....

My dad purchased a '77 F-100 with the straight 6, three on the tree, a radio and step bumper, and the floor was a rubber mat. It wasn't fancy but it did what it was purchased to do and it was cheap and gave decent gas mileage. But tell me...how many of us would actually BUY such a basic truck if it was even available?

 

[ultrarunner]

Well... judging from the parking lot at work... not many.

Matters not if it's a Honda, Land-rover or F150... they all come pretty much loaded these days.

The only new car I ever bought I ordered because I didn't want to pay a bunch extra for Home Link and the Winter Package plus Leather and loaded as the Dealer's say is how they come.

It would be nice to have A/C in my trucks... there are times when it would be nice... then again... it's not all that effective on a service van because of sheer volume.

My little jeep as pretty much bare bones... don't think it has a single extra... I did add a radio and hitch.

Even though it's bare bones I really enjoy driving it around...

One of the receptionists just bought a F150... I think it's the platinum edition with retracting running boards, premium interior, wheels and tires... I know it set them back a bundle... she said she has very low interest for 72 months and that is why they decided to go all out.

 

[fordmantpw]

Well... judging from the parking lot at work... not many.

Matters not if it's a Honda, Land-rover or F150... they all come pretty much loaded these days.

The only new car I ever bought I ordered because I didn't want to pay a bunch extra for Home Link and the Winter Package plus Leather and loaded as the Dealer's say is how they come.

It would be nice to have A/C in my trucks... there are times when it would be nice... then again... it's not all that effective on a service van because of sheer volume.

My little jeep as pretty much bare bones... don't think it has a single extra... I did add a radio and hitch.

Even though it's bare bones I really enjoy driving it around...

One of the receptionists just bought a F150... I think it's the platinum edition with retracting running boards, premium interior, wheels and tires... I know it set them back a bundle... she said she has very low interest for 72 months and that is why they decided to go all out.

If they can afford it, more power to 'em!

My wife and I both drive vehicles with leather, and somewhat loaded. Our first vehicles were fairly bare-bones, but we have moved up. If you want the nice things in life and can afford it, then why not? It's the buyer's money, let them get what they want!

Now, if they can't afford it, that's a whole 'nother discussion all together.

 

[ultrarunner]

Maybe 10 years ago there were several with big SUV's and then gas prices spiked...

About half just stopped paying and had them repossessed.

Grandmother always said if you don't have the cash in hand... you cannot afford it.

Remembering this has saved me a couple of times!

 

[JDgreen227]

If they can afford it, more power to 'em!

My wife and I both drive vehicles with leather, and somewhat loaded. Our first vehicles were fairly bare-bones, but we have moved up. If you want the nice things in life and can afford it, then why not? It's the buyer's money, let them get what they want!

Now, if they can't afford it, that's a whole 'nother discussion all together.

And if we think about it, when we buy something with all the bells and whistles don't we justify it by saying: "It will have better resale value with all this crap, and the 4wd, and the digital dash, and the (fill in the blank).....yes, you know who I am talking about. People like ME.

 

[fordmantpw]

Maybe 10 years ago there were several with big SUV's and then gas prices spiked...

About half just stopped paying and had them repossessed.

Grandmother always said if you don't have the cash in hand... you cannot afford it.

Remembering this has saved me a couple of times!

You know what got me, is the number of people trading in big SUV's on smaller cars to 'save money.' Had they put the pencil to the paper, they would have realized that they were losing money on trade-in value to save money at the pump, not to mention the higher payments they were taking on.

As far as paying cash, on our last couple car purchases, I have actually taken the trade-in money in cash and put it in our ROTH IRA and took out the full loan for the car. The stock market was low, it was a good time to buy, and I was earning 3.5%+ in dividends (not counting the increasing stock value) vs. the 2% interest on the car loan. With that said, though, I HATE having loans so I paid them off as quick as we could.

 

[fordmantpw]

And if we think about it, when we buy something with all the bells and whistles don't we justify it by saying: "It will have better resale value with all this crap, and the 4wd, and the digital dash, and the (fill in the blank).....yes, you know who I am talking about. People like ME.

Funny you mention that. When I bought my '05 F150, the salesman tried to sell me a truck with a power seat. I said I didn't need it.

'But you will get your money back in resale!'
So, the option is $450, and you are telling me I will get all of that back at resale?
'Well, not all of it, but some of it.'
I tell you what, sell me that truck for the additional resale value that I can expect, which is about $50 according to NADA, and you've got a deal!
'Umm, sorry, we can't do that sir.'
OK, then, goodbye.



Oh, and I don't justify my purchases like that. I just say "that's the way I wanted it!"

 

[redprospector]

This is my thoughts on the mater.

http://youtu.be/wU-YMmUGrJ0

 

[aczlan]

My wife and I both drive vehicles with leather, and somewhat loaded. Our first vehicles were fairly bare-bones, but we have moved up. If you want the nice things in life and can afford it, then why not? It's the buyer's money, let them get what they want!

My wife and I both have vehicles that were purchased (used, paid cash) with leather seats.
Why?
Leather seats clean up easier, they are more comfortable, there is no real difference in price when we will be selling them, but they might help a buyer who is on the fence decide to buy it.

Aaron Z

 

[Scooby074]

Ouch! That's ludicrous!

Yup it hurts the pocketbook a bit.

You know the taxes themselves arent that bad, at least its going back into government coffers for roads, medical etc. The thing that ticks me off is like Dave said, we pay $10000 more for the exact same vehicle, one thats made in Canada! That aint right! I think it was the CEO of GM at the time who justified the higher Canadian price by saying we're a "preferred market".

In other words GM PREFERS to charge us through the A.

Its not just GM, but right across the board, from stereos to cheese. Thats part of the reason Target is failing massively since they came up here last year. People were looking forward for their arrival thinking they were going to undercut Canadian retailers and Walmart by selling at the prices people were used to when they went to Target in the US. Turned out they just offered the same stuff at the same price as everybody else. Shoppers are staying away in droves.

 

[redprospector]

For a crew truck I agree. But but for an owner/operator or somebody like me, that can spend more time driving than working on many days, creature comforts become more important. If I'm beat up from driving all day and I get that late afternoon call, I may not go do it because I don't want to get back in the truck. Obviously those things need to be weighed out. The truck I'm about to order, I made it very clear to the salesman my comfort is a priority. Clearly the amenities in the type of truck I'm getting doesn't rival a luxury SUV or pick-up, but they still add up.

Brian

Hahaha. Being an owner/operator has changed a lot since I quit the business. :laughing:
My last truck was a 1973 Kenworth W-900. For luxury/creature comfort items it had an a/c, and a 36" wide sleeper. I installed an 8 trac tape player, and an air ride seat. The seat being the most important. This truck didn't even have power steering, you didn't need it when it was going down the road and that's where it made money. Slow moving turns, and backing in was tough, but that was just daily exercise. I have spent as much as 6 weeks at a time in that old KW, and never once thought about not getting back in it...until I got completely out of it. They must pay you guy's better than they did us, back in the old day's. :laughing:

 

[3930dave]

My wife and I both have vehicles that were purchased (used, paid cash) with leather seats.
Why?
Leather seats clean up easier, they are more comfortable, there is no real difference in price when we will be selling them, but they might help a buyer who is on the fence decide to buy it.

Aaron Z

Used is a bit of a different story. Trucks may hold up a bit better, but from what I've seen, anywhere near a major market, used luxury cars are a dime a dozen. Bling factor wears off quick, and many people don't want to own a loaded-up luxury vehicle much past the warranty - too much to go wrong.

I know a guy who recently picked up a 10 y/o Audi A6 - great exterior, mint interior, 130k km for a little over $3,000 Canadian - about what the two sets of mint condition OE Audi rims that came with it cost. In used cars, you can get leather at essentially no cost, if you are willing to look for a bit....

On new, many dealers play the game that UR referenced "they all come that way", just to bump up the deal....

Rgds, D.

 

[ultrarunner]

I've had mine 12 years and the interior is as new... all the similar ones with leather started to show wear at about year 4...

2002 BMW 325iT with black Naugahyde interior... funny thing is everyone thinks it's leather... even when it was brand new and I was driving it in Germany.

Definitely right on few keeping high end cars past the warranty... no one I work with has kept a 12 cylinder BMW or Mercedes past the warranty and that goes for the Alpina b7, Cadillac STS and Porsche... most of the Docs simply lease.

 

[npalen]

circa 2024---Remember back in 2014 when you could buy a brand new dually for $90K? Can't find a decent used one for that nowadays.

 

[JDgreen227]

You know what got me, is the number of people trading in big SUV's on smaller cars to 'save money.' Had they put the pencil to the paper, they would have realized that they were losing money on trade-in value to save money at the pump, not to mention the higher payments they were taking on.

As far as paying cash, on our last couple car purchases, I have actually taken the trade-in money in cash and put it in our ROTH IRA and took out the full loan for the car. The stock market was low, it was a good time to buy, and I was earning 3.5%+ in dividends (not counting the increasing stock value) vs. the 2% interest on the car loan. With that said, though, I HATE having loans so I paid them off as quick as we could.[


What you say reminds me of what my dad did back in '74, he had just purchased a full size boat (Ford LTD with a 400 engine) and he was worried that they would begin gas rationing so after he had about 4,000 miles on the LTD he traded it in on a Maverick, taking a huge hit on the trade in AND paying near full sticker on the Maverick. And he hated the Maverick, he told me in later years it was one of the dumbest things he ever did.