Another "What Size" thread by a clueless newbie....

   / Another "What Size" thread by a clueless newbie.... #41  
A couple of observations I didn't see mentioned.

First, I would select the implement sizes and capacities you need to accomplish the most of your work (the 80% rule). My buddies convinced me last year to get a 6' brush hog to cut my 12 acres of former hay field, rather than the 5 footer I thought would do. They told me it would take me a long time to cut it with a five foot unit, and I decidd their arguments held merit. Twenty acres to mow is a lot more. How often do you want to mow it? If every month, you may want a wider unit My Kioti DK45SE is not recommended for more than six feet, nor is the DK50SE (same tractor, more horsepower but not more weight). These tractors are compact tractors, they are not like the same horsepower tractors from thirty years ago which weighed twice as much.

Second is FEL lift capacity. IIRC, the Kioti and Mahindra both are rated at the pivot point. Lifting a bale where the center of gravity is three feet forward of the pivot point reduces the lift capacity quite a bit. As an example, a loader rated at 2368 lbs at the pivot pin can only lift 1742 lbs if the load is centered about 20 inches forward of the pivot point. Three feet forward will reduce it much more. And for any really heavy lift like round bales, you need not only a counterweight on the three point hitch (a heavy one, like 800 lbs) but also filled rear tires, further adding to the weight of the tractor. I estimate the weight of my DK45SE to be about 7500 lbs, with filled tires and 810 lbs of counterweight. For round bales, I would want a lift capacity at the pivot pins at least 2 1/2 times the weight of the bale.

Once you know for sure what size cutter you want, and how heavy your bales are, they will pretty much dictate your tractor needs. Compact tractors are not meant to handle cutters much bigger than six foot models, and are probably marginal for large round bales. I would be looking at utility tractors in the 55 to 70 horsepower range, which should open up the used market for you considerably. There is a lot of value in many older tractors, but you do need someone who is knowledgeable to evaluate each one that you are interested in. You can always hire someone with a roll-off wrecker truck to bring it home for you.

A final note - my dealer tells me that he sends out his rolloff to bring tractors in for repair when they need it, but the owner can't bring it in. I do expect to pay for that service, but I know his rates are reasonable - not what a normal wrecker operator would charge, even though his equipment is larger than most wreckers. The reason he is my dealer is that in comparison to the other dealers in my area with tractors that eventually made my short list, he was ten grand cheaper for an equal configuration.

Please be aware that I am not trying to be a naysayer on a compact tractor in the 40-50 horsepower range, that's what worked for me. I am wanting you to be able to accomplish your tasks in a timely manner, with safety. Good luck with your search.
 
   / Another "What Size" thread by a clueless newbie.... #43  
here you go... :thumbsup::laughing::rolleyes:

M7040D Tractor Model Hydraulic 2oo7 Diesel

okay, just in case you think I am serious... I am not- don't contact them! :thumbdown:

That was actually a good one to illustrate some of the weird stuff they're doing...if you notice, they substitute the letter "O" for zeros in the year....that's often the easiest way to spot them. Lately they seem to add a lot of oddball text to the headline, like %%%***---2oo7 M7040 Tractor---***%%%
 
   / Another "What Size" thread by a clueless newbie.... #44  
Yeah, I see them all of the time. Each page of 100 results, I'd say there are usually 3 or 4 that are like that- mostly in farm&garden. Chicago is pretty bad, Rockford- a smaller metropolitan area west of Chicago has many fewer. Not sure how any of your guys' areas are.
 
   / Another "What Size" thread by a clueless newbie.... #45  
I thought there was a thread for scams on craigslist, anyway another red flag is the only contact is an email address.

If you copy the title, or part of the title, then google it, it will show up all over the country, like this one is even in Austin Texas!
 
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   / Another "What Size" thread by a clueless newbie.... #46  
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Lifting those bales will size your tractor. My 2008 Mahindra 5525 (55 hp engine, 45 hp pto, 2WD, 8F/2R gear tranny partially synchronized, power steering) has the ML250 baler with a 6-ft wide bucket, skid steer quick attach option to switch from the bucket to other compatible implements and has 2950 lb lift capacity at the pins to 10.5 ft height. The tractor with the FEL and loaded rear tires weighs about 7000 lb. Cost new: $19K.

Something this size with a shuttle shift transmission, 4WD (possibly) and a cab (possibly) would work fine for you and would cost in the $30K range new.

Good luck
 
   / Another "What Size" thread by a clueless newbie.... #48  
Oops, make that the ML250 FEL, not baler--early morning brain fog problem:eek:
 
   / Another "What Size" thread by a clueless newbie....
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I would spray for weeds on all the pasture and let the cattle do the mowing. Get what hay need,if thats one cutting good deal,maybe sell your second if a market,then still allow for your hay meadow to grow and turn your cattle into it during winter,,they can eat the tall dead grass,no need to mow,may have to clean it up some the following spring,depending on what type grass your growing. For 15head I would only put out 2 bales at a time,so they are not getting a lot and not eating it down,before gets weathered and a lot of waste. But two keeps the fighting down,but if have them seperated probably just do one to both groups,I don't know how your set up. I don't only feed hay,I put out 20%cubes couple times week and minerals/salt stay all year. I like to un-roll my hay but sometimes don't have the time to feed everyday and ground may be to wet for that but it sure saves on waste.
I know you have the hay to move what you got already but the lift on the 3pt on even a smaller hp unit will move them and loader will lift them,maybe not that good but get you by until all fed and move to the smaller bales. I think the Kubota L4600/mx4700 would do everything, but that's the minimum I would say,if trying to get done with smallest possible. Its not really all about HP but the size and weight of the tractor. Like pulling with the Tahoe you can really load it down and will probably move it or would you like to work in a safer work range and that's why suggest the larger tractors,even up to the 7060 or JD 5075.
I like my 18ft car hauler over a pipe top for these reason. Side loads better,hauling car can open the doors/dove tail so don't high center,over all width makes for a better pull.
Still have not sprayed for weeds nor fertilized my hay-field. I am currently getting twice (2X) the hay I require with one (1) cutting.

I've got to get my fencing around my hay-field completely replaced before I can turn my cattle loose in the hay-field. Although that is a great idea. They could be out there for 3-weeks or more and not get that hay-field eaten down. Right now the fence between me and my neighbor on that side is at least 40-years old, parts of it 60-years old, and none of it touched since at least 1989. It is basically a tangle of barb-wire-mess in a strip of forest. Same with the front fence on the hay-field, and on the other side is RR tracks. Trains coming through all the time.

You can get by very well without a finishing mower. Use your ZTR around the house and for the bigger stuff use your bushhog. A bushhog can make stuff look pretty darn good if you keep the blades in good shape. Take the money you budgeted for the finishing mower and put it on the tractor/loader or a 8 foot bushhog would be my best advice. Just too much trouble taking implements on and off every week. You'll end up mowing with the ZTR and just the bushhog I think.......Look for a M series Kubota used on Craigslist. Check and see if you can find a M5040/M5140 or a M6040. The loaders should do what you want and they are cheaper than the 7040. Mowing a 20 acre pasture with a 6 foot bushhog takes a LONG time. Might want to think about a 8 foot. My Landpride 8 foot mows very nice and clean. I have a SCAG Cheetah ZTR, it and the 8 foot Landpride keeps the farm looking great. If you have cows grazing it you might not need a bushhog at all..........
Noted on sizes and Kubota recommendations.

And BTW that Kubota ZG227 (54" deck) ZTR is insane on its abilities. This week I used it to "appropriate" about 2-3 acres of hay-field and turn it into "lawn" around the buildings. Took a couple passes, but mowed through it with no issues.

Seems like you and most folks are telling me a 7-8 foot bushhog. Mental note made.

Are those with loaders?
I've rescheduled to call back both Kioti and Mahindra on Monday/Tuesday to confirm all numbers.

Got slammed this week. Crazy busy with other farm-stuff.

A couple of observations I didn't see mentioned.

First, I would select the implement sizes and capacities you need to accomplish the most of your work (the 80% rule). My buddies convinced me last year to get a 6' brush hog to cut my 12 acres of former hay field, rather than the 5 footer I thought would do. They told me it would take me a long time to cut it with a five foot unit, and I decidd their arguments held merit. Twenty acres to mow is a lot more. How often do you want to mow it? If every month, you may want a wider unit My Kioti DK45SE is not recommended for more than six feet, nor is the DK50SE (same tractor, more horsepower but not more weight). These tractors are compact tractors, they are not like the same horsepower tractors from thirty years ago which weighed twice as much.

Second is FEL lift capacity. IIRC, the Kioti and Mahindra both are rated at the pivot point. Lifting a bale where the center of gravity is three feet forward of the pivot point reduces the lift capacity quite a bit. As an example, a loader rated at 2368 lbs at the pivot pin can only lift 1742 lbs if the load is centered about 20 inches forward of the pivot point. Three feet forward will reduce it much more. And for any really heavy lift like round bales, you need not only a counterweight on the three point hitch (a heavy one, like 800 lbs) but also filled rear tires, further adding to the weight of the tractor. I estimate the weight of my DK45SE to be about 7500 lbs, with filled tires and 810 lbs of counterweight. For round bales, I would want a lift capacity at the pivot pins at least 2 1/2 times the weight of the bale.

Once you know for sure what size cutter you want, and how heavy your bales are, they will pretty much dictate your tractor needs. Compact tractors are not menat to handle cutters much bigger than six foot models, and are probably marginal for large round bales. I would be looking at utility tractors in the 55 to 70 horsepower range, which should open up the used market for you considerably. There is a lot of value in many loder tractors, but you do need someone who is knowledgeable to evaluate each one that you are interested in. You can always hire somenone with a roll-off wrecker truck to bring it home for you.

A final note - my dealer tells me that he sends out his rolloff to bring tractors in for repair when they need it, but the owner can't bring it in. I do expect to pay for that service, but I know his rates are reasonable - not what a normal wrecker operator would charge, even though his equipment is larger than most wreckers. The reason he is my dealer is that in comparison to the other dealers in my area with tractors that eventually made my short list, he was ten grand cheaper for an equal configuration.

Please be aware that I am not trying to be a naysayer on a compact tractor in the 40-50 horsepower range, that's what worked for me. I am wanting you to be able to accomplish your tasks in a timely manner, with safety. Good luck with your search.
I am very appreciative of all the posts and input in this thread.

You and another member (or two) have mentioned pick-up and delivery of the tractor. For both the purchase and maintenance. While I still think I need a trailer, perhaps I can put-off the trailer purchase for the moment and buy one in another 3-6 months.

You guys are great to so willingly offer expertise in such a friendly manner. And most of my friends around here were not getting into the numbers of "weight-lifting capacity-implement size". Which is what I like to look at. I knew there was a reasonably scientific "way of figuring" exactly how much tractor is required, but could not previously find that information on-line.

Lifting those bales will size your tractor. My 2008 Mahindra 5525 (55 hp engine, 45 hp pto, 2WD, 8F/2R gear tranny partially synchronized, power steering) has the ML250 baler with a 6-ft wide bucket, skid steer quick attach option to switch from the bucket to other compatible implements and has 2950 lb lift capacity at the pins to 10.5 ft height. The tractor with the FEL and loaded rear tires weighs about 7000 lb. Cost new: $19K.

Something this size with a shuttle shift transmission, 4WD (possibly) and a cab (possibly) would work fine for you and would cost in the $30K range new.

Good luck
Gracias.

I'm really, really hoping to find a pre-owned, low-hour, well-maintained tractor that meets my criteria. My cow pastures are still green and growing, so I've got about a month or so to find a very good deal. I can always pick up a tractor on Tractorhouse dot com. In general 40-50 hp tractors that meet all the other criteria laid out in this thread cost around 15-17K. Still a significant savings over the original 23-30K brand-new dealer prices.

I'll definitely keep this thread updated and let you guys know what I end up purchasing.

I might even have a question or two (or ten) after I acquire this tractor. ;)
 
   / Another "What Size" thread by a clueless newbie.... #50  
Can always come to edge of hay field and run temp. electric fence.
 
   / Another "What Size" thread by a clueless newbie.... #51  
Foreman and Bilrus, thanks for the input, I'm gonna reply tomorrow.

I'm beat from driving to the Kioti dealer in Texas. I think it was closer to 70 miles or so. Got back a half hour ago.

I don't think I posted the Mahindra numbers yet, and here's the Kioti numbers as well.

Mahindra 4025: $23,100.00 0% 72 months

Mahindra 3535: $23,150 Uh...I think 0% 72 months. I can double check tomorrow.

Mahindra 4035: $23,500 0% 72 months, $21,700 2.99% 60 months, or $21,700 3.99% 61-84 months.

The 4025 is a sliding-mesh tranny (only), and 3535 is shuttle (only), and I *think* those number for the 4035 are for shuttle. I can double-check tomorrow, and ask what the 4035HST costs.

Mahindra required 10% down.

Kioti numbers from my local dealer.

Kioti DK40SE: $22,040

Kioti DK40SE HST(C): $23,545

Kioti DK45SE: $23,995

Kioti DK45SE HST(C): $24,540

All at 3.45% over 72 months.

If that DK45 HST Cab comes with a loader, I'd be all over it for that price.
 
   / Another "What Size" thread by a clueless newbie.... #52  
A good size trailer for tractor totin would be a 10/12k GVW with a 20 foot deck.
Forget the Tahoe for a tow rig,they rate those under perfect conditons using load leveling hitches, sway bars etc, it would do alright with a camp trailer that was setup right.

A 10k GVW trailer will reliably haul a 8000 pound tractor if the trailer weighs 2000 pounds, or a 7500 pound tractor if the trailer weighs 2500lbs, lots of folks think you can put 7k on a 7k GVW trailer..thats not how it works.

Unless your like my neighbor that thinks if it fits on it it will haul it:rolleyes:
 
   / Another "What Size" thread by a clueless newbie....
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#53  
Been searching on Craigslist like a fool. Twice a day. Everything within a state or two of me.

Keeping in mind "40+ hp, 3,500-4,500 pounds" and all my other criteria as defined by this thread. :)

I have another 2-4 weeks to purchase an appropriate tractor.

Here's the only thing that currently looks like a good deal to me.

New Holland Loader Tractor Attachments 4WD

new holland 55 horse.jpg

"2005 55HP 4WD 12-12 Trans Quick Attach Loader Bobcat Style Bucket. Front And Rear Scvs.Turf Tires. Comes With Used Rhino 172 Brush Hog New 5' Root Grapple 6' Used Box Blade Regular Bucket Tractor Has 1464 Hours."

I looked it up, I *am pretty sure* it is a TC55 (?).

Tractorhouse has them as below:

http://www.tractorhouse.com/list/list.aspx?Manu=NEW+HOLLAND&MDLGrp=TC55

Looking at that (relatively short) list of TC55 tractors on Tractorhouse (age + hours + price) this TC55 in the ad *seems like* it is worth checking out.

Also, would those turf-tires suck in my pastures? Are "ag" tractor tires expensive? I would imagine changing out the tires would cost me a pretty penny?

Thanks for any input or advice, I could drive down to Lake Charles in the next couple of days.
 
   / Another "What Size" thread by a clueless newbie.... #54  
I'm not positive on the cost of putting R1's on, but be aware that you will need new rims as well. I would call a local dealership and just get them to give you some kind of ballpark quote.

I think that's a pretty good price for that tractor, and most notably - all that equipment. I'm not familiar with NH stuff, but those are some nice attachments!
 
   / Another "What Size" thread by a clueless newbie.... #55  
NH is a good brand. The turf tires might be an issue but you won't know until you try them. If you are just mowing it shouldn't be an issue at all with 4wd. If you are plowing or doing lots of ground engaging work then you might need to change them. I haven't priced tires but I believe you'd end up spending well over a grand for four new Ag or R4s. Still, that looks like a pretty good package (good grapple, mower and standard box blade). It is not exactly a low hour engine but if well maintained then 1500 hrs is no big deal. I would imagine the same set up new would be close to 30K so half price seems fair.
 
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#56  
Just checked the Shreveport New Holland dealer.

$1,000 per pair, rear wheels only, for R4 wheels. No tires. No fronts.

$1,400 per pair, rear wheels only, for AG wheels. No tires. No fronts.

Then gave the name of two reasonably close tractor salvage yards.

Broken Tractor and Gulf South Sales in Baton Rouge.

No used rims/tires at either place.

****. Adding in the cost of AG/R4 wheels/tires kind of shoots down that TC55 as a good deal in my mind. Puts it into the "OK deal" category.

Thank you Econometrics. I never would have guessed you needed completely different wheels to go with those tires.

That's why I asked. That would have been a costly mistake based upon my ignorance.

Gracias!

Back to searching....
 
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#57  
NH is a good brand. The turf tires might be an issue but you won't know until you try them. If you are just mowing it shouldn't be an issue at all with 4wd. If you are plowing or doing lots of ground engaging work then you might need to change them. I haven't priced tires but I believe you'd end up spending well over a grand for four new Ag or R4s. Still, that looks like a pretty good package (good grapple, mower and standard box blade). It is not exactly a low hour engine but if well maintained then 1500 hrs is no big deal. I would imagine the same set up new would be close to 30K so half price seems fair.
Mowing, stump removal, 1200-pound hay bales to be moved, quite a bit of dirt to move around (currently need about twenty, 14 yard dump trucks worth), tending burn piles, auger for massive amounts of fencing and a corral, grading my driveway, smoothing out the "hump" of dirt formed where old fence-and-tree-lines used to be, clearing forest and heavy underbrush, etc...etc...

Add in 3K worth of tractor wheels and AG/R4 tires and the "deal" does not seem as juicy.

Really, really want a pre-owned tractor w/loader, meeting all my requirements, for 15K or less.

It's do-able. If this NH had AG/R4's, I'd be heading down there tomorrow or Saturday.

Missed a Kioti w/loader and bushhog, a month or so ago, 11.5K. Sweet deal, it went quick.

I'll keep looking.

Appreciate the help gentlemen.

I'll probably be asking for more input as I see "deals" that look good to this newbie.

Sure appreciate the expertise. I don't want to screw up this purchase.
 
   / Another "What Size" thread by a clueless newbie.... #58  
Foreman and Bilrus, thanks for the input, I'm gonna reply tomorrow.

I'm beat from driving to the Kioti dealer in Texas. I think it was closer to 70 miles or so. Got back a half hour ago.

I don't think I posted the Mahindra numbers yet, and here's the Kioti numbers as well.

Mahindra 4025: $23,100.00 0% 72 months

Mahindra 3535: $23,150 Uh...I think 0% 72 months. I can double check tomorrow.

Mahindra 4035: $23,500 0% 72 months, $21,700 2.99% 60 months, or $21,700 3.99% 61-84 months.

The 4025 is a sliding-mesh tranny (only), and 3535 is shuttle (only), and I *think* those number for the 4035 are for shuttle. I can double-check tomorrow, and ask what the 4035HST costs.

Mahindra required 10% down.

Kioti numbers from my local dealer.

Kioti DK40SE: $22,040

Kioti DK40SE HST(C): $23,545

Kioti DK45SE: $23,995

Kioti DK45SE HST(C): $24,540

All at 3.45% over 72 months.

I'll agree with what was already said. .. If you can get a DK45SE HST cab for $24,540 ... that is a helluva deal! I'd be tempted at that myself. That's a good tractor.
 
   / Another "What Size" thread by a clueless newbie.... #59  
Mowing, stump removal, 1200-pound hay bales to be moved, quite a bit of dirt to move around (currently need about twenty, 14 yard dump trucks worth), tending burn piles, auger for massive amounts of fencing and a corral, grading my driveway, smoothing out the "hump" of dirt formed where old fence-and-tree-lines used to be, clearing forest and heavy underbrush, etc...etc...

Add in 3K worth of tractor wheels and AG/R4 tires and the "deal" does not seem as juicy.

Really, really want a pre-owned tractor w/loader, meeting all my requirements, for 15K or less.

It's do-able. If this NH had AG/R4's, I'd be heading down there tomorrow or Saturday.

Missed a Kioti w/loader and bushhog, a month or so ago, 11.5K. Sweet deal, it went quick.

I'll keep looking.

Appreciate the help gentlemen.

I'll probably be asking for more input as I see "deals" that look good to this newbie.

Sure appreciate the expertise. I don't want to screw up this purchase.

You aren't plowing or into crop cultivation or doing major ground engaging work. Sounds like you are mostly planning FEL work and other tasks that turf tires would be fine for. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss this tractor. I would imagine the tires would likely be no issue at all especially as you have 4wd. The flip side of the turf tire issue is that it tells you the tractor was probably pretty lightly used mostly for mowing. Not a bad thing. Consider too that the implements are all pretty nice and would cost you well over $3K. Seems they would be needed for the tasks you outlined too.
 
   / Another "What Size" thread by a clueless newbie....
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I'll agree with what was already said. .. If you can get a DK45SE HST cab for $24,540 ... that is a helluva deal! I'd be tempted at that myself. That's a good tractor.
Definitely no cab on that deal.

Agreed on it being a good tractor that would meet my needs.

Right off the top of my head, I do know there is a DK45SE with cab for $14,500 reasonably nearby me. Turf tires.

Boom.

2006 Kioti DK45S 4x4 Compact Tractor

However, no FEL, no implements.
 

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