a tractor can break in half?

[SPIKER]

Higgy:

that one almost looks like it is an articulating unit only on it;s side! lol.

anyohw I've heard of them breaking too, usually abuse related is what everyone says, bbut who really knows.

almost all the CUTs are engine/trans become the frame like others have said.


If you want to ckeck into the china brands of tractors, since you are buying NEW, you can get lots of additional goodies with the savings. I've got a JINMA284 TLB with several 3pt items and have less than 12K into them. THe hoe is a sub frame mount type and takes about 15 min to install, but about 8 to remove. it takes a few min longer to install cause it is hard to line up the pins. I have lots of fun wiht it though. dug lots of holes and a long trench for elec, water ect to the new barn. and been using the FEL and box blade to clean out gravel form the creek and then dump into the base of the barn for fill. It needs about 12 more inches up front corner. so I have lots more digging to do! biggest problem is getting into and out of the creek and having the dump trailer close enough to fill up with each loader pass, and then having to RE-HOOK up the trailer to tow back to the barn. I'm getting LOTS of BIG flat rocks too for walk ways later on. though I usually try to take it easy on my import tractor I did buy it to WORK it. and it is very HEAVY, so getting into a wet creek is hard I can only got in/out 3 or 4 times and the ground gets to soft and it gets squisshy! hehehe. anyhow have fun and get tractoring!

Mark M /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

 

[spencer200]

I cant comment much on the brands we don't sell. I can tell you that the warranty on a New Holland tractor is void unless you put an approved backhoe attachment on it. The only approved backhoe attachment that the engineering department has approved is a New Holland on New Holland tractors. We just put one back together this month that split in two piece it had a New Holland backhoe on it and was fully covered by warranty. Over $5000.00 in damage. Anyone considering a backhoe should take this into consideration when the dealer tries to sell you something for a tractor that is not the same brand as the tractor. When it comes to a backhoe that is. Most of the manufacturers only have certain ones that they approve for use on there tractors. This should be a point of discussion with your dealer when buying a tractor.

 

[spencer200]

The best thing you can do to prevent any damage like this is to keep track of all the mounting hardware on the loader and backhoe. KEEP IT TIGHT! I also have seen some broken from just the loader. The cause of this was the mounting system the holes where so worn that it would not stay tight which caused a lot of play and broke the housings. I have also seen one break from the use of a 3pt winch the operator let the winch retract to far pulling his front end off the ground. When he finnally released the winch the front of the tractor crashed back to the ground causing the tractor to split in two.

 

[normde2001]

I don't really believe farm tractors were ever designed or engineered to accept the added stress of backhoes or front end loaders. I can recall the times before these implements were ever used on farm tractors and the tractors are still being built the same way, (no frame).

 

[Youare]

I was worried about the added stress a winch puts on a tractor when I put my winch on my Kubota from the old Ford 8N which is a lot beefer tractor.

Most tractor manufacturers make a heavy duty top link bracket when a BH is to be installed. The top link has a lot of pull stress with both a BH and a winch. Most other applications the stress on the top link is a pushing one except when pushing backwards with a read blade.

I believe the 3PH was intended to be a pulling device not a pushing one. As long as you use your head and do not lift wheels off the ground when using a tractor I bet they will not break. Checking bolt tightness every once in a while should help also.

Randy

 

[MossRoad]

Poor fella. Look at the difference in his facial expressions before and after the repairs. Man, that can stress you out. Glad you got it reparied. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[art]

I don't really believe farm tractors were ever designed or engineered to accept the added stress of backhoes or front end loaders. I can recall the times before these implements were ever used on farm tractors and the tractors are still being built the same way, (no frame).

Back in the sixties we used to order a farm tractor in with a forward reverser, yes it was a manual clutch, no hydraulic at the time and through Wagner and Pippen we would install full frames and front hydraulic pumps to drive the loader backhoe units. That was before the manufacturers started to build them themselves off a farm based tractor.

All of the newer design tractors are with frames. They have found it more economical to build a structurally stronger tractor chassis and they are building the components to fit the chassis frame. These tractors are easier to work on and take less time to rebuild and in the economics of things the components are used in different industries. This type of design is fast replacing the expensive castings of years gone by for the transmissions and engines and rear ends in the ag industry and the newer designed compacts are also using it. It should help to end this problem of broken tractor chassis from TLB work other then from abuse if the attachments are "properly" rated for the tractor.

 

[Turbys_1700]

I've been wanting to purchase a back hoe for my little 1720 but after hearing all these horror stories I just don't know if it could handle the additional stresses a back hoe brings. I would think that with a properly engineered frame mounted backhoe this would be a non issue if the operator did not abuse the equipment.

Has anyone on hear ever hear of a CUT using a Woods or Bush Hog frame mounted back hoe breaking a frame? Those are the two brands that I am considering.

 

[bjr]

When I bought my JM-354 Jinma about 4 yrs ago. People were shocked that I wouldn't even consider a FEL or a backhoe. Even back then I could see the breaking up of the tractor and I knew I wouldn't be able to pay for the major repair had that happened to me. I've suffered from time to time not having the convineince of the FEL and had to hire a backhoe to come in and do work for me. Having said all that I still feel I've saved money and felt a lot of relief not having to worry about some kind of major breaking of the tractor. I really feel for the individual that put up $$$$ for nice tractor and FEL only to loose the whole thing becuase of a insurmountalble repair bill. bjr

 

[D7E]

I've seen many bigger tractors broke at the bell-housing(120-150 hp),Not abuse but heavy work like fully mounted 6-7 bottom rollover ploughs and carrying over a ton in weights on the front to compensate , We broke a 150 hp MF with push-pull rollover ploughs , 5 furrow on the back and 3 furrow on the front .
Thinking about it most of them were MF's and a few JD's.