Another "What Size" thread by a clueless newbie....

[IslandTractor]

Definitely no cab on that deal.

Agreed on it being a good tractor that would meet my needs.

Right off the top of my head, I do know there is a DK45SE with cab for $14,500 reasonably nearby me. Turf tires.

Boom.

2006 Kioti DK45S 4x4 Compact Tractor

However, no FEL, no implements.

That is a DK45S not DK45SE. Different generation tractor. The DK45S is also a very nice tractor though but is a previous generation DK. The new series came out in 2007. I think the DKs was still made for a while but then dropped. It was slightly larger as I recall but not enough to make a difference so the overlap could not be justified.

 

[Shawn B]

You aren't plowing or into crop cultivation or doing major ground engaging work. Sounds like you are mostly planning FEL work and other tasks that turf tires would be fine for. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss this tractor. I would imagine the tires would likely be no issue at all especially as you have 4wd. The flip side of the turf tire issue is that it tells you the tractor was probably pretty lightly used mostly for mowing. Not a bad thing. Consider too that the implements are all pretty nice and would cost you well over $3K. Seems they would be needed for the tasks you outlined too.

OK, that explains what you meant by "ground engaging work".

My ignorance knows no bounds. :laughing:

Alright, so maybe I should grab a tractor-savvy friend and make a road-trip(?)....



Just checked with a local country-boy who knows this specific area.

IslandTractor, he agrees with you, almost word for word. :thumbsup:


I'm gonna give the guy a call.

THANKS!

 

[Xfaxman]

Been searching on Craigslist like a fool. Twice a day. Everything within a state or two of me.
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Thanks for any input or advice,-------

Hope you are using SearchTempest Online Classifieds Search - All the Classifieds. One Search. , saves a lot of time!

 

[Shawn B]

Hope you are using SearchTempest Online Classifieds Search - All the Classifieds. One Search. , saves a lot of time!

Well, uh....no. I wasn't.

Thank you sir.


IslandTractor, after discussing it further with my wifey. I *think* I would like turf tires even better than the other options.

I hate the ruts left in my pastures by my Hay-Baler Dude. I've got some low spots (to fill when I have a tractor) that got really rutted (to smooth out when I have a tractor), and I hate the ruts. Nor do I want any sort of huge ruts going from my hay-bales to my cow-pastures. I'd prefer to treat my turf a bit better if possible.

Well, I just shot an e-mail to the address as provided.

You guys rock. Seriously.

 

[IslandTractor]

Well, uh....no. I wasn't.

Thank you sir.

IslandTractor, after discussing it further with my wifey. I *think* I would like turf tires even better than the other options.

I hate the ruts left in my pastures by my Hay-Baler Dude. I've got some low spots (to fill when I have a tractor) that got really rutted (to smooth out when I have a tractor), and I hate the ruts. Nor do I want any sort of huge ruts going from my hay-bales to my cow-pastures. I'd prefer to treat my turf a bit better if possible.

Well, I just shot an e-mail to the address as provided.

You guys rock. Seriously.

The only issue other than traction I can see as a potential negative for turf tires is that they trade off "toughness" for the gentle flexibility. They will be less resistant to puncture in the woods for example than R4 tires or even Ags. Still, I would just be careful and understand that there are lots of compromises with tractor equipment and there are also lots of workarounds if you make good use of the implement that sits on your shoulders.

 

[Guesseral]

I was just wondering, you do have to change the wheels (rims) to go to R1 tires but do you have to change them to go to R4 industrials? I didn't think you needed to change between turf and R4, that could be a possibility.

 

[IslandTractor]

I was just wondering, you do have to change the wheels (rims) to go to R1 tires but do you have to change them to go to R4 industrials? I didn't think you needed to change between turf and R4, that could be a possibility.

I don't know either but R4s are a great all purpose choice if you are not primarily either plowing or mowing nice lawns. They overlap both turf and Ag tractor functions. I think you need a true Ag application to justify choosing Ag tires over R4s for a 4wd tractor.

 

[ksJoe]

Hope you are using SearchTempest Online Classifieds Search - All the Classifieds. One Search. , saves a lot of time!

Last I looked, searchtemest won't email you results. noticraig.com will email search results as soon as they pop up.

 

[mhineman]

I have a 40 hp 4WD Foton tractor. Granted it is not one of the "brand names" you are looking for but it has served me well. Just take the size and capabilities from this post. The tractor weighs about 4000 pounds. I have a Koyker 160 loader and I think it weighs about 1000 - 1200 pounds.

I make hay on about 40 acres of fields from 2 to 8 acres in size and some are very rough ground. With the 4WD in place I have no problems. I intentionally got a "small round bale" baler. It makes a 4 foot by 5 foot bale that weigh about half as much as a 5 by 6 foot bale. As you mentioned you can have the bales made a little smaller in diameter to reduce the weight. A friend has the larger bales and I moved his alfalfa bales that weighed close to 1500 pounds, but I didn't like it a lot. I have several 3PH attachments that weigh at least 600 pounds that are hooked up when moving large bales or I put the 3PH bale spear and use a bale as a counterweight.

I got this tractor in early 2008 and currently have a little over 2000 hours on it. I've only had typical repairs for that many hours (front bearings that were very overloaded, broken hydraulic lines), but there are no dealers for this make tractor anywhere close to me. I've always been able to figure out just about any repair I needed to do.

For mowing the pasture I'd recommend a bushhog be as wide as the wheel width or more. Keep in mind the direction the bushhog blades spin. You want the blades coming backward on the side near the previously mowed part to have the best chance on "lifting" the stems pushed over by the tractor wheels. An older sickle bar mower does a great job of clipping what the cows don't eat too.

It sounds like in the winter when you are moving bales to your cows the ground can be wet and/or soft. The Ag tires will be much better than turf tires then as the turf tires would be more likely to spin and tear up your pasture. Whenever I'm moving hay or logs and the ground is soft or wet I make sure to be in 4WD.

You mentioned trees up to 36 inches in diameter and you needed lumber for a corral. Depending on the tree species you should consider having some one with a portable sawmill come out to your place. I have a portable sawmill, but I'm a little too far away. BTW, I also do logging with my tractor. I have a skidding winch that mounts on the 3PH.

 

[Shawn B]

MHineman, thanks for the input. Interesting idea on the portable lumber mill.



Well, I still have not had a return e-mail from the Craigslist guy on the New Holland. Sent him two now from my end. It looks and feels like Fall outside. My buying window is closing fast. Moving on....



I did find a 2004 Kioti DK45, 4wd, 45 hp, 38 pto hp, 429 hours, 3800-3900 pound tractor. Comes with a KL1470 FEL (quick attach I do believe) and a canopy. Looks really clean.

$13,500.00

I signed up for and looked it up on The Official Tractor Blue Book ($99.00 ouch) and it gave a low-retail of $11,201 and a high-retail of $13,034. That pricing with no FEL nor a canopy. I would also have to factor in additional amount for condition of "Very Good (Add 5-10%): Well above average - low hours. Clean, properly maintained. No mechanical or cosmetic repairs needed. Maintenance schedule strictly adhered to. Equipped with extra cost options. Type of equipment in demand." All of which is applicable.

With that in mind, $13,500 seems very reasonable to me.

I already sent the specs/info/serial number to my banker. Going to see the tractor tomorrow, hour and a half from here. Bringing a dualie and 10,000 pound low-boy (?) trailer. If the tractor checks out, and I am bringing a friend of mine to test, inspect and drive it, I'll get my bank to wire-transfer funds, and be done with my tractor-search.

I really appreciate you guys pointing me in the right direction on my size/work requirements. It has made my search much more informed and made me confident in my "required specifications."

I hope this Kioti works out. Got about 3-4 weeks or so, and I'm gonna have to be moving bales.

 

[Xfaxman]

Last I looked, searchtemest won't email you results. noticraig.com will email search results as soon as they pop up.

Thanks, I'll try it. :thumbsup:

 

[GManBart]

I did find a 2004 Kioti DK45, 4wd, 45 hp, 38 pto hp, 429 hours, 3800-3900 pound tractor. Comes with a KL1470 FEL (quick attach I do believe) and a canopy. Looks really clean.

$13,500.00

I signed up for and looked it up on The Official Tractor Blue Book ($99.00 ouch) and it gave a low-retail of $11,201 and a high-retail of $13,034. That pricing with no FEL nor a canopy. I would also have to factor in additional amount for condition of "Very Good (Add 5-10%): Well above average - low hours. Clean, properly maintained. No mechanical or cosmetic repairs needed. Maintenance schedule strictly adhered to. Equipped with extra cost options. Type of equipment in demand." All of which is applicable.

With that in mind, $13,500 seems very reasonable to me.

I already sent the specs/info/serial number to my banker. Going to see the tractor tomorrow, hour and a half from here. Bringing a dualie and 10,000 pound low-boy (?) trailer. If the tractor checks out, and I am bringing a friend of mine to test, inspect and drive it, I'll get my bank to wire-transfer funds, and be done with my tractor-search.

I really appreciate you guys pointing me in the right direction on my size/work requirements. It has made my search much more informed and made me confident in my "required specifications."

I hope this Kioti works out. Got about 3-4 weeks or so, and I'm gonna have to be moving bales.

A similar current model would cost you roughly $10K more. Seems like a good deal.

 

[foreman Etexas]

MHineman, thanks for the input. Interesting idea on the portable lumber mill.



Well, I still have not had a return e-mail from the Craigslist guy on the New Holland. Sent him two now from my end. It looks and feels like Fall outside. My buying window is closing fast. Moving on....



I did find a 2004 Kioti DK45, 4wd, 45 hp, 38 pto hp, 429 hours, 3800-3900 pound tractor. Comes with a KL1470 FEL (quick attach I do believe) and a canopy. Looks really clean.

$13,500.00

I signed up for and looked it up on The Official Tractor Blue Book ($99.00 ouch) and it gave a low-retail of $11,201 and a high-retail of $13,034. That pricing with no FEL nor a canopy. I would also have to factor in additional amount for condition of "Very Good (Add 5-10%): Well above average - low hours. Clean, properly maintained. No mechanical or cosmetic repairs needed. Maintenance schedule strictly adhered to. Equipped with extra cost options. Type of equipment in demand." All of which is applicable.

With that in mind, $13,500 seems very reasonable to me.

I already sent the specs/info/serial number to my banker. Going to see the tractor tomorrow, hour and a half from here. Bringing a dualie and 10,000 pound low-boy (?) trailer. If the tractor checks out, and I am bringing a friend of mine to test, inspect and drive it, I'll get my bank to wire-transfer funds, and be done with my tractor-search.

I really appreciate you guys pointing me in the right direction on my size/work requirements. It has made my search much more informed and made me confident in my "required specifications."

I hope this Kioti works out. Got about 3-4 weeks or so, and I'm gonna have to be moving bales.

You going to Noonday?

 

[Shawn B]

GManBart - Exactly my thoughts. If it was properly maintained, that pre-owned tractor is just barely broken-in. 10K is a a significant chunk of change saved. I've got tons of other stuff to spend that money on.

foreman ETexas - J&K Sales in Flint, TX. Just south of Tyler. Spotted this tractor on TractorHouse dot com.


I've been on Craigslist every day for a couple months, and twice a day since I started this thread. The only thing in this Craigslist-area that has qualified so far has been that New Holland, and that was waaaaay further away. It would almost take an overnight stay to get down there and back.

Gonna have to take two (2) trips to get this tractor, but I'm only about 90 miles away. One to go down, check it out, and cut the deal with the dealer. Dealer invoices the Bank, I go by and sign paperwork, then the Bank wires the funds. Then I go pick up the tractor. The only way they'll do it.

I'm taking an old country-boy friend of mine to test-drive and inspect it. When I asked if he could drive a tractor, he laughed and put it "I've done worn out some tractors Shawn."

Leaving at 9am. I'll update tomorrow night.

Hopefully with a deal in the works.

 

[foreman Etexas]

Yeah that's noonday tractor,if that doesn't work out they have several more that should.

 

[Coyote machine]

I'm late to this game, but would like to add that if you can get R4s I would any day over the turfs. Kioti's in the 40 HP minimum class would get everything done for your task list and more. See my avatar. signature and other details at the bottom of this post. I work 25 acres in VT with 2 large ponds, horses, goats, a steer, chickens, ducks, dogs, woods, swampy land and TONS of rocks/boulders- hey- it's New England!:shocked:
I would look carefully at the model- I think the Kioti you 'missed' was the ds series and it is NOT the same as the DK, it's sort of a cross between the CK and DK series, if I'm not mistaken. There is an RX series too, and it is newer than the DKs, and bigger than them, from the one I saw a while back.
I'd consider using a wire type electric fence instead of going with barbed wire- if possible. Way less effort than endless post holes and some styles can be 4' high or more if needed. A neighbor has a very high fence for his Llamas. You can use solar powered if too far from electric source.
You've got a lifetime of work ahead of you from the sounds of it- so I would also suggest a new tractor for your needs. Peace of mind with a warranty, and if for some reason you do decide to trade or sell and buy another tractor- leave this possibility open in the thinking process, then you have something you've owned/maintained since new, plus service records to show a buyer. Forget about the trailer and just focus on the tractor. The trailer is a separate issue and should not determine what tractor you need/get.:2cents:

 

[Shawn B]

Yeah that's noonday tractor,if that doesn't work out they have several more that should.

When I got there, I was thinking "the foreman-dude on-line was right."

Done deal.

Picked up the DK45 w/FEL and the 3-prong hay-fork for both the front and rear. The front is definitely a quick-attach system for the implements.

It was not a barn, nor probably even a lean-to, kept tractor. It looks like a nine-year old tractor. However, the hours are stupid-low, engine bay clean, fired up, and I drove it around the lot, played with the joystick for the loader. Felt like a lot of power. Beastly machine.

I gotta throw down 15% for the bank to carry my note, sign some paperwork, and done deal. The bank will wire the money to Noonday.

I'm late to this game, but would like to add that if you can get R4s I would any day over the turfs. Kioti's in the 40 HP minimum class would get everything done for your task list and more. See my avatar. signature and other details at the bottom of this post. I work 25 acres in VT with 2 large ponds, horses, goats, a steer, chickens, ducks, dogs, woods, swampy land and TONS of rocks/boulders- hey- it's New England!:shocked:
I would look carefully at the model- I think the Kioti you 'missed' was the ds series and it is NOT the same as the DK, it's sort of a cross between the CK and DK series, if I'm not mistaken. There is an RX series too, and it is newer than the DKs, and bigger than them, from the one I saw a while back.
I'd consider using a wire type electric fence instead of going with barbed wire- if possible. Way less effort than endless post holes and some styles can be 4' high or more if needed. A neighbor has a very high fence for his Llamas. You can use solar powered if too far from electric source.
You've got a lifetime of work ahead of you from the sounds of it- so I would also suggest a new tractor for your needs. Peace of mind with a warranty, and if for some reason you do decide to trade or sell and buy another tractor- leave this possibility open in the thinking process, then you have something you've owned/maintained since new, plus service records to show a buyer. Forget about the trailer and just focus on the tractor. The trailer is a separate issue and should not determine what tractor you need/get.:2cents:

This machine is on R4's, the ones in between the turf tires and the AG tires.

You input is appreciated, and a new tractor would have been terrific. However, I just could not justify the extra cost of brand-new, with our current budget considerations for the overall farm. I've got a bazillion things to do and too many things to spend money upon.

I'll consider the electric fencing as an option. Maybe I'll try it on a section and see how I like it.

The trailer is now a borrowed trailer behind a borrowed truck. Skipping that purchase altogether for the moment.

Off to the bank in the morning.

 

[Coyote machine]

Nice get! Sounds like what you need and I can understand the need/want to save $ for a farm, especially with a bzillion things to do on it.
Show us pics, and we'll get you setup with a few extras we know work with these tractors.
BTW, my next door neighbors, friends and renters of my flip property use exclusively the wire and nylon fencing route and move it around periodically on my place to graze their horses, beef steer, and goats.
A small section would be good to try, then expand if you like it. You can go two or three strands, depending on need for height and animals to be contained.
Look at my Igland GR-20 log grapple and mod# 4001 winch for your woods work. Both work well in combination. I use them to fell, drag and burn pile stack/stuff/load onto an existing pile.

BTW, I'd ask them to load the tires before you pick it up, you're going to need the ballast for your work with the bales.

When I got there, I was thinking "the foreman-dude on-line was right."

Done deal.

Picked up the DK45 w/FEL and the 3-prong hay-fork for both the front and rear. The front is definitely a quick-attach system for the implements.

It was not a barn, nor probably even a lean-to, kept tractor. It looks like a nine-year old tractor. However, the hours are stupid-low, engine bay clean, fired up, and I drove it around the lot, played with the joystick for the loader. Felt like a lot of power. Beastly machine.

I gotta throw down 15% for the bank to carry my note, sign some paperwork, and done deal. The bank will wire the money to Noonday.


This machine is on R4's, the ones in between the turf tires and the AG tires.

You input is appreciated, and a new tractor would have been terrific. However, I just could not justify the extra cost of brand-new, with our current budget considerations for the overall farm. I've got a bazillion things to do and too many things to spend money upon.

I'll consider the electric fencing as an option. Maybe I'll try it on a section and see how I like it.

The trailer is now a borrowed trailer behind a borrowed truck. Skipping that purchase altogether for the moment.

Off to the bank in the morning.

 

[econometrics]

Great news! Glad you were able to finally find something you like! How are you getting it back to LA?

I almost bought a 2009 5075E with 380 hours from J&K (Noonday) guys, but went new instead.

They were the ones who bought my 2007 5103 from the local JD dealer you drive by on the way down 155 to J&K's lot. Did you see it on the lot there? I hope she finds a good new home.

Again, really happy for you. Sounds like a good fit!

And hope you enjoy(ed) your time here in Tyler!

 

[foreman Etexas]

Great news! Glad you were able to finally find something you like! How are you getting it back to LA?

I almost bought a 2009 5075E with 380 hours from J&K (Noonday) guys, but went new instead.

They were the ones who bought my 2007 5103 from the local JD dealer you drive by on the way down 155 to J&K's lot. Did you see it on the lot there? I hope she finds a good new home.

Again, really happy for you. Sounds like a good fit!

And hope you enjoy(ed) your time here in Tyler!

My grandmother lives there in Tyler, we have to stop everytime and walk there lot. Been to couple of there auctions also. From what I know, they have some kind of deal with a lot of dealers when they get a trade-in...