Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Gee Ray]

After the government forces us into the EVs where do all the batteries come from? Who controls the raw materials for the batteries? How much will the batteries cost?

The cost of an EV now is out of this world for many people. When those few countries that can supply batteries will become the new OPEC and they will hold the world hostage for more money. The demand for solar panels will increase as well as the cost of the panels goes up. This will hurt the working class very hard.

I see nothing good coming from one power source. Forcing all the people into an EV world is not the fix it is just a changing of the problem.

 

[Hay Dude]

GM hasnt been an intelligently run organization in the last few decades and has been bailed out by the government, so what they say/do is of little concern to me.
I have no direct oil stocks, there may be a few in some mutual funds I own.
You bring up another topic though. When oil goes away, or gets reduced 50%, what happens to all the Americans who own retirement funds invested in oil? Or Mutual funds?
Do they just retire with less money? And pay more for food, electricity and anything requiring trucking?
Sounds like a win, lose, lose, lose.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Never gonna happen

My father who finished the fifth grade one day told me when I used the word NEVER that son never is a mighty long time.

 

[Hay Dude]

My father who finished the fifth grade one day told me when I used the word NEVER that son never is a mighty long time.

Yeah, but we all know what Roy Jackson said is true.
Those running the world won’t cross the Atlantic in a sailboat, peddle from Georgetown to Congress on a bicycle, or fly to the environmental conferences in coach class

In other words “do as I say, not as I do”.

We should take an approach where all of us get a pice of the pie and nobody gets ruined.

 

[oosik]

Have we all seen the new GMC pickup ads. Self driving pickups. Now we can go down the road - slap our thighs and clap hands to rousing music. No hands on the steering wheel.

Just what this world needs .................. along with EV's.

 

[Gee Ray]

The solution for the time being should be based on what can be done now. A hybrid makes the most effective solution for the technology that can come off the shelf today. An ICE setup to run at peak efficiency to power a generator or alternator and a small exchangeable battery pack (common design) to store the surplus power. As the electric motors move you down the road.

No, this is not perfect. But it could be done today. No need to wait on better batteries. No need for a new power grid. Does allow minimum air pollution and extended driving range. Hybrids could be used in every type of vehicle from small cars to heavy haul trucks.

This design was used back in the 1960's to run heavy haul trucks in the coal mines. Except they did not try to capture the extra electric energy. My dad was a super in the repair shop for such trucks.

 

[PuffyC]

$6 gas?

I was in LA a few weeks ago and regularly saw gas over $5 a gallon. You’d think people would be up in arms at paying twice what some other Americans pay but I talked to one person who thought it was great. They also thought it was great that their taxes were so high because they got so much benefit from it. We talked for a couple hours and the rest was just as surreal.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

EVs will come and go. It's the process that excites me.

EVs will go the same way as the ICEV is today. I am not the source of change nor can I stop change so as i age I try to learn to roll with things as they evolve.

 

[Agvg]

EV works just fine and now it's become the first choice for buyers, most people move them selves in a relative small area.
Winter was one of the things EV surly would not handle, no problem, all the arguments against them was not really a problem for most buyers her I live.

 

[airbiscuit]

EVs are a disruptive technology. Does anyone really believe that this is a fad that is not going to happen? Those who are resistant to change are just pushing against a glacier.

Again, I don't plan to rush out and buy an EV. I expect that my kids will be driving an EV within 5 years.

To paraphrase a saying, "Change Happens"

 

[RoyJackson]

EVs are a disruptive technology. Does anyone really believe that this is a fad that is not going to happen? Those who are resistant to change are just pushing against a glacier.

Again, I don't plan to rush out and buy an EV. I expect that my kids will be driving an EV within 5 years.

To paraphrase a saying, "Change Happens"

My opinion is, once EV prices come down, and there are adequate charging station AND quick charging is feasible, they'll be quite popular.
The prices of the vehicles is still too high and the infrastructure isn't there...yet

 

[cqaigy2]

My opinion is, once EV prices come down, and there are adequate charging station AND quick charging is feasible, they'll be quite popular.
The prices of the vehicles is still too high and the infrastructure isn't there...yet

I'd probably look at getting one if all those things happened. I'd probably look at supplementing charging at home with off grid charging, kinda of a hobby thing. Was looking at charging stations between Olympia and Kenniwick, it was pretty slim pickings, and i got range anxiety and i don't even own an EV. In general, pretty slim in the west, but if planned well, doable.

A buddy of mine routinely drives from Chehalis WA to Arizona in a VW EV to visit family. I don't recall how many times he stops for sure, but 4 comes to mind. He said it's actually much more pleasant way to travel, taking breaks and such, then when they'd drive straight thru with 15-30 minute gas stops.

 

[RoyJackson]

A buddy of mine routinely drives from Chehalis WA to Arizona in a VW EV to visit family. I don't recall how many times he stops for sure, but 4 comes to mind. He said it's actually much more pleasant way to travel, taking breaks and such, then when they'd drive straight thru with 15-30 minute gas stops.

No problems charging his vehicle? I'd guess he'd have to charge it at least 2 or 3 times during the driive

 

[Gale Hawkins]

I'd probably look at getting one if all those things happened. I'd probably look at supplementing charging at home with off grid charging, kinda of a hobby thing. Was looking at charging stations between Olympia and Kenniwick, it was pretty slim pickings, and i got range anxiety and i don't even own an EV. In general, pretty slim in the west, but if planned well, doable.

A buddy of mine routinely drives from Chehalis WA to Arizona in a VW EV to visit family. I don't recall how many times he stops for sure, but 4 comes to mind. He said it's actually much more pleasant way to travel, taking breaks and such, then when they'd drive straight thru with 15-30 minute gas stops.

While most EV charging is done overnight at home without thought as you noted EV charging for cross country trips is in place. Tesla computes your charging points for you.

Telsa opening up their chargers to other EV brands is helpful for all and is good for Telsa' stock price.

Good used home solar setups for EV hobby charging is really dropping the cost. The thought of gassing up with sunshine is so satisfying.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/...is-almost-sold-out-in-record-time-175524.html

Hay Maker how about this EV for keeping an eye on your hay fields?

 

[RoyJackson]

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/...is-almost-sold-out-in-record-time-175524.html

I need one of those!!!

 

[California]

Scrap lumber recycled! This is the inner side of the outhouse wall, out behind the barn.

 

[California]

I doubt you guys saying 'this will never work' would want to go back to dial phones and Yellow Pages, plus newspaper ads, as the sole only way to find and compare anything you want to buy locally. Or else a trip to look for something in town, and visiting several stores to find it? It wasn't that long ago. Remember when Harbor Freight advertised by a mailed, mimeographed inventory list?

The anti-trust suit that ended ATT's monopoly made it legal to put a modem on a phone line, and Al Gore's foresight in pushing funding through Congress (Not technical invention!) got the ball rolling for the internet so essential today. Nobody born this millennia can imagine how limited we were back then to get information on anything. Progress is good.

As Airbiscuit said above, Change Happens.

Wage stagnation while the 1% rake in all the profits of increased productivity is a political issue - not a natural consequence of progress.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

Yep, remember Al Gore and his BS from a few years back? He made a lot of money off global warming...
Rahm Emanuel (one of the Clinton cronies) said it best..."never let a good crisis go to waste".
Those "powerful people" better be willing to make the first sacrifice...for example, get rid of their private aircraft and limousines. Fly public airlines and public transportation. In other words, put your money where your mouth is...

There's no doubt Gore was 20 years ahead of his time. Yes, there is a huge pile of money to be made dumping fossil fuels, and vast fortunes to be lost by sticking to buggy whip gurgle stations.

 

[RoyJackson]

There's no doubt Gore was 20 years ahead of his time. Yes, there is a huge pile of money to be made dumping fossil fuels, and vast fortunes to be lost by sticking to buggy whip gurgle stations.

Gore made his money using scare tactics...but still flying in his private jet
Quite the hypocrite, in my simple mind